LMAOLMAOLMAO

Arrowhead is going away. It's just a matter of where the new stadium is going to be built.

Sorry, my issue is with his description of people in Chicago and his comparison to what the Chiefs might do. I’ll well aware of the SF transition which is obviously the closest comparison to what Chicago had planned to do.

I would like the Chiefs to stay at Arrowhead. Very, very badly. But if the economics don’t work and they get a better offer elsewhere, then it is what it is. Build a new awesome stadium and start new traditions. But I’m fairly confident the Kansas proposal is a lot of smoke and mirrors offered by people who don’t understand or care about the economics and just want to be the guys who brought the Chiefs over the border. If the project defaults in 10y and that has implications for the state of Kansas and/or the image of the Chiefs, they’ll likely either be long gone or have convenient amnesia as to their involvement. Welcome to politics.

The fact that some of you might actually take what they’re saying at face value is pure insanity. This is the height of all vanity projects. Economics be damned.

Your points make sense, but don't the last couple of sentences just describe building a stadium for your sports team perfectly?

For sure, but they’re selling it as something riskless with no consequences to anyone but the people financing it (that is, those buying the STAR bonds). And that’s not reality.

If these bonds were this amazing financing proposition, why wouldn’t Missouri or literally everywhere else be replicating the offer? Because it’s not as riskless and costless as the politicians - who probably don’t know or don’t care - purport it to be.

Counterfactual: some politicians in Jackson County come and say, “Voters, we can build this stadium for the Chiefs. You’ll risk nothing and lose no revenue. Would you vote ‘yes’ to that?” Of course they would. But it’s not accurate.

fI can appreciate that. At the surface level it's politicians pandering for your vote/dollar/sports team and you have to remember that. The average voter does not understand the financial implications of anything they vote on, period. The Royals started this whole push and proceeded to give D+ effort once they got the ball rolling. Chiefs threw in a C attempt at the end to drive votes.

We'll just have to see how swept up KS gets because it sure as shit got crushed in Jackson County on those poor proposals. I can't imagine the Chiefs or Royals or KS do much worse than what we say over the last year. I think they'll work to make this happen collectively, maybe that was the plan all along :shrug:

What?

You must not know shit about this ballot measure that did not pass.

I can't believe the consensus dumbass opinion in this thread is that the ballot measure was about the Chiefs and staying at Arrowhead.

It was about the Royals trying to get an early out of their lease, because Jackson County is the landlord, the dumbass Royals and their dumbass political consultants decided to have a public vote to approve of getting out of the lease instead of making a plan on the new Stadium and planning on negotiating out of the lease just based on goodwill and having a viable approved plan for the new stadium.

My belief that the Chiefs will end up in Kansas has next to nothing to do with what they're offering now. It's the utter incompetence (or outright hostility) of top people on the Jackson County side of things. A lot of things would have to change very fast for me to think Jackson County didn't already lose their chance voting through that first awful proposal.

Guys, I don't know if you know this, but rich people take much bigger risks than building a new stadium for a historical NFL team.

Well, this isn’t really accurate as it relates to STAR bonds. That is an atypical risk with no precedent for this type/scale of project without equity upside.

The “rich people” who buy the bonds don’t have any collateral backing it, nor do they have any claim on the Chiefs’ overall revenues. They only have a claim on the limited tax take in that very defined economic zone.

There’s a reason why this structure isn’t used to fund everything under the sun.

I know you really want that to be true.
I know you think people are just too stupid to understand.

I know that they swapped the field at Empower for 1 game for something like $500,000.

Rich people will do what rich people will do.

I’m not familiar with this Empower example. Can you provide more details so that I can explain why you shouldn’t use this individual instance to paint everything afterward in the same hand-wavey “rich people will do what they do”?

No.

It's really easy to find and whatever anger you're attempting to work through here can be done with Google.

Somebody tell me why the Chiefs would want to leave Arrowhead


*lists 20 reasons*


yeah but why would they want to leave???

Good. I found it. Let's have the discussion.

