You do know who Bill Walsh wanted instead of Montana in that draft, right? An off pre-draft evaluation doesn't mean shit.

You really haven't figured this out yet? I'll help you. I enjoy getting your neg reps every day. It just shows me that (1) you put value in something so moronic and juvenile as a rep bar.. and (2) I really get to you and make you feel... less.

:LOL:

I didn't say ten years more experience. I was just talking about Alex's run as a pro. Remember, he was drafted at 19.

Thanks. I actually just learned something here. :thumb:

Okay. Well now this is becoming too much for me. Im out.

What I have learned today. The players coming out today, are no different than players coming out in 2005.

When it is a known fact that college qbs are being better coached now days, and the NFL is shifting more towards a college style spread attack. But yet, Alex Smith should be the same over and over.

And SDH. If you are positive repping these turds right now, they are going to be the same assholes calling Geno Smith a bust when he struggles in NEW YORK.

Careful with the friends you keep bro.

Let me tell you something that YOU haven't figured out:

Your and idiot. No one loves you, values you, or gives two flying ****s about a thing you post. You are in fact, a non-entity here.

The sooner you leave, the better.

How to wipe your own ass?

Then it was a good day!

Sean Payton ran a very different offense in NO than Turner ever did though.

From a simple wiki search:

Truth is, Payton had a lot of different influence over the years. That's why his system was/is so unique.

Boo Hoo?

Damn, I really got you all shaken up and flailing right now. :)

the most aids infested thread in planet history

if you judge a QB by his fans, Smith is the worst

I also know that Bill Walsh considered trading Joe Montana for Elway.

The point is, that coaching is every bit as important, as the player themselves.

There are rare players like an Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, who could survive in just about any system. But without proper coaching, you go from being a perennial playoff team, to looking like what the Saints looked like last year.

The fact that you wont acknowledge just how much Jim Harbaugh, Vic Fangio, and Greg Roman have meant to the 49ers, says everything I need to know.

Good day, SIR.

Flacco and Ryan are backyard ballers?

The sean payton offense is almost IDENTICAL to the Cam Cameron offense.

They both are off of the Norv Turner air Coryell system. No two systems are exactly the same, but the principles sure are.

It's truly worse than the day the Patriot Way came to town. Just god-awful.

You can judge him by his play to know that.

Identical? HAHAHAHAHA. Have you watched football son? That might be the dumbest post I've ever seen.

Sean Payton has plenty of WCO concepts in his bag of tricks. Because, you know, he was a QB coach under Jon Gruden in Philly.

You're an idiot of epic proportions.

This. Its a ****ing crazy situation we are in here with these ****s...
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These ****ers need the Discipline Stick:

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FYP

LMAO Sankyou.

So, what's new in the CP 49ers Lounge?

Alex Smith needed to learn the basics of the NFL when he started.

He was very young and raw. He was baptized by fire vs the Colts defense at their best.

His 2nd year is actually a top 10 year all time by a 22yo QB even though it was a rating of 74.8
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He is not the athlete that Newton or Griffin are that a coach could tailor an offense to have them succeed from the get go.

It was always gonna be a development process and that was the scouting report when he was drafted as a 20yo.

Hypothetical ideal development and he probably still isn't an NFL MVP QB you want with the #1 pick.

It was a long and arduous process but I don't get the other 49ers fans who lay blame on Smith for what he's not.
And even if he was the 49ers probably aren't a playoff team 2006-2010.
Winning a extra game or 2 and the 49ers don't manage to draft some of the best talent on the team due to the higher 1st round drafts 2007-2011.

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Surprisingly, it isn't. It's really a mesh of a WCO and a Coryell system. Payton is a pretty hardcore WCO guy who credits a lot of his original principles to Gruden. After signing Brees, they incorporated a bunch of things Drew liked (3 and 4 verts concepts to be used quite often) and Sean really listened to what Drew thought would fit. Part of the reason those 2 guys are so close is because of the unique collaboration they have.

Alex is a class act and was a fabulous mentor for Kaepernick. Reid and Dorsey have cited as a big reason they liked Alex.

Without a doubt, Kaepernick is further ahead in his development for Alex Smith's help, than without it. There is no doubt.

It will soon be the only reason.

Yep. Bowe will be called every bad word in the book. We'll hear how he doesn't get any separation or how he doesn't try because he dislikes Alex?

