He's been trolling the board for months now. Not just this thread.

OU remains way better than KU this year regardless of a road loss. I'm sorry that it hurts you to admit that, I'd love for it to be different.

I guess they'll eventually prove it if that's the case, since they haven't so far this season in terms of actual results.


And as I've said before, I do think OU is legit and think they're probably better than Kansas, but unless/until OU makes it to the FF and Kansas loses in the first weekend, there isn't much point in carrying on the conversation game by game.

Mason was certainly better last year than Ellis and the first two months of this season. The fact that a guy who doesn't defend at all became our best player in January, though, is kind of the issue with this team.

The statistical rating systems of BPI (2nd to 17th), KenPom (5th to 10th), Sagarin (3rd to 9th), and Massey (2nd to 10th) would seem to beg to differ on that point.

I'm not the one doing it. I resigned myself months ago to the fact OU was the better team, even before KU's awful January. If KU can somehow win the Big 12 regardless, then great. It's just unlikely.

Kenpom has Kansas at -0.0174, 10 spots worse on offense and 11 spots better on defense.... Sagarin is at -.63, with actual results against top 25 and top 100 being very close. Neither suggest OU is far and away the better team. And of course none of them are all that decisive anyway (except probably a few years ago when even the computers had to know Kentucky would win it all).

That's a fairly significant margin, one I certainly wouldn't expect KU to make up in a month with the way they've played all season.


Closer, but they still reflect OU being the better team.

The other two systems I cited suggest it fairly decisively (especially BPI where OU is 2nd and KU is 17th). If you're going to argue that OU isn't a better team than KU right now, you're simply arguing against the stats.

Doesn't BPI suck? Don't think I've ever heard a good thing about it (regardless of the current point, obviously).

It's the first time I've seen "right now" in your argument, beyond repeatedly saying Kansas has been terrible in the past month... and like I've said multiple times, I'm not really even arguing the point beyond the "way better," since that doesn't really exist inside of the top 10 of CBB.

No? If anything it might be considered more accurate than some of the others because it accounts for the absence of key players.

If we weren't talking about what the two teams are "right now," I'm not sure what we've be talking about. The whole "way better" thing is pretty semantical, but I find it hard to argue based on the stats that the two teams are all that close at the moment.

Huh... guess I'll take your word for it. I personally like looking at kenpom and Sagarin, but they're all just estimates that are subject to tweaking season by season to hopefully make them a little more accurate.

Yeah, semantics, I guess... tied in conference, .5 a game overall, a handful of spots in various rankings. As I said before, give KU some toughness or a Withey/(healthy) Embiid type big or somehow equalize Heald and 'way better' becomes even pretty quickly. And as I've said multiple times, I'm not even arguing OU is better. :shrug:

Bwahahaha. Keep diggin

Isn't it cute when the poor man's Prison Bitch tries to troll? LMAO

I busted your ass. Deal with it like a man.

I'd ban all the trolls from the thread, but then no one would have anything to talk about/make fun of, so the thread would go silent.

Here's an explanation of BPI from Dean Oliver with comparisons to both KenPom and Sagarin: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...ndex-explained


Yeah, if KU had a Withey with this group, they'd be the top team in the country. The team would still be softer than we've become accustomed to in the Self era, but the effect of that would be much less with an elite rim protector (and think how good a fit Perry would be with him). As it stands, though, the team is pretty flawed. Again we head into March stuck with a no-offense big like Lucas/Traylor getting significant minutes. And Frank Mason (who was either the best or 2nd best player over the last two years depending on whether you're willing to ignore Perry Ellis' defense) has fallen off a cliff over the last month for whatever reason. It's hard to be too positive going forward considering that.