The Broncos owner spent 400k to replace the field before the final game of the season. He's worth 84bn dollars. He owns the team, and the team's value is impacted by the product he puts on the field. So if he puts a bad product on the field, the value of the franchise could easily go down by more than the 400k he spent to improve the field. That's a person's investing in his own business. That seems entirely reasonable.

STAR bonds on the other hand are a loan with no upside other than a coupon payment. And do you think it's primarily "rich people" who will be loaning that money? I seriously doubt it. I would expect it would be institutions - mutual funds, pension funds, hedge funds - who are largely sophisticated investors making decisions on behalf of their (end) investors who in many cases might be teachers, firefighters, whatever. No institution is going to buy these bonds just because "they're rich" and the Chiefs are a great football team.

There's no anger here. I'm just trying to explain to you how this works because "rich people get what they want from other rich people" isn't really how this would go down.

You keep saying it over and over and over again.

No big surprise but royals looking at KS too

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">UPDATE: With additional details as <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KSleg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KSleg</a> prepares for special session to include stadiums STAR Bond package. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FirstOnFox4?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FirstOnFox4</a> <a href="https://t.co/INMPb9IJV9">https://t.co/INMPb9IJV9</a></p>&mdash; John Holt (@JohnHoltNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/JohnHoltNews/status/1799512868653539391?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 8, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Year around tourism for a tiny stretch of Kansas.

I don't think they'll even need a chart or sharpies to pitch it.

At least the titty bar is safe! Really sticking it to the billionaire.

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Crossroads was lit last night

Haven't seen this posted on here today but it's creating some buzz. Mayor Q has said in the comments that he's not giving up, but a lot of people are taking it that way. He posted a whole thread on Twitter today with a few points, basically saying border wars are pointless and for the rest of his term he's keeping a "regional eye" on things and wants to support the entire Kansas City area and not just KCMO.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Maybe because I moved a lot growing up or went to school on State Line, but I can&#39;t do the whole Missouri v. Kansas thing. Kansas City&#39;s really one place, as all who live here know. We&#39;ll grow together long term and decline if we can&#39;t figure out how to grow the regional pie.</p>&mdash; Mayor Q (@QuintonLucasKC) <a href="https://twitter.com/QuintonLucasKC/status/1800188213564493953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

My reading of Mayor Q today: Royals go ahead and negotiate with Kansas, because we know that you want to be downtown and aren't particularly worried about you going there.

This morning it was revealed on Pete Mundo's show that the KS STAR bond in the upcoming legislative session is going to be ~$700 million for the Chiefs. That means the teams will have to pay a huge $ amount on their own. For comparison, The April 2 Question was Chiefs contributing about $300 million with Jackson Co. giving ~$1 billion over 40 years.

He's right

Exactly...

If Kansas can pull this off, they might very well earn becoming the Chiefs home State.

Tapout acknowledged

He’s yet to do anything positive for Kansas City but is beloved by a huge chunk of residents

Brainwashed

Like, if the STAR bonds are really that easy shouldn't they be drafting a competitive bid RIGHT NOW?

Instead he's saying things like we're all one and changing his hashtag from #KCMO to #KansasCity. It's all ONELOVE, now that you've lost.


I don't live in Kansas but it certainly is funny how his message is angling to be like somehow it's a victory that the Chiefs stay in the metro area, no thanks to him.

Yall lost the Chiefs and you're taking a victory lap. Third NFL team to leave the state. It should be humiliating for him and his cabinet. But he drove in KCK this weekend, so it's all good!

Missouri doesn’t have STAR bonds. They would need to first legislate them into existence.

Oh really? I didn't know that.


If it does end up at Legends imagine being a student at KU and you can drive 28 minutes down I-70 to go to the Chiefs game on Sunday and then just drive back. It would be incredible. I bet they'll have shuttles so people don't drink and drive. I'm jealous of young people just thinking about it. That bus would be LIT

well he is only the Mayor of Kansas City, Missouri and not Kansas City, Kansas. If he doesn't realize what Platte County missed out on by allowing the racetrack to end up in Kansas then maybe it's time for him to move on and let someone else do the job.

