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Rausch 12-13-2024 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17855290)
So they think because of his hands he would be a right tackle? Seems more like he’s not a round one prospect so they’re hedging. Fair enough though. I see people wanting to move him to guard all the time. He’s not built like a guard at all imo. And LT and RT aren’t all that different anymore that’s why I asked what made you think that.

Pass rushers move all over the line now but the guy you can see getting beat is a lot better than the guy you can't see getting beat. You'd still prefer to have the better guy cover the QB's blind side.

xztop123 12-13-2024 03:35 PM

What the heck

UteChief 12-13-2024 03:45 PM

So is this dude starting Sunday?

Hammock Parties 12-13-2024 05:18 PM

:eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� LEFT TACKLE UPDATE ��<br><br>“I think there is a 70% chance that Joe Thuney will start at left tackle on Sunday along with Mike Caliendo at left guard, just for one game.”<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheFan965?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheFan965</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/FourGuysInABar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FourGuysInABar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkPrimeTime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TalkPrimeTime</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BowTieSports_18?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BowTieSports_18</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsInsider?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChiefsInsider</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1867702410506092974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

FloridaMan88 12-13-2024 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17855615)
:eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� LEFT TACKLE UPDATE ��<br><br>“I think there is a 70% chance that Joe Thuney will start at left tackle on Sunday along with Mike Caliendo at left guard, just for one game.”<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheFan965?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheFan965</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/FourGuysInABar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FourGuysInABar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkPrimeTime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TalkPrimeTime</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BowTieSports_18?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BowTieSports_18</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsInsider?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChiefsInsider</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1867702410506092974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is better than signing Donovan Smith?

Which should have happened weeks ago.

Kman34 12-13-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17855615)
:eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� LEFT TACKLE UPDATE ��<br><br>“I think there is a 70% chance that Joe Thuney will start at left tackle on Sunday along with Mike Caliendo at left guard, just for one game.”<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheFan965?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheFan965</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/FourGuysInABar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FourGuysInABar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkPrimeTime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TalkPrimeTime</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BowTieSports_18?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BowTieSports_18</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsInsider?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChiefsInsider</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1867702410506092974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Hmmmmm..

Bl00dyBizkitz 12-13-2024 06:21 PM

Dude what the **** is going on?

Bearcat 12-13-2024 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17855665)
Dude what the **** is going on?

Someone on twitter has no idea, but wanted some attention.

Coochie liquor 12-13-2024 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by nicksdad (Post 17855163)
Think Dorsey did thus and I g he see read here that he sucks so ….

As you can see he’s paying off dividends in Detroit now.

Bowser 12-13-2024 07:23 PM

Have a lineup with a sixth OL starting at tackle eligible all game, and have that guy follow Garret on whichever side he lines up on. Not even joking.

Megatron96 12-13-2024 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17855715)
Have a lineup with a sixth OL starting at tackle eligible all game, and have that guy follow Garret on whichever side he lines up on. Not even joking.



It's going to be difficult to watch Thuney on an island with Garrett. But we know this will happen a few times. Just hoping we don't compound the problem by asking Pat to stand back there and go through more than 2 reads.

Kman34 12-13-2024 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17855715)
Have a lineup with a sixth OL starting at tackle eligible all game, and have that guy follow Garret on whichever side he lines up on. Not even joking.

Makes more sense than having a TE stay in and help block..

dlphg9 12-13-2024 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17855615)
:eek:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">�� LEFT TACKLE UPDATE ��<br><br>“I think there is a 70% chance that Joe Thuney will start at left tackle on Sunday along with Mike Caliendo at left guard, just for one game.”<br><br>Per, <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/TheFan965?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheFan965</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/FourGuysInABar?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FourGuysInABar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/TalkPrimeTime?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TalkPrimeTime</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BowTieSports_18?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BowTieSports_18</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsInsider?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ChiefsInsider</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1867702410506092974?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I bet Morris is going to be the starter. During the Chargers game on the most important drive of the game and put Wanya in.

New World Order 12-13-2024 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17855715)
Have a lineup with a sixth OL starting at tackle eligible all game, and have that guy follow Garret on whichever side he lines up on. Not even joking.

Agreed. Just run the ball and PA them to death

UChieffyBugger 12-13-2024 10:30 PM

I'm listening to Nate talk on the podcast right now and all he did was speculate that "I didn't see Thuney much this week which leaves me to wonder whether he was off learning another position he's not used to?"

Like someone said above If Thuney was the guy he would have moved to LT against the Chargers when DJ went down.

Imo it will be Morris that starts and Thuney as his backup if things go like it did against the Raiders. Andy needs to run the ball to keep em guessing, give Morris chip help and let's go win a damn game.

Hammock Parties 12-13-2024 11:18 PM

I'm actually excited about this. When you force Andy to play one handed he simplifies things. Bet the Chiefs just line up a TE next to the LT all day and give Garrett no chance.

This weekend will be a coaching masterclass from Andy Reid.

FringeNC 12-14-2024 09:32 AM

I bet it is Thuney at LT. We need to know if that is a legit option for the playoffs if DJ doesn't work out.

VAChief 12-14-2024 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17855842)
I'm actually excited about this. When you force Andy to play one handed he simplifies things. Bet the Chiefs just line up a TE next to the LT all day and give Garrett no chance.

This weekend will be a coaching masterclass from Andy Reid.

I'm not sure we have that tight end on this roster. This is where having a guy like a Jason Dunn is helpful.

The help they have been giving (other than Perine, who sacrificed his body) has largely been just chipping at best, and not the effective chipping that really slows guys down.

I'm all for using a tight end (would prefer some 6 OL sets) if they practice actually what their blocking roles are. So far it has looked like "ole" and off I go to run a contested route.

