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Originally Posted by RedThat
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Okay how are they different? Glucose serves as an immediate energy source and glycogen serves as a reserve energy source. One is front line, the other is a backup. Thats the only difference I can see. It's just a matter of the roles they play.
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One is storage form, one is not. Why are we talking about this? They're different parts of the same system, but they are different. There are different kinds of glycogen and different kinds of glucose. This is completely irrelevant.
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So with that being said, how can one expect it to be high the next day? Sorry brother, you are wrong.
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Your body has plenty of time to digest the food you eat and convert it to glucose. Fats and proteins are both converted to glucose via gluconeogenesis. This is the same kind of glucose you get from carbs, and thus, may be used to replenish glycogen stores. It comes from the glycerol in fatty acids and from the amino acids in proteins. It's a slow process, but overnight is long enough to get them replenished. Now, if you were going to exercise again that day, you'd want carbs to replenish the stores because it's faster. But for doing exercise many hours away (like 24), you don't HAVE to have carbs.
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I understand muscles store glycogen but it doesn't come from fats. Fats DO NOT produce glycogen.
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Not directly, no, but the capability for the body to replenish glycogen stores from fat exists via gluconeogenesis.
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*snip*Ketones are the breakdown of fatty acids and are used purposely as a secondary source of energy once the body is low on both glucose and glycogen, and are, I REPEAT, NOT USED TO PRODUCE GLYCOGEN!*snip*
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Never said they were /shrug
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This is why I believe Glycogen, glucose can act as an obstacle for one who wishes to get nice and lean, ripped!
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Without these things, you would be DEAD. Although, you are certainly nice and lean and ripped when you're rotting in the ground, I suppose.
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I can see this as truth because bodybuilders do this all the time. They don't eat carbs for weeks before a contest, and right before the contest they load up on carbs so they give their muscles a chance to restore/refill them with glycogen.
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Most of that is water pumping up the muscles. When you go on a low-carb diet for a while, and then eat a bunch of carbs after that, you carbo-load. That's been scientifically shown to stuff more glycogen into muscle cells than a consistent, normal diet would. And since the body does that, the muscles pump up with fluid as the glycogen bonds with water.
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Lol...Again, you are wrong. Sorry I refuse to acknowledge what you are saying.
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If the second part of what you say is true, then why are we even having a discussion? If you refuse to acknowledge what I say, then what's the point?
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Your assertion is true only in the case scenario of a low carb diet. Otherwise, it is false. Do they mention that in any of the articles you read? It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't.
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No, it's not! Read the study. The diets were NOT low-carb.
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Blah, blah...sorry no offense but I don't agree with this. I believe they have the power to publicize sh*tty information that can mislead and deceive the people. Don't believe everything you read.
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Read the study. The methodology is all right there, laid out plain as day. If you don't believe science, that's not the fault of the study.
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There is increased fat utilization in a fasted state. You know why? Because your body has LESS nutrients to work with. Think about it? Screw some of these scientific articles you've read, that I can see your mind is so fixated on, lets rely on some common sense. Please. This is not rocket science nor should it be complicated. Your body consumes a lot of nutrients the day before at night when you rested. In the morning, fasted, it's on empty! It has no fuel. So when you workout, your body is pretty much running on "empty". What do you think it's gonna do? It has to look for other ways to fuel itself, so it's going to break down bodyfat and use that as energy source to compliment and meet the physical demands of activity. Remember, exercise creates a demand for nutrients, and if your body is not getting any from food, it'll look for other ways to fuel itself. Ketones can come from either the fats in your diet or from your bodyfat.
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What is your body doing at night while you rest? Why would it consume these nutrients? To rebuild and refuel the body so that it is ready to go the next day.
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Why would they say have breakfast in the morning? It's the most important meal of the day. Because you replentish that emptiness, and deprivation of nutrients right away first thing in the morning. And you also kick start your metabolism right away. But, by having breakfast first thing in the morning, you give your body other ways to fuel itself w/ energy. Suppose you workout an hour after breakfast, all your body is going to do is use up those very nutrients that you supplied it w/ from breakfast to fuel you during your workout. It'll use that first, and then look for other ways to fuel itself.
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No one is arguing this. But you again are not looking at the 24-hour energy balance. By keeping the total calories the same, your body will use whatever it needs to for energy.
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Yes I know that. That is basic stuff to me. Im at a more complex stage right now. Im discussing about other ways to increase fat utilization. Im focusing on how the body burns fat more efficiently.
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You acknowledge my scenario is true, while simultaneously saying that I'm wrong? I don't get it.
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That's nice and all. Thank you. But, Im going to go with experience, and what I believe, feel and see as truth.
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Let's not confuse belief with facts.
The "I just got back from the gym" and this is what I have eaten thread.
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=218990)