I haven't read the K but it sounds from what you say here that the $31 is guaranteed. If they cut him is there guaranteed $ for that as well?

Minutiae again.

You both have a technical claim to being "right" so I predict another drawn out pissing match in which we all lose.

Point made.

You do understand that "guaranteed" can be restructured, right?...

He gets $31 million 100% guaranteed as a signing bonus. He'll get $20 mil of that this year and the additional $11 mil next April.

His contract contains some more guaranteed money if he stays on the roster at certain points over the life of the contract. For example, if he's still on the roster by the fifth league day of the 2016 and 2017 seasons, he'll be guaranteed another portion of his contract. Technically, those numbers aren't guaranteed now because they could cut him prior to the dates and keep the money, however unlikely.

Another thing to note: his contract contains $60 mil in guarantees to injuries. So, as I mentioned, if they decide to cut him, say, after the 2015 season, he'll only see the $31 signing bonus and $700,000 salary (that's the $31.7 number being thrown around) for the season, but if he gets injured at any time throughout his contract and can't play, he'll receive an additional $29 mil to make the total of guaranteed money $60 mil.

(I think that about covers it)

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I have no idea where you are getting at.

All I know are the following things:

1) Russell Wilson will make $31.7M, no matter what, for 1 year of playing time in 2015. If they cut him after this season, he makes $31.7M. That's guaranteed. Thus, the way they are interpreting the contract, it's a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

2) If Russell Wilson is on the Seahawks on the 1st day of the new league year in 2016, he'll make another $12.34M GUARANTEED, no matter what. So when people are wording this as a 5 year, $89.5M deal with $31.7M guaranteed they are 100% incorrect. They are manipulating the contract to a ridiculous extent.

3) ***AND THIS IS THE MAJOR ONE***

THERE IS LITERALLY NO ****ING WAY IN THIS WORLD THAT RUSSELL WILSON WILL BE CUT BY THE SEAHAWKS FOLLOWING THIS SEASON. NO WAY. IT ISN'T POSSIBLE. HE COULD LITERALLY RAY RICE TWO BITCHES IN AN ELEVATOR AND THE HAWKS STILL WOULDN'T CUT HIM.

So, you know, instead of Dane just admitting, "meh. I got this one wrong."

It turned into this. Because, you know, Dane.

I eagerly await your reply.

Thanks. So if they cut him within the allotted time frame provided he wasn't injured they wouldn't have to pay him anything beyond the $31M?

No one is disputing that fact.

What I AM disputing is your claim that he's guaranteed to earn $31 million this year, which is clearly not the case.

Actually, no. He receives $20 million as a signing bonus this year and a $11.7 million next year. Awesome dough for him and he's set for life, but no.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13...attle-seahawks

He's also been a bargain for Seattle. The 2015 season was the first time Wilson was scheduled to make more than $1 million. That's now just $700,000 in base salary for 2015 with a $31 million signing bonus -- $20 million now and the other $11 million next April.

Once again, $20.7 million is awesome dough, but it's not $31 million.

If he were to agree to a new contract in the future (extension) they could augment that guaranteed money...

LMAO

Dane. He gets $31.7M no matter what. For 1 year of play. If they cut him, he played on a 1 year deal for $31.7M.

How are you not getting this? You really can't be this dumb, can you?

He's only paid that if the worst happens.

This is the funniest thing I've ever argued in my life.

Russell Wilson is guaranteed $31.7M to play for the Seahawks in 2015. It's simply not debatable.

He is guaranteed nothing beyond that. However, if he's on the Hawks on the 5th day of the new league year in 2016, he is guaranteed another $12.5M.

So, if you want to say that Russell Wilson signed a contract for $31.7M, you have to say that he agreed to a brand new deal that was a 1 year, $31.7M contract.

Because the only way he ONLY makes $31.7M is if he is cut before the 2016 season.

This isn't debatable. This is fact.

You specifically said "This year".

You're the guy that's always arguing semantics to "win" a conversation and in no world is Russell Wilson receiving $31.7 million dollars to play for the Seattle Seahawks in 2015, in 2015.

I'm pretty sure we all get that.

For a franchise QB that's a pittance...

That is correct.

They'd be absolutely wrecking their cap in the process of losing a Super Bowl champion QB with no heir apparent on the roster, though, so there's approximately .00000000000000001% chance of that happening.