Mahomes will turn 36 the new stadium's first season. The fan base could be really spoiled and new stadium prices could be eye widening expensive. I hope Missouri doesn't want to follow the STAR bound model

He's a piece of shit who doesn't want his reputation tarnish by a dog fight, or really anything at all.

The racetrack, the American Royal, the Chiefs, the Royals, the lost tax income. Someone should tally up all the jobs and income loss over this full process just to put it all into perspective. Even if you're on the side of not paying for anything, he's a ****ing idiot for taking this stance. He's a mayor in Missouri, not a Mayor of some made up territory that crosses state lines.

He'll end up using this bullshit "regional" thing in a future campaign to make it look like he didn't take a fat L. He'll pack his bags and relocate anywhere he needs to if he can get a seat in DC. You can already hear the, "Back in KC we worked across all lines to make sure the whole region grew. Elect me and I'll make sure we do the same here in ....."

Not true. It could be as early as 2027 or 2028 for a new stadium. Breaking the lease at TSC is not expensive. If a deal is struck soon you can bet there will be dirt moved very quickly.

He's weasel shit. An absolute scumbag person and politician.

Sounds like a pipe dream.

They couldn't even get the AR complex rolled out correctly.

Completely different.

Ya, one is much simpler than the other. ... and it's a cluster****

The AR isn't the NFL.

Building an NFL stadium garners much more attention and has people at the highest level getting things done. Look how fast the speedway process came together and it came in under budget.

Missouri could still double their 5 Super Bowl titles? Cool

Chiefs only bill going to be on the ballot in November?

https://www.kctv5.com/2024/06/14/jac...outputType=amp

I like that, it's a good thing. The two teams need to sink or swim on their own and the Royals deal should 100% include Bally Sports providing all JACO residents free access to the games since whatever tax that's proposed will be paid in JACO. If they can't get the Royals downtown and back on TV "for free" (for at least JACO residents) I'm 100% OK with the Royals moving to Kansas.

Why are people convinced he’s a scumbag?

Smart move would be to not include Bally Sports in anything, as that's an entity that is an awful business partner (Go figure, for a child company of Sinclair Broadcasting).

Most recent update has the Bally/Diamond group claiming it can't provide the details of its agreements with distributors due to confidentiality agreements, and that the confidentiality agreements themselves are confidential.

Supposedly they have something worked out with Amazon but won't share any details about it.

People seem to think the TV/regional sports network issue is a Royals-only thing. It is not. There are about a dozen other MLB teams, and NHL and NBA teams, dealing with Bally's bullshit, too.

I do think that since the teams are separating locale, it makes sense to separate funding and what's happening for them. They have very different needs and wants.

I agree that Bally's sucks dirty monkey balls, but the Royals will have to work with them to fulfill what should be the requirement for the Royals to ensure JACO residents can watch on TV for free. But you are right, Bally's sucks.

I don’t know how you think that’s a realistic expectation. For two reasons.

First. When have the majority of Royals games EVER been available on TV for free to Jackson County residents?

That’s always been a cable package add-on of some sort, hasn’t it? Unless something existed in the 70s …

Second. Why would you think the Royals,
on their own, would be able to strong arm Bally’s into that when they have issues with several dozen other teams and in some cases literally defaulted on their contractual pay out?

I've never bought an add-on package and we used to get it when Google had TV services, so maybe it was part of that package. And it's a contract between the team and Bally's I think they very much can negotiate with them to air the services in certain markets. Just like sports teams can black-out games in the local area to entice people to come to games, they can ensure the games can be provided in certain markets in order to get a new stadium.

I'm not saying it'll happen because, I'm saying if they aren't willing to do that one thing, I'm OK if the Royals move to Kansas and let those people pay the taxes, I don't need them in JACO to be their fan. But alas, if the majority says they want them in JACO we'll just pay the tax and see if the owner develops around some new location unlike NOT developing around the current location. And that burns me up, we're going to pay huge coin to build him a stadium so he can develop around it to make even more money.

Why in the world do you think Bally’s would stop and negotiate with one team - in the #30 market - when they’re in the midst of these proceedings, losing money hand-over-fist, and their lawyers and contract people are trying to manage that whole mess?

