Matt Stafford threw 25 touchdowns to receivers that arent named Calvin.

Calvin had 16

The weapons are here for a quarterback to have a huge year and Bowe would probably get the cream.

The talent gap from Johnson to Burleson is a lot bigger than Bowe to Baldwin/Breaston.

One could argue that Baldwin would become the primary RZ target.

It really is depressing knowing we have all this cap space that we could afford to trade our draft for RG3, but there is no chance we will

Matt Cassel threw 12 touchdowns to receivers not named Bowe in 2010, and the talent gap between Bowe and whatever scrub was #2 at any given time in that season was Christy Morgan sized chasm.

OK, but the Manning to Painter drop off is far from typical. Not only did he go from one of the best all time to a QB that's weak even by back up standards but Manning also had particularly strong effect on the entire way that offense was run.

Frankly, I'm stunned Wayne's 2011 numbers were as good as they were.

He's talking about WRs only, at least I hope so. Because 16+9 does not = 41.

If it's even possible, Derek Anderson is worse than Tyler Palko. Derek Anderson's passes were literally gunned 10 yards over receivers' heads. Not even Randy Moss could have caught the shit Anderson was throwing.

But that's just a side point. Look, we're arguing about the same thing. You already said we have to take Fitzgerald and Megatron out of the argument. Fitzerald's 1,300+ yards behind QBs worse than Cassel is a testament to how good he is and that hs is in a league above Bowe's. So while Bowe will get better, there's definitely a ceiling, because he just isin't as physically gifted as Fitzgerald.

16+25=41.

He said that Stafford threw 25 TDs to receivers not namd Calvin Johnson.

Read it wrong, my bad.

I thought he was trying to make a point that Johnson still got the majority of TDs among the WRs with a quality QB.

WTF are you talking about?

Fitzgerald only had 1137 yards with QBs that are arguably worse than Cassel.

Kolb and Skelton last year are better than Cassel.

Again, we can't trade for RG3 because we don't have the ammo.

The only picks that matter are our first round picks. And Cleveland's are better. And their future first rounders are probably perceived to be better too.

We are coming up with some pretty unreasonable scenarios for how we can get him.

You guys don't think Bowe would have had more touchdowns in 2010 if Matt Cassel wasn't his quarterback?

Seriously?

that was him as the only target to throw to besides Moeaki.

If defenses have to respect our other receivers, Moeaki, and we had a better quarterback throwing him the ball, he would had a lot more scores.

I dont know how someone could think otherwise, but who knows?

We won't know until we see what the final trade price was.

Does Bowe have to be at the Megatron level for us to win a SB?

No.

He wants Holmes money, pay him Holmes money. Lets move on to getting more pieces to build this team.

C'mon, I know you're better than this. I hate Cassel, but he's a serviceable starter / high quality backup. If Kolb and Skelton are any better than Cassel, it's by a hair. Not the kind that accounts for the 200 yard difference. And the 2010 QBs were "arguably" worse than Cassel? Derek Anderson and Max Hall aren't even good enough to be 3rd stringers, let alone starters. They are Tyler Palko bad. I think you need to rewind back to the Chiefs/Cardinals game two years ago where Derek Anderson was throwing the ball 10 yards over the receivers' heads on every single pass.

What are you arguing about? Didn't you already acknowledge that we shouldn't be comparing Bowe to Fitzgerald?