I'll tell you one thing. Kaep will never get 8 years of excuses from me if he plays mediocre football.

It is important but it is completely overblown by Smith fanboys. The guy had a terrible 3rd down conversion rate but it was dubbed by his mindless fanboys as "ball control". :LOL:

I just get a kick out of the same posts that I read on the 9er board. A link to this board was posted on the 9er board and I came here to see the same fanboys saying the same things. So I'm here for the sheer entertainment.

What's truly pathetic is calling yourself a 9er fan but putting down everyone (coach, other players, etc) because things didn't go well for a guy who's no longer on the team. I don't consider those types true 9er fans. Their fanship begins and ends with a player and not the actual team. That's fine and all...but it's amusing.

I liked Gannon. A lot. Did I follow him to Oakland?

I goes where I wants... I follow who I wants... and all you lil anustarts can thinks whatever ya wants. I don't know you... don't want to know you.. just as you don't know or want to know me. I'd much rather read and talk football.

Entertainment FTW all around. Go 49ers! Go Chiefs! because that's the way I likes it. Got a problem with that? Who gives a ****?

When did this guy become Popeye?
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Things didn't go well for only Smith? Its was puppies and sunshine other than that?
You just want to whitewash history now because it suits your pov now.

The real fans were the ones scapegoating Alex Smith 2006-2010?

Prion to the start of 2011 season this was posted by someone...
"Culpeper still could come in the league today and have the strongest arm in the NFL. For the people saying that Asmith is better then him, sorry disagree 100%, give Dante a chance to go against Alex and I will put my $ on DC all day and twice on Sunday, Alex Smith is the def of garbage"

Must be nice to live in a simple world where all that was missing was a QB to pull his own weight.

You and a lot of KC fans will be kissing his azz soon enough, considering KC was a pathetic 2-14 last season ROFL ROFL ROFL

Hyperbole is a sign of smarts and credibility.

2005-2010
6 years
1 of those had a week 4 shoulder separation, ended up on IR
1 of those had a preseason shoulder fracture, all season on IR

What is incredible is that the Alex supporters -- through their perpetual posting -- are keeping fresh on the main page of the CP Lounge, the clear unequivocal declaration...

Alex Smith did, does and always will suck.

Such irony.

im sure it breaks your heart.

He's been in the league for 8 years.

Crabtree was considered a bust and massive failure by these dolts until Kaepernick came on the scene. Bowe is already proven among Chief fans, but he will endure the same ridicule from Alex fans. Guaranteed.

Yeah, that was great. Especially after the 2011 NFCCG against the Giants. "Crab didn't get any separation". LMAO

Just a note to Chiefs fans.... if things go wrong, blame is placed elsewhere.

I'll follow Bowe to hell before bending the knee to Axl's "greatness".

ROFL"Greatness"...oh shit....

This is nothing new. Every boneheaded sack will be blamed on the billion dollar O-line, and "not having a legit #2/McCluster sucks" will be hot it's heels.

Predictable.

I think you're confused.

He said that I am still a 9er fan.

Who am I putting down? You're right in that I don't think things went well for Alex at the end...and yes, I followed him here. Much like I did with Garcia when he left and Montana when he left and any number of other players. Guess what? I always remained a 9ers fan.

So I fail to see how it begins and ends with Alex? I'll still be going to 9er games and cheering my ass off for them.

So what's your problem with me again?

Good to know. And that is why I like this site. Not like a fairy 49erwebzone, where the milquetoast QB is sucked off and everyone else is thrown to the woodshed.

Pretty sure Crabs was already starting to significantly improve in 2012 while Alex was still the starter...but enjoy your revisionist history.

Crabtree WAS failing.

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He got stronger as 2011 went on after missing week 2 with the foot. He got more experience and they saw what he was best at and took that forward to 2012...

Check the YPC for Crabtree compared with Kaepernick and Alex. Have a nice day.

I compare Crabtree's production with Kaepernick and Alex. It's a pretty significant difference.

Not really. He was targeted like 30% more.

Compare Brandon Lloyd Denver with Orton to him with NE and Brady.

Yards per catch for WRs bounces within a 2 yard range year to year.
And sample is smaller than that.

And it's not like we don't have more info with Smith.
2009-2011 Crab got a solid 12.8 a catch with most passes coming from Smith.