They’re not negotiating anything new with any single team. They’re desperately trying to get out of/and or survive the contracts they DO have.

I’m sure the Royals would be willing to negotiate something like what you suggest with Bally’s. I would also be willing to negotiate Alexandra Daddario joining Mrs. Idaho and I in a throuple. Neither one of those things is based in reality.

Please let me know if this happens. Tia.

That and reading and reading the tea leaves I’m pretty sure Hunt would like a brand new stadium as soon as possible with more room for expansion and development around it. I’m fairly certain he loves Jerry World and the surrounding area’s activities.

You really don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to see how this might end. The Chiefs said the previous plan was the best they could do with the area around Arrowhead, people voted no and they accepted that and said they're going to look at other options now, and now this. I don't think they're going to go back to Frank White unless they absolutely have to.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Attorney representing <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> speaking to Kansas legislators encouraging them to revamp STAR bonds for stadium projects: &quot;Missouri spoke, Jackson County spoke, they had their opportunity.&quot;</p>&mdash; Dave D&#39;Marko (@DaveDMarko) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveDMarko/status/1802804950654910909?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Fair enough, no need to get emotional, let them move to JOCO or WYCO. The way I see it, it's one "tax" that might go away, but so far the Royals haven't shown me anything that's worth worrying about what side of the line they're on. If it takes them moving to KS to actually build something nice, go for it. If it's about what's around the stadium, well, we've seen how little the Royals owner is willing to invest in areas "around the park" in their current location.

And this is fine, the team is going to go where they milk the most out of the people who are hungry. I'm not saying JACO isn't, but in the grand scheme of things JACO gets shit from Jeff City while JOCO and WYCO are the only two counties all of Kansas seems to have to drop their pants for. IOW, I've heard the KG Governor chime-in very politically correctly on the effort, but it's key that KS is working the effort with Topeka in mind. Meanwhile I've heard nothing from Jeff City about how to keep MO teams in MO, Why? Because we're not St. Louis.

Perhaps after Missouri loses the Rams, Chiefs, and Royals they'll rethink how much the state wants Pro teams. Either way, if the Royals and Chiefs are in WYCO and/or JOCO, I can still attend all the games I want to and the citizens of KS can begin their journey with these teams.

Actually missed this tweet earlier. The Chiefs lawyer also said they are looking to build a $2 billion dome. First time someone representing the Chiefs has actually said that I believe.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Korb Maxwell, representing Chiefs, says they are estimating $2 billion cost for a new domed stadium. Also says they&#39;ll need several hundred acres to ensure at least 20,000 parking spaces to protect the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> tailgating culture.</p>&mdash; Dave D&#39;Marko (@DaveDMarko) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaveDMarko/status/1802814926375059897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 17, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Just ****ing LOL if both the Chiefs and Royals move to Kansas.

This is strange. From what I can gather online, this guy isn't actually a Chiefs lawyer in the sense that he's actively employed by the Chiefs. The Chiefs' lawyer is a guy named Christopher Shea.

This guy is a KC real estate lawyer that seems to be speaking on behalf of the Chiefs' potential possibilities in this situation rather than for the Chiefs in an official capacity. Any backstory on how he is legally representing the Chiefs?

Jackson County had their chance. They said no. It should surprise NO ONE that the Chiefs are exploring their options.

Yeah, but bullshit. Chiefs threw a one-time chance into the ring with a doomed Royals downtown stadium plan. They owe KC a second and better attempt.

Maybe they'll see what KS offers and see if MO can beat it?

They probably just retained him for this process. Their general counsel doesn't necessarily have deep real estate expertise.

It's worth noting that, as usual, this is a "Kansas" (State) vs. Jackson County fight. I'll hand it to the state of Kansas, they treat the Kansas area around Kansas City as very fertile poaching ground while Missouri pretty-much turns a blind eye to any area other than St. Louis. It's all good, I doubt I'll ever be a STH again, and if they move to the Kansas side of the line, the drive over there will still be shorter than when I drive to my Missouri-side international airport. When I do drive over for the occasional game, it'll be nice to sit in the comfort of a dome on a hot early-season game or a cold late-season game.

lol what other counties should Kansas be catering to?


