Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 16283301)

I remember having a bizzarely effective short yardage defense for the first couple years of Sutton, particularly in 2015.

Then it all kinda went kablooey when Hali got old, Houston got injured and struggled in his recovery, and... well, you know the rest.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16283570)

Example:

Normal Dude - 6', 195 lbs. Solid WR build.

40 time: 4.3
Twenty yard split: 2.5 seconds
10 yrd split: 1.5
Bench: 15
Vert: 38 inches
Broad: 10'4 inches
Shuttle: 4 flat
3-cone: 6.7 seconds

RAS: 9.87

Tall guy: 6'4'', 220 lbs

40: 4.4
20 yard split: 2.6
10 yard: 1.55
Bench: 18
Vert: 36
Broad: 10'1''
Shuttle: 4.1
3-cone: 6.8

RAS: 9.93


Normal guy, with perfectly reasonable WR size, has a lower RAS than Tall Guy despite being measurably a better athlete in every single way.

It isn't a measure of athleticism as much as it's a measure of height. It's used foolishly and it's named even moreso.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16283652)

Uh... this is exactly when it's useful.

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 16283491)

um, okay, but...I mean, that's basically what it is.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16283658)

Why?

Shorter guy is clearly more athletic. The other guy is just taller.

Did you need a 'RAS' to point that out for you? I feel like a tape measure would have sufficed.

The RAS says the shorter guy is a lesser athlete - he isn't. He's a slightly shorter one and that's all.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16283585)

I've never looked at RAS at all, but in your example is it about height or weight? I think it's legitimately more impressive when a guy who weighs 25 pounds more has similar athletic performance.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16283665)

For the same reason Calvin Austin isn't going to be better than Calvin Johnson.

I mean, imagine if Player 1 had wear a 25lb vest and go through testing. Their athleticism is relative to their size, and vice versa. It's just a tool, it doesn't mean everything.

But your size absolutely matters. Otherwise the league would be populated with DeAnthony Thomas clones.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16283674)

Then don't call it an 'athletic score'.

And again, we're not talking Calvin Johnson vs. Calvin Austin here. I have one guy that's 6'4'' and a clearly inferior athlete to a guy who's 6'1'' and a very good physical specimen in his own right.

It uses height as a damn multiplier of all the other athletic indices and then people act like it's some composite breakdown of athleticism. That's just silly. It's not. Better athletes get lower scores than taller ones all the time.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16283666)

A little bit of weight but substantially more to do with height.

Take 'Tall Guy' there and make him 6'1'', 200 lbs and his RAS drops to 9.72. Make him a 6'4'' stringbean at 195 and he's 9.85, he's at 9.92 at 215.

So messing with weight can swing you maybe .05 points here and there, but height can give you .2 or more of a swing.

Like I said, RAS is more concerned with height than it is athleticism.

It's a stupid metric. It's an ESPECIALLY stupid metric for LBs.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16283675)

I pointed this out in another thread, but the RAS for Pickens was higher than Moore but only proved that Pickens was taller. Moore was superior in every other metric that was listed.

I’m sure someone can find that comparison.

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16283682)

Oh, you've got the formula (or a calculator)? Link? I'd like to check it out.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16283674)

Then don't call it an 'athletic score'.

And again, we're not talking Calvin Johnson vs. Calvin Austin here. I have one guy that's 6'4'' and a clearly inferior athlete to a guy who's 6'1'' and a very good physical specimen in his own right.

It uses height as a damn multiplier of all the other athletic indices and then people act like it's some composite breakdown of athleticism. That's just silly. It's not. Better athletes get lower scores than taller ones all the time.

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16283675)

I pointed this out in another thread, but the RAS for Pickens was higher than Moore but only proved that Pickens was taller. Moore was superior in every other metric that was listed.

Originally Posted by saphojunkie (Post 16283688)

Oh snap... DJ from the Skyy Moore thread has been betrayed by DJ from the Chenal thread!

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16283695)

Damn you, 'Nut! - ****ing Judas!