got I hate Merril Hodge. and his dumbass big not ties.
WTF.

too Bad for Bray that no matter how awesome he is, and no matter how shitty Smiff is, he'll never see the field. Smith is the starter for at least 3 years.

Suppose Fisher struggles too much and the coaches don't think he is good enough for RT. Would they then move him inside to RG and draft another RTotf? This is worst case scenario imo as what a waist of a pick that would be for 1.1

yuck. that would definitely Strike 2 for Andy/Dorsey

Yeah no shit. He started in on Geno Smith accuracy problems and I was like yeah bull shit. His TD INT ratio speaks for itself.

Same as the old boss.

You haven't paid any attention to Andy Reid, have you?

Well I'm under the impression with Andy Reid that we will spend a first round pick on an O-lineman every year if it's up to him.

I saw that and wondered what the hell he was talking about. You'd think Geno was averaging a 50% completion rate and averaging like 200 yds per game back in college based on his dumbass comments

ya, cool, thx.

I would expect the offense to go through growing pains as the staff walks them through each phase of the PB. Now, if the offense is struggling after pre season game 2, it's time to be concerned about the whole team, because we already know what they look like with no ****ing clue on offense.

but, alas -- this is andy reid, not brian ****ing daboll.

Once again, that's a good thing for Bray. He hasn't shown mentally he's ready to start in year one or two. With the talent he has, best case for him is to sit and learn for a while before being thrown out in the fire and wasting his talent because he can't get the mental side down.

People preach patience with a 1st round QB. The patience has to be quadrupled with a UDFA QB, no matter how great he looks vs. 3rd team defenses in training camp.

Where?

He talked about missing wide open guys. He must have been watching other games in alternative universe I guess?

oh yeah, don't get me wrong here. I was coming from the stance that there's probably a 1% chance he'll see the field regardless of how he develops physically/mentally etc. Smith won't have to worry about anything for 3 years, IMO

And he didn't just knock Smith's accuracy, he had to narrow it down to, "he has bad accuracy when the receiver is wide open." Who cares? How many times in an NFL season does a QB get a WR that is wide open...where the coverage is blown.

didnt you watch Chiefs games last year? It happens a lot on bad teams.

Other than Danny Watkins, name one olinemen that was drafted in the first round by the Eagles?

They have drafted several D LINEMEN, and a wide receiver in recent memory. But, they usually go dline in the first round.

Shawn Andrews
Danny Watkins
traded first round pick for Jason Peters

three

Drafted mister. Jason Peters does not count lol.

So, they draft both lines apparently.

I was trying to remember the dlinemen, all I could remember was Brandon Graham, but I know they have drafted more.

To be exact: In the past 10 drafts, two of the drafts the eagles didn't have first rounders, but they have selected 5 d linemen in the first round. two offensive linemen, and a wide receiver. That's pretty stunning to me.

You are right it has mostly been Dlineman but I'm still expecting O-line for the Chiefs with Andy Reid. I think that is the vision he has so he can produce with his precious quarterback.

I can see that. Although, wouldn't shock me at all if they go WR next year, especially if Baldwin sucks.

I have a feeling that "dropped balls" is an excuse that is going to be in heavy rotation for much of this season.

Im sure there is going to be plenty of talk about how Bowe wasn't worth the money either.

[QUOTE=Detoxing;9851375]<b>I have a feeling that "dropped balls" is an excuse that is going to be in heavy rotation for much of this season. </b>

Im sure there is going to be plenty of talk about how Bowe wasn't worth the money either.QUOTE]

That and "no seperation" seems to be popular.

Got tickets for the 49ers preseason game. Only $7.... why not LMAO

Jason Peters absolutely counts they gave up their first round pick slot for him

its like taking an offensive lineman there, no different. that year they didnt like anyone they scouted i guess and went for the known player instead. It's still wasting a pick on an o-lineman

[QUOTE=BigCatDaddy;9851390]Just like year 1 of the Cassel era.

The media and fans blamed Cassel's shortcomings on a lack of weapons, dropped balls etc and swore up and down that Cassel would be a good QB once he was surrounded by viable weapons.....

uh huh.......

[QUOTE=Detoxing;9851405]2013=2009

[QUOTE=WakkaWakka;9851411]Don't stop there.

Dorsey=Pioli
Smith=Cassel

LMAO It's hilarious how worked up people get over training camp and the conclusions they draw from it.

I nominate us to change our name to the Kansas City Sharts! All the media goads you into believing we will be this giant relieving fart, but sneaky trouser chili soon emerges after game 2!!! It's over before it even began!!!

I don't know. The media is doing a pretty good job of tell us how bad things are going.

I gotta laugh at the "no separation" thing.

Know why there's no separation between Bowe and his guy? Because there are no speed guys to challenge defenses deep to force the secondary to back off and play with a cushion. And even if we have those speed guys, they're ****ing worthless if the (say it with me) QUAR-TER-BACK isn't worth an ounce of AIDS.

