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RippedmyFlesh 12-19-2008 11:16 AM
[quote=kcbubb;5310786]
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5310742)

Herm's job entering the nfl was a scout. He evaluated talent. He had input in the draft. The fact that we have Carr, Leggette, Flowers, and Albert is a credit to him. He wasn't the only one involved, but he still deserves some credit.

Talent or draft position does not insure success. Look at Vernon Gholston. Is he talented? Yes. Has been successful yet? No. Herm deserves credit for developing talented players.

Herm has supported Gailey in designing an offense that suits Thigpen. Most NFL QB's could not be productive behind that offensive line.

And to answer your question about Charles, Charles has shown that he has the ability to play in this league. He has shown that he can make big plays. He can catch the ball and be a change of pace back for LJ.

What did Greg Hill show when he was drafted? He was a high draft pick. Using your line of thinking, he was talented, he should have been successful.

Going into almost every game the opposing roster is more talented and more experienced. You have unrealistic expectations. The same unrealistic expectations held by most people on this board. Very rarely can you take free agents off the street and start them in the NFL and expect to win. Do you know how many players the Chiefs have on their roster like that?

Did we get good players from the last draft? Yes but i say just off the top of my head had any of the following teams had the same picks their results based on their history
would have been just as good as ours.

new england
pittsburgh
ny giants
tenn
denver
sd
tamps bay
carolina
green bay
dallas
Thats just off the top of my head I am prob leaving someone out...

The Bad Guy 12-19-2008 11:36 AM
[quote=kcbubb;5310786]
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5310742)

Herm's job entering the nfl was a scout. He evaluated talent. He had input in the draft. The fact that we have Carr, Leggette, Flowers, and Albert is a credit to him. He wasn't the only one involved, but he still deserves some credit.

Talent or draft position does not insure success. Look at Vernon Gholston. Is he talented? Yes. Has been successful yet? No. Herm deserves credit for developing talented players.

Herm has supported Gailey in designing an offense that suits Thigpen. Most NFL QB's could not be productive behind that offensive line.

And to answer your question about Charles, Charles has shown that he has the ability to play in this league. He has shown that he can make big plays. He can catch the ball and be a change of pace back for LJ.

What did Greg Hill show when he was drafted? He was a high draft pick. Using your line of thinking, he was talented, he should have been successful.

Going into almost every game the opposing roster is more talented and more experienced. You have unrealistic expectations. The same unrealistic expectations held by most people on this board. Very rarely can you take free agents off the street and start them in the NFL and expect to win. Do you know how many players the Chiefs have on their roster like that?
You love mediocrity. I may have unrealistic expectations, but I want to win, not suck off the head coach of a 2-12 team.

If you are satisfied with this team with Herm, please shoot yourself.

The Bad Guy 12-19-2008 11:37 AM
[quote=RippedmyFlesh;5310828]
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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5310786)


Did we get good players from the last draft? Yes but i say just off the top of my head had any of the following teams had the same picks their results based on their history
would have been just as good as ours.

new england
pittsburgh
ny giants
tenn
denver
sd
tamps bay
carolina
green bay
dallas
Thats just off the top of my head I am prob leaving someone out...
I did not say this above. This bubb idiot did. Please don't confuse me with him.

Thank you.

gblowfish 12-19-2008 11:42 AM
GM: Jim Schaaf
Coach: John Mackovic.

Or, sorry.
Thought it was 1985 again.

Otter 12-19-2008 11:44 AM
I don't understand how after watching Herm for three seasons someone can honestly say to themselves "this is the guy I want managing the game in a Super Bowl".

BigChiefFan 12-19-2008 11:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5310888)
I don't understand how after watching Herm for three seasons someone can honestly say to themselves "this is the guy I want managing the game in a Super Bowl".
Denial is the only logical explanation.

King_Chief_Fan 12-19-2008 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5310723)
Your last point is finally something I can agree with. He is a mediocre coach. Not the horrible one people present him to be.
I disagree. He is a horrible coach. He isn't coaching these players up. He can't make adustments and he can't anticipate what adjustments his opposition might make. He has a record over the last two years of 6-26. These numbers do count. Many a coach gets fired for that. Would you say Norv is a horrible coach..?...me too. I see no difference between the two. The most recent SD debacle is the most glaring example of a horrible coach getting out coached by a horrible coach.

