Rookie contracts are guaranteed.

All you’re paying in a trade is their base salary, though. 1/2 that deal or so is signing bonus. Which hits the Titans.

For Wilson, you’d be looking at 1.1, 1.3, and then 2.2 million bases. If you trade for him not sure if you’re guaranteeing that cash or the original team isn(if you were to cut the player), but it wouldn’t count against your cap if you cut him.

Worst case, you’re gambling 4.6M of actual cash and $0 of cap space that you can get something out of him commensurate to his original draft position.

Which means there's absolutely zero risk.

Idk if this has been posted yet, but I found this to be an interesting nugget from Nate Taylor’s most recent article:

“ The Chiefs could re-sign Remmers to a one-year deal to retain his role as a reliable backup, and they’re expected to engage free-agent tackles such as Trent Williams and Alejandro Villanueva.”

Man. Signing Williams is like my dream FA move. Yeah, it would mean Fisher is gone, but that guy is going to be a top 5-ish LT for another 4-5 years.

Trent Williams - Lucas Niang - Center (draft pick?) - LDT - Schwartz

I like. A lot. Could even put Niang at RG and Osemele at LG if that works out.

Thatd be a dream scenario. Not interested in Patrick playing behind a rookie or JAG left tackle while we wait for Fish to get healthy.

Move heaven and earth to sign Williams, resign Osemele, draft your center (Dickerson and Humphrey) somewhere in the 2nd. Sit back and let those boys wreck shit!

Williams will be 33 years old before the 2021 season begins yet you think he'll be a Top 5 left tackle at age 37 and 38??

Andrew Whitworth was arguably.

He’s such a freak that I think it’s very possible. Has all of the tools in his skill set.

He was top 2 basically for a long stretch there, so I think he will maintain status up there around top 5. He was this past season, I would say.

But I don’t know if he’s going to be willing to take the best contract the Chiefs might be willing to offer. Someone is probably going to offer him $20m APY.

Williams is not going to be a Chief. Somebody will outbid them, even if they bid.

I can't imagine they're even looking at him given the current state of affairs. Unless they know something about Fisher and just aren't saying (which I highly doubt).

The #Texans released starting center Nick Martin, saving $6.2M against the cap. The former second-round pick has started 62 out of a possible 64 games in his career.

Thoughts?

All over that.

He had a rough year but still us in his prime years. Definitely worth a peek.

Texans released C Nick Martin.
Houston's former second-round pick in 2016, Martin, the younger brother of Cowboys G Zack Martin, was signed to a three-year, $33 million contract two years ago that included $18.3 million guaranteed. The Texans will ultimately save $6.25 million against the cap by moving on, simultaneously losing its starting center in every game for the past three seasons. Martin, 27, is notably an above-average pass blocker but struggles creating holes in the running game. The organization could instead opt to shift starting right guard Zach Fulton to center moving forward.

Sounds like Reiter.

Just glad to see more options on the market.

That's a huge projection because he's nearly 33 years old, which is a point in which most offensive lineman are relegated to back up status, if not just outright retiring.

I'm sure some team will be dumb enough to give him a massive contract but I certainly hope it's not the Chiefs because the risk of significant injury is more likely after the age of 30 than before and you're projecting 5 years down the road at age 38.

The Chiefs certainly don't need the highest paid tackle in the league to win big, they just need an above average guy like Fisher.

Sounds like Q

:D

I posted it because it had more explanation, dick.

:D

He’s a poor mans Reiter.

If we’re signing a FA OL, Linsley would transform this line into a team strength right away by solidifying the middle of the OL and allowing us to run block the A gaps effectively for the first time in awhile. Plus, he’s just entering his prime and centers are the lowest paid OL and arguably the second most important.

Start the year...

Niang
Osemele
Linsley
LDT
Schwartz

After Fish returns

Fisher
Osemele
Linsley
Niang
Schwartz

Why even bother with Osemele? Just slide Niang down one spot to LG and call it good in that scenario. Allegreti can hold down the LG for a bit.