Here's hoping the Chiefs move to Douglas County I would never stop laughing

Whatever counties Wichita and Topeka are in, but thanks for making my point. And why would you laugh, it's just a money game, who cares if the Chiefs move and end up in a stadium fitting of modern day football?

In-house legal teams aren't typically staffed up to cover ALL legal specialties. It would be expensive and inefficient.

So what they do instead is retain outside counsel who ARE specialized in areas, when and as needed.

In-house attorneys will have some specialties of their own, but depending on the size of the legal team may still outsource a big part of work that they COULD do. An in-house attorney/legal team is going to operate more like a CEO than anything else.

From what they said on the radio (a couple of times), it would be a retractable roof dome.

Sedgewick and Shawnee.

Wichita or Topeka would be horrible places for the Chiefs.

Hadn't heard that. Sounded like everything was just "dome" from what I read and heard. Glad to hear this at least, although as stated I wish it were just open air. Force the decision to play games in cold weather which I think is a significant advantage for the Chiefs.

I admit that I'm skimming but there isn't a person in Kansas, including those that live in Topeka or Wichita or any other meaningless city west of Clinton Lake or south of Olathe that believes for one nano second that the Chiefs would move there.




First, this isn't happening. Second, why would they? Last season people lost fingers and toes. **** that.

And they won. They then went on the road and won 2 more cold weather games. People that lost fingers need to be less stupid. I was at the game and even tailgated before with my family. We were all fine. The Dolphins stood zero chance in that weather and it was awesome.

They don't "owe" anything to JaCo. Their responsibility is to make money and they are now a free agent.

JaCo has been very good to the Chiefs for 60 years. If the Chiefs want to turn around and say **** you to the largest county in KC and the state off Missouri overall they obviously have that choice. But it would be pretty shitty.

Is it even a question anymore that they sandbagged the proposal? Everything they've done and said recently indicates they want a new stadium.

Voters said they were fine with the team leaving the county.

Elections have consequences.

I wish they hadn't. But if voters turn around and give the Chiefs exactly what they asked for a few months later, only cutting out the Royals, why would the Chiefs reject that? If they just wanted out no matter what they already knew Kansas would build them a dome.

I think it's a question. There was a general belief that the measure was going to pass in April until right before the election when it became clear it was a fight. If the Chiefs for sure wanted out, they took a pretty big risk.

Really stupid people lost fingers and toes and it was a microscopic number compared to the number of people who attended that game. You don't need to take away what football is supposed to be (a game played in the elements with wind, rain, snow, cold, and heat) to appease the few dumb ****s that don't know how to dress for extremely cold temperatures.

This is some truefan nonsense, I'm sorry to say. Winters aren't going to get LESS extreme moving forward.


It isn't even a question by the way. Roof=Superbowl end of argument.




And we would have kicked the shit out of the Dolphins no matter what. Cold weather didn't win that game, Mahomes and the defense did.


Just let this go. Freezing your ass off for some kind of advantage is going away. Get used to it.

Yes let's wreck the game experience so we can host a Super Bowl once every quarter century. "End of argument" my ass. If the Packers can play without a roof in Green Bay ****ing Wisconsin we can sure as hell do it in KC.

Wreck the game experience lmao

Eh, I may be a little extreme on that, but I've been to a football game in a dome and the atmosphere was not as good as outdoors.

To be clear when I say the argument is over, I don't mean the argument of whether the dome ruins the gameday experience. If you think freezing your ass off is part of it, I'm not arguing that.

What I'm saying is if Clark is faced with the option of "have a Super Bowl in KC" vs. "keep the game day experience of Jackson County residents getting absolutely blasted so they don't feel the cold anymore and/or doing a piss luge in the bathroom" well you can go ahead and bet your last dollar the Chiefs will have a new stadium with a retractable roof.

Don't worry you can still lose fingers and toes in the parking lot and they can also open the roof to make Dolphins players uncomfortably below 60 degrees.