That really wasn't the issue with him. He is quick and slippery. Good at grabbing a bit of YAC. The problem was how often he was dropping passes.
And they ditched a lot of the fly routes he was forced to try as an outside WR.

It's not like Crabtree was always flying open down the field and it took Kaepernick to get him the ball down the field.

If you have the numbers to prove me wrong, so be it, but it did seem like Kaepernick did hit him on some deeper throws that Smith wouldn't have attempted.

Sure. He did throw more intermediate stuff to him.

More yards when he caught it but he caught less % of what was targeted to him.
The 1.16x yards a catch uptick came had some drawback.

Overall the pass offense got 4.3% more yards per attempt with Kaepernick.

A 50/50 Catch to Crabtree 15yards down field isn't always the way to go.
The dreaded check-down is OK.

Making just 1 of those for 7 yards per game in his 7 starts last year. And his YPA goes up to 8.55

And that would be a statistically solid difference from Alex Smith 7.97

You are WRONG! Again.

Crabs' numbers changed once Kaep took over.

How many 100 yard games did Crabs have with Alex beforehand (over the course of a good 30+ games)? I believe it was 2. He had 5 with Kaep (and a 93 yarder) in 5 games.

Shall we look at the playoffs production?

2012 playoffs
20 Receptions for 285 yards 3 TDs (Could have been 4...remember that goalline fumble in Atlanta?)

2011 playoffs
4Receptions for 25 yards 2 TDs

You'd have to be a blithering idiot to not see the difference between Crabs/Kaep and Crabs/Alex....

Troy Smith/ Crabs connection > Alex Crabs connection.

Crabs was on pace to have the same numbers he had last year with Alex under center. Those numbers took off when Kaep took over. Not only are you a fanboy but you're dishonest, too. The worst kind.

So full of shit, kid... Suck on these numbers a bit.

This is old and recycled discussion. Now, show us how VD's production was with Smith and then Kaep. Go ahead.


week 1-9 = 26 rec on 37 targets / 380 yds / 4 TDs -------- ( with Alex )

week 9-16 = 16 rec on 25 targets / 172 yds / 1 TD -------- ( with Kaep )

So, big whoopity doo, kid. Alex liked throwing the ball to VD and others.. as well as Crabtree, which Alex completed approx. 40 passes to prior to the concussion. That's 40 at about the mid-point to the season. Does 40 sound terrible in a run-based offense? Kaep only completed about 50 to him.

:doh!:

Let all this go and enjoy the 49ers journey. Let Alex Smiff go, once and for all. Alex has controlled and dominated your pathetic life all of those 8 years... and now, you are allowing him to dominate you even though you are free of him. Can you not see this twisted and sick obsession is poisoning your soul?

You people realize that both the Air Coryelland West Coast systems are just branches of the offense that Sid Gillman innovated in the 50s with the Rams and brought to the Chargers in 60s, right?

Air Coryell just emphasizes the intermidiate and deep routes, while the West Coast system places more emphasis on the short passing game.

The Saints passing attack really resembles what Gillman and John Hadl were doning in the eArly-mid 60s, in that they have a more equal mix of the two concepts.

To the point that someone earlier regarding Norv Turner, there iw no way in hell that a risk averse QB like Smith excels in a system that relies on timing in the intermediate and deep passing game of Norv Turner's AC system.

In 2006, (Smith's 2nd season), Alex had a 56.85 comp % when throwing 21+ yards in Norv's system.

In 2005, (Schaub's 2nd season), Matt had a 50% comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2002, (Brees' 2nd season), Drew had a 59.25 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Flacco's 2nd season), Joe had a 60.1 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Ryan's 2nd season), Matt had a 58.7 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Flacco's 2nd season), Joe had a 60.1 comp % when throwing 21+ yards


I mean, we are not talking huge differences here. You need to at least factor in that Alex had Kwame Harris at OT (possibly the worst OT in pass protecting history), and a bottom half pass protecting OL on the whole.

Also keep in mind, Alex's decent 2nd year was also better than that of HOF Troy Aikman's 2nd year... and Troy had a MUCH better supporting cast around him.

None of those other guys have ever shown any fear of making a mistake.
They've all shown confidence in their ability to make plays.

Alex Smith has shown that he is afraid, that he lacks confidence.

The confidence allowed those guys to grow and develop.