:whackit:

I'm not so thrilled about the idea of a 32 year guard as a starter, especially after blowing out all ligaments in both knees.

The dude will be lucky to play at a high level again.

Not a problem. I mean Fisher will be back in 6 months at 100% according to the Planet. All we need is more weapons.

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Agree. Same with LDT too. I’d rather roll with Allegretti. LDT can be depth. Well need it

You're gonna start this now?

Not everybody is going to get what they want. That's how the offseason works. Somebody always ends up disappointed. Hell, sometimes we ALL end up disappointed.

I think you're putting an awful lot of hope in the idea that Andy Reid is just going to give up on his very first draft pick as a Chief, especially when the guy has been a rock solid contributor until now. It was a freak injury and there's no indication at this point that it's going to be a long-term problem.

You've got your heart set on them taking a LT in the draft and you're so focused on it that if it doesn't happen, you're going to be bitter. In fact, as evidenced by the post I quoted, you're ALREADY bitter about it.

We don't even know if Osemele can still play and people are pencilling him in as a starter.

He’s gonna be cheap and has high upside. It might end in disaster with an injury but they’re gonna have to take some chances like that on the ol with the resources they have available

He Vp was hurt early enough to be able to recover in time to earn his way back on the field and will be vet min cheap...with the new rules, he’s free. I understand your concern but there’s a reason he’s penciled in and it’s not in ink. We’re going to be tight to the cap and a few moves like that need to happen and hit.

I think you bring back Osemele on another cheap deal if he clears a physical. But I think Alegretti is serviceable at LG.

Fisher's not likely ready to play in September. Mid-season at earliest is probably realistic. You hope Niang could fill in, but that's also a question mark. I really think this is the spot where you hope an older vet chasing a ring would come in, spell Fisher and then become your 6th man/swing tackle when Fisher's ready.

Schwartz expecting to be healthy is a big plus. The OT situation is much less scary.

I'd prefer to let Reiter and Wylie walk, they're just not good enough.

We need a Center and perhaps another guard. LDT is an okay starter.

I think getting a little better/more physical up front will keep defenses honest and we won't have to scheme around the talent deficiencies as much.

Bc God forbid we have a year like last year where we lose a shit ton of starters on the OL.

I’d bring this dude back on the PS and let him heal up. The guy was ****ing awesome at LG last year. Even if he was 75% of that he’s still a huge bonus to have for a cheap deal.

It seems to me that the 'blueprint to beat The Chiefs' has actually now been proven.

If you can get consistent pressure with 4 and cover with 7 you can give Mahomes fits.

We can't run the ball consistently to keep defenses honest.

If you can limit Hill and Kelce, and can score points yourself, you can beat The Chiefs.

There are two answers to the problem: a healthy and dangerous 'X' receiver to threaten defenses further.

Improved offensive line play. Not just from The Super Bowl, but overall, in general.

Additionally, we need another dynamic edge rusher to complement Jones and Clark.

It can all be done, and I trust Veach to do it.

Thats the formula to beat any Elite QB. You've gotta be able to protect vs 4.

Which is possible if we lose our entire offensive line.

Oh and you get aided by bullshit penalties.

So your plan to avoid having a ton of injuries on the OL this year is to feature an OL full of guys that are either coming off major surgeries or injury prone? Wut?

Fisher - surgery to fix achilles
Niang - surgery to fix hip labrum
LDT - injury prone the last 3 seasons before he opted out
Schwartz - surgery to fix his back

The absolute last thing this OL needs is to pencil in another dude that most likely won't make it through the season. Same goes with the draft. **** taking a prospect like Dickerson or Little. That'd be horrible.

Looks like he is working on right side technique. Not sure when this was filmed, and if it is relevant for next season, but interesting none the less.

First of all, you’re being a gigantic pussy about surgery. Niang had surgery in the Fall of 2019. He should be fine. Schwartz’s surgery is confirmed to not be a long timeline to recover.

Osemele wouldn’t be penciled in as a starter in my scenario, he’d be depth on the PS in case we ****ing lost tons of OL like last year and had no other options.

