Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 13285838)

Outside of the QB position, the Chiefs were a pretty talented team in 2013, both offensively and defensively. Dorsey's additions that year in free agency were a mixed bag: Avery, DeVito and Fasano were "okay" additions, Dunta Robinson was awful. Eric Fisher, drafted as a left tackle, was a disaster on the right side and Kelce didn't contribute due to a knee injury.

For the most part, Reid coached up the existing players.



The decision to draft Mahomes wasn't driven by one person. Veach scouted him hard, brought him to Reid, who visited Texas Tech and met with the peeps on campus. Dorsey was no where to be found.

And yes, barring some unforeseen miracle, this team is no closer to a Super Bowl in 2017 than they were in 2012. Houston and Berry will soon be on the wrong side of 30, Hali is done, the receiving corp, outside of Hill now that Conley's gone, is meh at best, etc. and so on.

Veach could find three legit, immediate impact rookies next year and the Chiefs would still need ridiculous play from the QB and defense to push for a Super Bowl.

That's a lot to ask, especially minus a first round pick.



From all reports, it was a decision made by Dorsey, Hunt and Reid. And while I expect Mahomes to have a great career, he still hasn't played a single down in the NFL, so the jury is out.

Originally Posted by Buckweath (Post 13284963)

Here we go again. A Chiefs fan criticizing Dorsey for his draft picks when he proved to be one of the very best in the business. And what year recently did the Chiefs have the most snaps by their rookies in the entire league? Yeah, ok..

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13285978)

I have to hand it to Veach. In his short time, he’s done a solid job. ILB was a huge concern on this team with an old injured DJ coming back and Ramik Wilson lining up next to him.
KPL and Ragland are young, talented players who have improved the run defense to 5th best since week 9 when they started playing more snaps together.

Buttkicker is an obvious hit as well.

I think Veach had a big role in a lot of our draft hits since 2013 and Clark made his decision based off this info.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13285978)

I have to hand it to Veach. In his short time, he’s done a solid job. ILB was a huge concern on this team with an old injured DJ coming back and Ramik Wilson lining up next to him.
KPL and Ragland are young, talented players who have improved the run defense to 5th best since week 9 when they started playing more snaps together.

Buttkicker is an obvious hit as well.

I think Veach had a big role in a lot of our draft hits since 2013 and Clark made his decision based off this info.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 13285978)

KPL and Ragland are young, talented players who have improved the run defense to 5th best since week 9 when they started playing more snaps together.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13285923)

1) New DC
2) Nagy retains playcalling duties
3) Invest 80% of draft and free agency resources into the defense
4) Bring in an animal or two on the O line, LG , quite possibly C and better depth
5) Hand the keys to Money Mahomes, yes technically the jury is still out... but God as my witness I've never seen anything quite like him, he is going to be special

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13286017)

This is a sound all-around plan IMO. Nagy is very likely headed to Indy though I feel.

You've got the entire starting offense returning in 2018, sans Albert Wilson and Alex Smith. As you mentioned, the interior OL has some question marks to address and I'd love to see upgrades at WR2/3 and TE2. Overall, they shouldn't have to denote a ton of resources to that side of the football.

Take a chunk of that $30+M in cap space that they will have and help your defense. Don't spend it all, as that won't be necessary, but use it smartly. They will already have Berry, Peters(?), Houston, Jones, Ragland, etc. in place. That's not a bad foundation at all. Probably better than a large chunk of the NFL. By the time you supplement it with some FAs and draft picks, the defense might look really good.

If Mahomes is the man, they are going to be playoff contenders in '18. And as you mentioned, I have such a strong feeling about his future. If I had to bet, I would say HOF over bust.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13286048)

Thanks bud, I appreciate that

I wouldnt even mind if Wilson came back on a friendly deal, after the way I've felt about him over the years it seems strange to say... but he has slowly yet surely become a genuine contributor

He can run real routes or gadget plays, always blocks etc... as 4 or 5 guy, he is a solid fit here

But yeah, its gotta be a defensive minded offseason... because as we both feel, Mahomes will be able to elevate the play of the majority of our returning offense

A guy like Robinson will almost certainly break out with Pat slinging it

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13286017)

This is a sound all-around plan IMO. Nagy is very likely headed to Indy though I feel.

You've got the entire starting offense returning in 2018, sans Albert Wilson and Alex Smith. As you mentioned, the interior OL has some question marks to address and I'd love to see upgrades at WR2/3 and TE2. Overall, they shouldn't have to denote a ton of resources to that side of the football.

Take a chunk of that $30+M in cap space that they will have and help your defense. Don't spend it all, as that won't be necessary, but use it smartly. They will already have Berry, Peters(?), Houston, Jones, Ragland, etc. in place. That's not a bad foundation at all. Probably better than a large chunk of the NFL. By the time you supplement it with some FAs and draft picks, the defense might look really good.

If Mahomes is the man, they are going to be playoff contenders in '18. And as you mentioned, I have such a strong feeling about his future. If I had to bet, I would say HOF over bust.

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13285923)

I'd give DeVito better than ok, dude was a solid run stopping fireplug... for Avery and Fasano, 'ok' fits the bill though

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13285923)

1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 13285923)

just look at the Rams

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 13286111)

Why is that?
I have heard he will take Dave Toub and now Nagy. Why would he want either one of them.
It is all unknown.
Hell he could even go after Lovie Smith. He worked with Lovie in Chicago when Lovie took them to a SB with Rex Grossman.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13286224)

Nagy is going to be highly coveted if his playcalling continues to be successful. The jobs that guys like Sean McVay and Doug Pederson have done is only increasing Nagy's value as a potential HC.

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 13286064)

I should have pointed that out myself too. I think our WRs are going to look a whole lot better with Pat in there, and we saw a glimpse when he and Robinson shredded the Titans during the preseason.

More than anything, I just want better WR/TE depth because we could use better Kelce/Hill insurance. As irreplaceable as those two are, I'm not sure we are equipped to handle the loss of either right now at all.