You saw what arguably the best WR in the NFL in Larry Fitzgerald was forced to become without a real QB. And hell, at least he's got some actual legit company helping out in the WR corps.

There won't be any separation until teams start ACTUALLY fearing our QB. And I'm not talking about them fearing his ability to not make mistakes and win games against shitty teams. I'm talking about them fearing his ability to potentially burn them with a big play at ANY GIVEN MOMENT.

Alex is likely not that guy. So until then, people need to sit back and shut the **** up about "no separation" from our WRs. We could be set up with Dwayne Bowe, Calvin Johnson, and a speed guy like Mike Wallace and we still probably wouldn't get the "separation" that these asshole true fans are looking for.

Wow, that escalated quickly.

I'm absolutely shocked how quickly the conversation changed to something else.

One minute, people are bashing Clay for actually, you know, using facts to back up his posts - the next?

Crickets.

Rep.

No actually what I said was thats 100% on Smith just like Stafford's record against winning teams is 100% on him.

Correct?

Good report, there is actually something worth reading in this thread sometimes.

One, I didn't single out anyone. Plenty of folks were bashing him, and then disappeared.

But, to respond directly to you - you are correct - you did make the above comment.

But the comment itself is 100% incorrect, as someone else pointed out.

The QB only has control over the number of points the offense scores.

Alex Smith led offenses have scored 30+ points in 10% of his games.

Stafford led offense have scored 30+ points in 30% of his starts - and he's lost 4 games when scoring 30+ points and 2 games when scoring 40+ points.

Stafford led offenses score an average of 25 points a game. There's no way in hell I'm blaming a guy that averages 25 points a game.

Smith? 19 points a game.

Hmmm.

I wonder why he has a shit record when the opposition scores 24 points or more?

It's shocking how people don't get that it all works together. And then the more tidbits I hear about Geno's live arm, accuracy, and the way he's quickly grasping that offense, the more aggravating it is to know he's going to be completely wasted on that jet's team. Tyler Bray or bust!

So, do we have enough speed at WR or don't we? You seem confused.

I heard Geno is outperforming Sanchez @Jets camp.

Can anyone confirm?

Cue Claynus in 3..2..1

I've heard no INTs for Geno to several for Sanchez in the last few practices. Rex Ryan said everybody loves the guy with the 96mph fastball - referring to geno. Pretty much the only "negative" I've heard is that Geno's conditioning isn't as good as Sanchez's.

I was being facetious, man.

oh, I'm being adumbguy, then.

It was dj's left nut.

In this thread somewhere
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BTW, during 1v1 pass rush, Houston worked exclusively from the right side, and I believe Hali was exclusively from the left.

It was in the Bray thread, IIRC, and he didn't say that. '


He said he looked the part physically, but in terms of mechanics and offensive understanding, he's way lacking at this point.

Which is to be expected.

Interesting. Wonder if Houston will be the weakside rusher this year.

We don't, but a better WR isn't going to change much.

You still gotta have a QB that defenses fear and respect if you want them to unglue themselves to your receivers

It's my opinion that Hali, if he hasn't already begun to, is about to drastically fall off the cliff (I hope I'm wrong). If that's the case, I like the proactive thinking.
I also liked what Jones brought to the table today. Last year he was great on special teams, but I think he could contribute defensively this year.
Although... It was just one practice.

Tidbit from today.
Defensive coordinator Bob Sutton threw everything he had at the offense, including a pass-rushing alignment that had outside linebackers Tamba Hali and Justin Houston on the same side next to Derrick Johnson. Talk about a modern-day Triple Stack. Houston got a hand on a Daniel pass intended for TE Travis Kelce, and CB Neiko Thorpe broke up a pass intended for Dwayne Bowe.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/08/01...#storylink=cpy

HELL. YES.

Get crazy with it, no holds barred... be creative.

Hmmm. Putting our best guy on the weak side, perhaps?

The good news is that guys with huge arms can get away with crap mechanics more often than not... Cutler and Favre throw tons of TD's off their back foot or barely stepping into it etc.

Barring some major catastrophe we wont be seeing Bray outside of pre-season this year... but i've got my fingers crossed for a bright future, he hopefully just needs time to mature and mentally grasp the game.

The best thing for the Chiefs and Tyler Bray, is that after preseason this year, we don't hear his name or see him play a down.

He needs to realize that this isn't going to be given to him and work his ass off at owning his craft. It sounds like he's working hard, but those mechanical things and mental things are the things he needs to perfect.

He's a good piece of steak, but he needs time to marinade.

You don't suppose Stafford's 6 points more a game has anything to do with the fact their defense sucked so they were always in a shoot out do you?

They guy still has a losing record by a mile and if it were Cassel we would call those numbers garbage time stats.

Hell I'm not arguing Smith is better,that's not even the topic. I am just saying the double standard is laughable.

Stafford has had his issues and has not won a single big game. Yet excuses are made because he wings the ball and puts up "statistics" while losing to good teams.