I agree with pretty much all of this.

T. Williams / Q. Meinerz / Allegretti / LDT / Schwartz
Niang / Osemele /D. Williams / /Remmers

Y. Durant practice squad

- Fisher released
- T Williams 1 year deal to ring chase
- Niang can compete at RG or sit and be a swing tackle year one
- Meinerz starts at any interior OL spot
- Osemele and Remmers veteran depth at reasonable price if young guys falter

Njoku will likely be a FA; could fit the Veach profile

Would LOVE that.

I’m really missing Chiefs football extra today, guys. Damn it sucks to wait through the offseason.

This team is going to have a better offensive line than 2020, an offseason to plan/practice using CEH more as a receiver (this one I’m REALLY excited about, DBs did not tackle him well at all when put in 1-on-1 situations), Willie Gay adding some real playmaking ability to the 2nd level, and hopefully they will add more reliable starters at WR2 & DE across from Clark.

With just a normal level of luck type of year in terms of injuries, I love our prospects.

I don’t know why, but I have VERY high hopes for DeAndre Baker lol.

I think he’s going to be the one that really takes off this year. I’m talking like, comeback player of the year type of performance.

If we don't draft Hunter Long, I'd be all in on this. Maybe even if we do; Keiser and RSJ are total nothingburgers.

See your second post. I'm not bitter about anything man. I just think it's silly for people to pencil Fisher in as a starter or a player that comes back for similar reasons I don't think Osemele will. These guys suffered serious injuries that take a long time to come back from.

I've been one of the top advocates for Eric Fisher on this board throughout his career. I think he's one of the best LTs in the game and highly underrated. That said, I'm not pinning hope to a 30-year-old LT coming back as the same player after an Achilles tear. Like I've said if he does you're paying him a hefty contract extension. If he doesn't come back or you're unwilling to pay that extension, you better be prepared to get a LT and that means moving up in the draft to get one (more than likely).

I'm more than open to other players/positions in the draft. I'm not going to be blind to the fact that Fisher tore his Achilles tendon. There is as much a chance it dooms his career as there is he comes back to form. And there's a higher chance it's somewhere in between, a year from now.

Additionally, adding more weapons doesn't fix the issues in the Super Bowl. Healthy offensive lineman do. Maybe all our hopes and prayers are answered. One fact remains though, and that fact is the number of free agents on the docket in 2022 on the OL. Some resources have to go there this year, one way or another.

Sooooo much this. His athletic profile and size is a perfect modern CB. He has big game experience in the SEC and his 1 half last year looked good. I think by Xmas at the latest he'll be our starting corner.

Baker, Sneed, and Ward with Fenton off the bench is pretty solid.

I hope we can resign him to a reasonable team-friendly contract.

He’s under contract for this year, signed a futures deal

Awesome.

The blueprint to beat the Chiefs is have backups playing almost every OL position with some playing spots they’ve not played as a pro. Make sure the DL KC is facing has 4 monsters that can quickly beat the backup OL. Have an assistant coach get a DUI and almost kill a couple kids leading up to the game. Make sure that even when KC is running at a 6 ypc clip, Andy decides to throw over and over. Make sure Mahomes has been dealing with turf toe so bad that it needs surgery soon as the game is over. Make sure KC’s receivers drop lots of passes that are hitting them in the hands and facemask. Make sure the refs allow the opposing team to mug and interfere with our players while calling every ticky tack penalty on the Chiefs defense. Make sure Andy and Spags don’t make any halftime adjustments. That’s the only blueprint. It was the perfect storm for TB. Add in that Bucs never had to travel for the game and KC flew in the day before the game, and that it was on the Bucs home field, with a storyline the league loves (Brady, first HFA SB), and the game wasn’t winnable. It’s not some magic scheme to shut us down, it was lots of luck and on an even playing field, KC wins that game.

Have not seen this said any better.