Herm will not be missed by anyone except those who love to lose.

The Bad Guy 12-19-2008 11:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5310888)
I don't understand how after watching Herm for three seasons someone can honestly say to themselves "this is the guy I want managing the game in a Super Bowl".
The piece of shit doesn't even watch the Super Bowl. What competitive NFL head coach doesn't watch the biggest game in their sport?

chiefzilla1501 12-19-2008 01:14 PM
There's an ENORMOUS difference. Norv Turner was given a roster full of pro bowlers in the prime of their careers. He has a first round QB, an MVP running back, a decent offensive line, and a defense that ranked in the top 5 for years without losing many players to injury, age, or free agency. Herm Edwards has had to deal almost exclusively with lower round draft picks and undrafted rookies. There's a difference between coaching up a first round player like Philip Rivers and a 6th round QB like Tyler Thigpen.

The claim that Turner and Herm have similar situations couldn't be more wrong.

I agree that a lot of players aren't being coached up. But I also believe that he has had a far greater challenge coaching guys up than any coach in the NFL. No coach has been asked to do more with as little as Herm has.

So yeah, the big difference between the two is that Norv is making chicken shit out of chicken salad, while Herm is making chicken shit out of chicken shit.

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan (Post 5310902)
I disagree. He is a horrible coach. He isn't coaching these players up. He can't make adustments and he can't anticipate what adjustments his opposition might make. He has a record over the last two years of 6-26. These numbers do count. Many a coach gets fired for that. Would you say Norv is a horrible coach..?...me too. I see no difference between the two. The most recent SD debacle is the most glaring example of a horrible coach getting out coached by a horrible coach.

Herm will not be missed by anyone except those who love to lose.

OnTheWarpath15 12-19-2008 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5310723)
Your last point is finally something I can agree with. He is a mediocre coach. Not the horrible one people present him to be.
Hold the **** on.

Mediocre?

Did you just call Herm Edwards mediocre?

I'd LOVE to know you're definition of the word mediocre.

Here's mine:

: of moderate quality, value, ability, or performance : ordinary, so-so

I challenge to you find a person on this board, other than yourself, that thinks that a 54-72 record is ANYTHING resembling mediocre - so we can all point and laugh at them.

Herm is SO BAD, that a PERFECT regular season in 2009 STILL leaves him one game below .500.

There is nothing you can say to make a 54-72 record over 8 years acceptable as mediocre...

BigChiefFan 12-19-2008 01:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5311261)
Hold the **** on.

Mediocre?

Did you just call Herm Edwards mediocre?

I'd LOVE to know you're definition of the word mediocre.

Here's mine:

: of moderate quality, value, ability, or performance : ordinary, so-so

I challenge to you find a person on this board, other than yourself, that thinks that a 54-72 record is ANYTHING resembling mediocre - so we can all point and laugh at them.

Herm is SO BAD, that a PERFECT regular season in 2009 STILL leaves him one game below .500.

There is nothing you can say to make a 54-72 record over 8 years acceptable as mediocre...
Even then, we aren't striving to be mediocre, which the Herm backers don't seem to comprehend.

FringeNC 12-19-2008 02:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 5310934)
The piece of shit doesn't even watch the Super Bowl. What competitive NFL head coach doesn't watch the biggest game in their sport?
And another odd thing about Herm: losses don't seem to bother the guy. Vermeil, Schottenheimer, and even Gun were visibly undone by losses. With Herm, not so much. And another thing: the night before the playoff loss with Indy, Herm was out eating dinner with Dungy and his wife. Herm just likes the idea of being part of the NFL fraternity of head coaches. I really don't think he is driven to win at all cost like just about every other head coach.

Titty Meat 10-14-2012 08:26 PM
Can we bump this since Pioli/Crennel should be fired?

Curious to see if the choices from 4 years ago will still be the same. DeCosta seems to be everyones #1 choice of GM.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-14-2012 08:29 PM
Hooray for lackeys!!!

chiefzilla1501 10-14-2012 08:31 PM
Glad to see some vindication. Took some major abuse for saying Herm did some good things on the personnel side.


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