This

http://kckingdom.com/2013/08/01/chie...n=Hot%2BTopics

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The Chiefs were back in full pads Thursday morning after having the day off on Wednesday. The practice consisted of a lot of 11 on 11 reps, more or less a scrimmage. Coach Brad Childress was marking the ball and calling the “obvious” penalties as Coach Reid said in his press conference.
A lot of the notes taken away from day 6 consisted of how dominant the defense was. According to Randy Covitz of the Kansas City Star, the defense was able force several turnovers including a pick six by corner back, Brandon Flowers. Turnovers weren’t the only issues for the Chiefs offense today. Jamaal Charlesdropped a screen pass, Travis Kelce fumbled after making a catch, and Jon Baldwin dropped a wide open pass up the seams on a 3rd down and 15 situation. The very next play, Baldwin was flagged for a false start. Looks like the camp warrior trend may be wearing out of Jon Baldwin.

On the flip-side, the defense really shined. As mentioned earlier, Brandon Flowers jumped a pass by Alex Smith that was intended for Dexter McCluster, and was able to take it back for a touchdown. Rookie linebacker, Nico Johnson, tipped a Chase Daniel pass that resulted in an interception for fellow rookie safety, Bradley McDougald. Reports also said that the defense was in the quarterbacks face most of the time. They did a good job of applying pressure and moving the quarterbacks out of the pocket.

“I thought the defense did a nice job,” Coach Reid said. “That’s what you expect, early in camp, for the defense to be dominant. It always takes the offense a little longer to get going. That’s how it normally works.”
Typically, defenses are ahead of offenses especially this early in camp. The Chiefs have almost everything new on the offensive side of the ball when it comes to coaching. New coordinators, position coaches and of course, a new quarterback. It’s still very early and there shouldn’t be very high concern after the way the offense played today.
“All in all, it was a good day of work,” Coach Reid said, concerning the offense. “We had a chance to move the ball, so play the game in other words.” Coach Reid continued, “We also had a goal line and short yardage day today, which was live, and I thought there was good work there.”
The Chiefs take the field again tomorrow at 8:15 A.M. in St. Joe. I expect to hear a better day from the offense.

Tyson Jackson looks like a sloppy fatso.

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I would certainly hope so, considering most of the talent is on that side of the ball...

On a related note, I'm going to visit camp on Tuesday next week...I'll be sporting my Omar Easy jersey, so I should be easy to spot. I'd love to say 'hi' to any fellow Planeteers if you're there.

I think Jackson looks slimmed down.

Wild seeing players wear thigh and knee pads. Do they always do that in camp? probably so.

"Box" players normally do, IIRC.

Its mandatory now for any player. Even Receivers. Thigh and knee pads......

I really like what I'm hearing about Sutton's defensive approach. I have said for a long time that we need to stop trying to emulate other "ways" and go back to the Chiefs way. And when I think about that on defense, I think about attacking, QB-killing, play-making defenses.

That's right, I forgot.

It's actually to protect other players from concussions IIRC.

absolutely. Bend and don't break defenses, only get you beat. Pressure busts pipes.

Like DJ said earlier, you really have to take all the twitter reports, good or bad, with a grain of salt.

It's really hard to tell what the hell is going on during practice. There is so much shit going on, it's pretty hard to tell one way or another.

Mother**** YES I love it and so had everyone else better, for what we've invested in it.

And one more time:

For a competent Quarterback, last years line WAS MORE THAN ****ING ADEQUATE TO HELP PRODUCE POSITIVE RESULTS.

FOR A COMPETENT......


QUARTERBACK.

ROFL

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Have we finally fixed out ILB position next to DJ? That'd make a big difference on our D we have.

The Chiefs need to get to a game first to find that out.

NT or Dline pressure on the QB would help the defense a lot more than a ILB.

Though it's not hard to upgrade from Belcher. I doubt he'd even be on the team this season should he be alive.

I'm an unabashed Nico Johnson believer. I wanted us to draft the guy in the third round. When he fell down to us again it was manna from heaven for me. I think the guy is going to be a dominant ILB for a long time.

And Planet Houston is a ****ing nuclear detonation waiting to happen every play.

Base D this morning:
Jackson, Poe, DeVito
Houston, Jordan, Johnson, Hali
Flowers, Berry, Lewis, Smith

Jeff Allen starting Guard.
Smith big gain on naked boot
Hudson max effort in drills, dust up with Jordan after whistle.

Oh man...I just had a flashback to a time when the donks would kill us about 10 times a game with naked bootlegs.

and they had QBs that could take a hit too

Whoa. Powe and (I'm assuming) Poe are running with the first stringers? Can this mean that Sutton can actually tailor a defense that is suited to the strengths of the players on this team? Poe was expected to be on the first string, and a few of us had been touting what Powe could do based on his limited action (though no fault of his own) in the past.... This old man Sutton guy is growing on me. A lot.

Smith to Charles, 20yd TD pass.

Poe, DeVito, Jackson in obvious passing redzone situation. Poe with would be sack.