If Fischer would have played it would have been a better game for the chiefs

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One of the interesting things in here is where Matt Derrick lays out that a UDFA that reaches RFA and gets a tender is only a 1st or 2cd round tender that can be applied but the team will only receive a pick that is one round lesser than that. So if we put a 2cd round tender on Ward we would only get a 3rd round pick.

That's not how the upgraded tender rule works. He needs to be more clear than that.

Directly from the NFL:

The Chiefs do not have a player slotted to be tendered that fit the criteria to knock any other player lower than the tender they place on him.

That's all true.

It's also true that every game we've lost in the last two years (and struggled in last year's SB) were games in which the opposition was able to harass Mahomes with 4 rushers.

It's also true that often we were missing Fisher, or Watkins, or both; and it's further true that we will continue to be missing Fisher and most likely Watkins.

So you're not wrong, but there are some issues to address.

I live in the Tampa area, and I’m getting sick to death of the preening that they “figured out” the Chiefs. They exploited our temporary weakness, and props to their DL for taking advantage of an OL that was at its weakest point of the entire season. That’s what good teams do. They earned the Lombardi.

But I have to watch the local news every night where they act like they’re gonna win 5 Super Bowls in a row, that they have the unconquerable formula, that they’re a damn dynasty in the making, rather than a team that seized the moment. And while I get the high, I’m also getting ****ing perturbed by this. I hope to holy **** we get things squared away and come back with a vengeance.

This Super Bowl people say they won because the Chiefs O-line was decimated( their own defensive player). The other because they had the former HC of the other team. I imagine their own division calls them frauds/Brady cheats. Just to get under their skins. Tiresome to endure

What we also saw was Andy, and possibly Patrick to some extent, forcing an offensive game plan that wasn’t working.

Wonder what would have happened if Andy didn’t force the passing game.

If Andy’s head wasn’t all in the game, where was Bienemy?

Early 3rd it was clear...to me at least.

Very clear why he was passed over as a HC, great motivator but an average strategist

Is that the same for UDFA as it is for a DFA?

We actually don't know if we will continue to be missing Fisher. Hopefully we will hear something soon considering free agency starts in almost exactly 2 weeks.

That's just the thing.

We KNOW Osemele blew out not one but both knees. We know he was on injured reserve the entire year and was unable to play.

Other than an otherwise undisclosed Achilles injury and the fact Fisher didn't play in the Super Bowl, we know nothing at all. We don't know if he's had surgery, we don't even know if he needs surgery, we don't know if he'll be back, we don't if he'll even ever walk again. They've told us absolutely nothing.

Some people have chosen that silence to mean that it's the end of Eric Fisher. I tend to think the opposite - it's status quo until they tell us otherwise. If Fisher's future with the team were under consideration at all, I think they'd say something.

The silence more than likely mean they're working out a long-term deal, in which case the discussion for a first round OT is pretty much over.

Last time the team was this quiet it was Eric Berry.

They were quiet about Mitchell Schwartz all season and that seems to be turning out in the positive.

But of course, you do have a point. The Berry situation was inexcusable.

Back surgery for a OT in his 30s is not a positive.

When he says the recovery process is easy, quick, and he'll be back, there's absolutely no reason to think he's lying.

Purposefully lying? No. Overly hopeful? Perhaps.

I doubt it. The only person that would be hurt by that is him. There's really no reason for him to by overly hopeful unless the prognosis is reasonably good. He already has financial security for the rest of his life.

CP Medical Experts:

Schwartz - broke dick after first major injury, he's trash.
Osemele - both knees, extensive injury history, we sign him yet? He's going to start ahead of Allegretti and LDT....
Fisher - man we are ****ed, but lets extend him.

Veach just had a presser and mentioned the draft being really good at OL. I think we’re gonna draft one early and later.

Good.

He also said they expect Schwartz and Fisher back by training camp

It's March 1st, not April 1st.

Interesting.

Sounds like Sammy ain’t coming back

Even better.

Good.

The fatties are coming in April!!!!

I wouldn’t put much stock into what they say. Let actions determine

They could be present, but will they be active

Ol dl and lb seem to be prioritized if you wanna read into it