Smith's fear would have stunted his growth.

I think he has grown as a player. The drive at the end of the playoff game was special. What about the shot he took from Polamalu a couple of weeks ago. He went on to complete the pass and finish the drive. That's leadership and he's not Cassel.

All of this seems fair, if regarding the past... maybe even late into 2011.

From 2011 Saints playoff game and up to now? I don't think any of us can be sure of whether Alex will have such issues. The one thing that most have agreed to.. is that Alex is mentally resilient. I suspect that his confidence has grown significantly in what he can do.. and likely what Reid will encourage him to do. Now, he just needs his OL and downfield targets to elicit SOME trust from him by performing their jobs.

Good post man. He has grown as a player. It's rare that a guy grows much after three years but, he's an exception imo.

Who is dishonest?

Crabtree 2010 741 yards 6 tds
2011 874 yards 4 tds
2012 8 game split 440 yards 3 tds
So 16= 880 yards and 6 TDs.

At first blush, it really looks like you're correct. However, when you account for the injured hand (in which every receiver suffered on yards) it paints a different picture.

6 games 383 yards 3 tds = 16 games 1021 yards and 8tds.

Now, the only argument you can really make here is that I can't take those games out...go ahead...tell me how Alex's throwing hand injury had no impact on the 9ers ability to pass in those games. I'm all ears.

This is a perfect example of why stats are deceptive.

Instead of using stats, try to remember how everyone was saying how much better Crabtree was looking before Alex had his concussion.

I just find it ironic that you guys keep bumping a thread titled Alex Smith did does and always will suck. I would think you guys would bump the Alex trade thread or Alex v. Geno. I don't care either way. I know Alex is a good QB who is a net plus for the Chiefs, but will never be the "top flight QB" that any team needs to get over the hump. That is why I would never want him on my team. As a 2 year placeholder mentoring a stud prospect, I would love him on my team.

I doubt any of us really care about the empty words of the thread title. They are just ignorant words that probably.. like they do for me, make others chuckle.

They are words of wisdom to live by.

You know how it goes. Controversy is what keeps these boards going.

Alex Smith is a lightning rod for controversy.

I am just getting acustomed to the fact that the OP is plastered on every page. It really is quite reasonable.

Personally, I don't care that we're bumping up the OP that doesn't like Alex. I don't believe in creating multiple threads to discuss the exact same subject.
I don't get butt hurt that some people don't like Alex. I don't care if people don't agree with me on his abilities. As long as it is fairly civil, I enjoy the arguments. When it stops being fun, I stop reading and posting.

Good QB's rarely have controversy follow them around.

Manning Bros/Brady/Rodgers/Brees/Luck/RGIII/Wilson/Ryan no controversy

Why does controversy come up with Alex Smith? Because he was a number one overall pick and has never thrown for more than 18 tds. He's total shit.

:LOL:ROFL

Plenty of controversy over Eli...

You know what, you're right. And I thank my lucky ****ing stars he gave San Diego the finger. Can you imagine if the Chargers had won 2 Superbowls while we toiled in mediocrity with the Cassel/Huard/Smiths of the world?

Christ, I wouldn't be able to take it.

Not for this long.

That is a fact.

The only team in our division (if you want include the Seahawks) that hasn't made a super bowl the last 20 years is KC...

That was my thought as well.

BINGO! I think he brings a little more to the table than that, but that without question is the biggest thing, especially with Bray in the wings.

Because New York.

Alex Smith really hasn't done anything his last two seasons to really justify any criticism.

But before that, yeah I can see that. I wouldn't say though that Matt Ryan had no controversy as well as someone pointing out Eli.

Matt Ryan is a product of having phenomenal talent around him.

Very few teams have the amount of weapons that he has. Im not sure that he is much better than Alex Smith all the way around to be honest.

Meh. Its the week of real games. So the last bit of trolls had to have their fun, and that's fine. Although, as a 49er fan, I am much more concerned about our first three games of the season, and the chance that 1-2, or 0-3 is a very real possibility.

I think people are taking the Packers as a foregone conclusion that we beat them.

Even if we two, the ghost that still haunts, waits for week two.

First of all, if you're calling yourself a 9ers fans, take that stupid looking dog off your avatar. LOL.

Seriously though, there is a 0.00% pct chance we start the season 0-3.