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kcbubb 04-09-2009 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5654578)
In the top 3.

Why would you take a QB over a LT for trade value when most people have Monroe having more value than Sanchez?

Mecca 04-09-2009 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare (Post 5654663)
OOOh shit!!!!!!! Schlereth and Darren Woodson said Aaron Curry isn't worthy of a top 5 or even top 10 consideration because of his skill set

I will watch this be quickly ignored.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-09-2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5654645)
In both Pendergast and Gibbs system they rush 5 about 30% of the time or less. If Curry is the OLB opposite Vrabel, he will probably used in coverage the majority of the time. He's not going to be rushing every play.

Which makes him less worthy, genious.

'Hamas' Jenkins 04-09-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5654670)
Why would you take a QB over a LT for trade value when most people have Monroe having more value than Sanchez?

Because even if he becomes the best LT in the league, he's not worth as much as a top 10 QB.

philfree 04-09-2009 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5654672)
I will watch this be quickly ignored.

They're doing the same thing alot of people are doing and ignoring the talent in this draft.


PhilFree:arrow:

kcbubb 04-09-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by HAMAS
Because even if he becomes the best LT in the league, he's not worth as much as a top 10 QB.

So you aren't talking about drafting the QB and trading him later in the draft??? you are talking about drafting him and letting him sit the bench and then trading him or Cassel???

Tribal Warfare 04-09-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5654715)
They're doing the same thing alot of people are doing and ignoring the talent in this draft.


PhilFree:arrow:

What? This is what Schlereth said and I'll paraphrase " They list Curry as the "safe" pick, but to be a top 5 pick he needs to be dangerous and rushing the passer, if he isn't a pass rusher he's not worthy of a top 5 or even top 10 pick"

htismaqe 04-09-2009 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5654636)
LOL Well at one point you were willing to take Curry at #3 even if you didn't like it which in turn means that you were willing to break the forever burnt into stone draft rule about not taking a non pass rushing LB in the toop five. Well until you changed your mind. Got it!

PhilFree:arrow:

Sorry, but that's just how bad this draft sucks.

The only reason I'm even in this position is because people always want to limit the discussion to if we HAVE to pick at #3 and I'm firmly on record as wanting to trade down.

htismaqe 04-09-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 5654715)
They're doing the same thing alot of people are doing and ignoring the talent in this draft.


PhilFree:arrow:

You can speak for anybody but me.

I'm not in ANY WAY ignoring Curry's talent. I'm just acknowledging the fact that NFL teams don't value that talent the same way alot of people here do.

kcbubb 04-09-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb
In both Pendergast and Gibbs system they rush 5 about 30% of the time or less. If Curry is the OLB opposite Vrabel, he will probably used in coverage the majority of the time. He's not going to be rushing every play.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5654701)
Which makes him less worthy, genious.

I disagree. I think he would excel opposite of Vrabel, rushing only a limited amount of the time. First off, it would help Vrabel, who we know is more of a liability in coverage than Curry. He could also transition into the position instead of switching all at once. Learning from Vrabel would only help Curry. I think the position also fits Curry's strenths with his pass coverage ability and speed to make plays if the ball goes to the opposite side of the field. That also gives the Chiefs the potential upside of Curry transitioning to more of a rushing OLB.

Mecca 04-09-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5654793)
You can speak for anybody but me.

I'm not in ANY WAY ignoring Curry's talent. I'm just acknowledging the fact that NFL teams don't value that talent the same way alot of people here do.

And they don't for this reason right here...

The Seahawks had 3 pro bowl level LB's last year...they won 4 games, that's how valuable non rushing LB's are.

Tribal Warfare 04-09-2009 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5654801)
He could also transition into the position instead of switching all at once. Learning from Vrabel would only help Curry.


If you want to do that just draft Barwin he has more potential than Curry when pass rushing is concerned.

htismaqe 04-09-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb (Post 5654801)
I disagree. I think he would excel opposite of Vrabel, rushing only a limited amount of the time. First off, it would help Vrabel, who we know is more of a liability in coverage than Curry. He could also transition into the position instead of switching all at once. Learning from Vrabel would only help Curry. I think the position also fits Curry's strenths with his pass coverage ability and speed to make plays if the ball goes to the opposite side of the field. That also gives the Chiefs the potential upside of Curry transitioning to more of a rushing OLB.

And he still wouldn't be worthy of the #3 overall pick.

Chiefnj2 04-09-2009 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5654565)
Drafting Curry top 5 to play OLB in a 3-4 would be like drafting a safety to play CB.

Teams usually can't convert S to CBs because of speed issues and turning ability. What physical attributes does Curry lack that would prevent him from being an OLB in a 3-4?

philfree 04-09-2009 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5654804)
And they don't for this reason right here...

The Seahawks had 3 pro bowl level LB's last year...they won 4 games, that's how valuable non rushing LB's are.

Jared Allen lead the league in sacks in 2007 and the Chiefs won 4 games. Is that why they value DEs so much?

Both statements are silly.


PhilFree:arrow:


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