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dirk digler 12-16-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6352032)
No I don't we used our first 2 draft picks on complimentary players. And to top that off Jackson has done nothing while Magee plays roughly 10 snaps a game.
Aren't we supposed to be patient with rookie D-Lineman so why the expectations? Dorsey didn't do shit last year either.

Fish 12-16-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6352028)
Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.
How many 5-tech 3-4 lineman are foundational players for other teams?

Magee? Seriously?

dirk digler 12-16-2009 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6352039)
LOL the only players on this team that are any good are Herms players, all of Pioli's moves have sucked nuts.

If Haley would stop trying to call a game like he's playing Madden 10 we might have a couple more wins.
I thought you didn't care about wins? ;)

Mecca 12-16-2009 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by philfree (Post 6352040)
So a complimentry position player isn't part of the foundation. I would think those guys are where the foundation was built.

PhilFree:arrow:
Using a top 5 pick on a complimentary player is surely the best way to build a champion right?

Mecca 12-16-2009 02:17 PM
When did Dirk turn into a reerun? This week has not been kind to him.

DeezNutz 12-16-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6352028)
Mecca I want to go back and address your no foundation players comment. Do you not believe that both Jackson and Magee are not foundation type players? I know they aren't sexy picks but they could solidify their positions for years to come.
To me, a foundational player must either play one of the most important positions on the field or be an impact player, a game changer.

QB, LT, WR, RB, NT (34), LB (who can rush the QB or who is an absolute monster in the middle, Patrick Willis), CB, or S.

Unless a 34 DE transcends his position, he's not a foundational player, IMO.

Mecca 12-16-2009 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6352054)
To me, a foundational player must either play one of the most important positions on the field or be an impact player, a game changer.

QB, LT, WR, RB, NT (34), LB (who can rush the QB or who is an absolute monster in the middle, Patrick Willis), CB, or S.

Unless a 34 DE transcends his position, he's not a foundational player, IMO.
That sums it up.

philfree 12-16-2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6352033)
If Jackson is your foundation then we are building a trailer.

You're premature with your evaluation but it fits your argument. If Jackson makes strides in his second year like Dorsey has his then maybe we'll end up in a double wide. LOL

PhilFree:arrow:

dirk digler 12-16-2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6352043)
How many 5-tech 3-4 lineman are foundational players for other teams?

Magee? Seriously?
Richard Seymour...not saying he is equal to him just using him as an example

Magee on the other hand I have seen some flashes from him when he gets to play but he still has a ways to go.

Mecca 12-16-2009 02:21 PM
Tyson Jackson could be the best 5 tech in the league and he'd still never live up to that draft position.

Mecca 12-16-2009 02:22 PM
I also like how everyone goes to Seymour as the comparison. I think we should just pop up the best OT and go "hey Ogden man"

dirk digler 12-16-2009 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6352052)
When did Dirk turn into a reerun? This week has not been kind to him.
LMAO This week? I haven't hardly been on this week so what the hell are you talking about?

Mecca 12-16-2009 02:24 PM
I think I'm just going to go bury my head in the sand and tell myself everything is going to work out just cause I like the Chiefs, seems to work for some.

philfree 12-16-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6352054)
To me, a foundational player must either play one of the most important positions on the field or be an impact player, a game changer.

QB, LT, WR, RB, NT (34), LB (who can rush the QB or who is an absolute monster in the middle, Patrick Willis), CB, or S.

Unless a 34 DE transcends his position, he's not a foundational player, IMO.
I disagree. Those are highly visible players. Shutters, soffits, paint and trim. You never see the foundation because it's down in the ground holding up the rest of the house. Foundation players are the guys that go unnoticed while doing the very impoartant dirty work. If not then why would they have used the word foundation?

PhilFree:arrow:

tooge 12-16-2009 02:25 PM
This thread will be a good one to bump a year from now regardless of the outcome.


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