Kman34 12-14-2024 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 17855964)
I'm not sure we have that tight end on this roster. This is where having a guy like a Jason Dunn is helpful.

The help they have been giving (other than Perine, who sacrificed his body) has largely been just chipping at best, and not the effective chipping that really slows guys down.

I'm all for using a tight end (would prefer some 6 OL sets) if they practice actually what their blocking roles are. So far it has looked like "ole" and off I go to run a contested route.

Yeah Andy’s idea of TE help is bump and go to your route. The game plan they had for the 49ers bosa a couple of years ago was good.. Cut blocks , quick passes and run right at him… Nosa was frustrated…

RunKC 12-14-2024 11:19 AM

Officially out tomorrow

DCTwister 12-14-2024 12:02 PM

Get ready for a lot of running plays… 13-6 Chiefs win.

BWillie 12-14-2024 12:09 PM

I don't really even want Mahomes to play in this game. I am that concerned about his safety. So run the ball and when we do pass max protect and run him away from Garrett.

SHOWTIME 12-14-2024 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17856040)
I don't really even want Mahomes to play in this game. I am that concerned about his safety. So run the ball and when we do pass max protect and run him away from Garrett.

Or have Kelce/Gray and Thuney double team Garrett on every play...just take him out of the game altogether.

Kman34 12-14-2024 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17856040)
I don't really even want Mahomes to play in this game. I am that concerned about his safety. So run the ball and when we do pass max protect and run him away from Garrett.

Don’t be a pussy…

Chief Pagan 12-14-2024 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 17855822)
I'm listening to Nate talk on the podcast right now and all he did was speculate that "I didn't see Thuney much this week which leaves me to wonder whether he was off learning another position he's not used to?"

Like someone said above If Thuney was the guy he would have moved to LT against the Chargers when DJ went down.

Imo it will be Morris that starts and Thuney as his backup if things go like it did against the Raiders. Andy needs to run the ball to keep em guessing, give Morris chip help and let's go win a damn game.

Given his injury history, even if Morris is the starter, if Thuney is the backup having him practice LT all week sounds like a good idea. I mean he doesn't really need practice at guard.

JimNasium 12-14-2024 12:56 PM

Put an extra lineman on his side and just beat the shit out of him all game. Maybe he starts making some business decisions.

-King- 12-14-2024 01:00 PM

This is a crazy stretch of pass rushers. We literally face one of the top 5 pass rushers in the league every week for the rest of the regular season. If we don't give whoever the LT is help every week, then yeah Mahomes will get killed

siberian khatru 12-14-2024 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SHOWTIME (Post 17856041)
Or have Kelce/Gray and Thuney double team Garrett on every play...just take him out of the game altogether.

Just dive at his knees every play, eventually he’ll get so pissed off he’ll start a fight and get himself ejected.

New World Order 12-14-2024 01:06 PM

Are the browns nice?

Maybe they will let Myles Garrett rest for tomorrow’s game.

That would be the nice thing to do

Spott 12-14-2024 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17856073)
This is a crazy stretch of pass rushers. We literally face one of the top 5 pass rushers in the league every week for the rest of the regular season. If we don't give whoever the LT is help every week, then yeah Mahomes will get killed

This is probably asking a lot, but maybe Reid will decide to actually use that one two punch of Pacheco and Hunt to offset the pass rush.

TEX 12-14-2024 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 17856040)
I don't really even want Mahomes to play in this game. I am that concerned about his safety. So run the ball and when we do pass max protect and run him away from Garrett.

I get it.

DRM08 12-14-2024 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17856073)
This is a crazy stretch of pass rushers. We literally face one of the top 5 pass rushers in the league every week for the rest of the regular season. If we don't give whoever the LT is help every week, then yeah Mahomes will get killed

If nothing else, it is good preparation for the Playoffs.

Dunerdr 12-14-2024 01:50 PM

A lot of speculation. We could just quick pass and run and take him out of the game. Mahomes throws when he hits the back of his drop or he gets killed. It’s really a pretty simple solution. He’s going to have to trust his receivers to win.

bobhill 12-14-2024 02:03 PM

Forget wonya , start Driscoll

MahomesMagic 12-14-2024 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimNasium (Post 17856069)
Put an extra lineman on his side and just beat the shit out of him all game. Maybe he starts making some business decisions.


How about Driscoll and Wanya together at left tackle?


;)

Rausch 12-14-2024 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 17856169)
How about Driscoll and Wanya together at left tackle?


;)

Might as well just roll with 3 tackles instead of 2 TE's.

VAChief 12-19-2024 09:12 PM

Any updates on his hammy?

T-post Tom 12-19-2024 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 17865832)
Any updates on his hammy?

No idea, but I’m suddenly driving to Denny’s.

https://www.tabasco.com/wp-content/u...anded_16-9.png

ThaVirus 12-19-2024 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17853320)
Not to change the subject here but I agree with what DJ said during the GDT. Mahomes is missing guys and hurting the OL. He’s gotta get rid of the ball instead of holding it too long.

Perfect example here. Watson wide open and Mahomes just nerfs it. Gotta fire that pass Patrick.

They’ll fix it

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the play Mahomes mentions in the presser, too. Talked about hitting Kelce and just seeing what happens, but if Mahomes gets a tick longer, Watson breaks open on the dig route behind Kelce, which I think is the intention of the play. I talk about it more tonight on RGR! <a href="https://t.co/PfJxPSlFRK">https://t.co/PfJxPSlFRK</a> <a href="https://t.co/sCO9esGZVk">pic.twitter.com/sCO9esGZVk</a></p>&mdash; Daniel Harms�� (@InHarmsWay19) <a href="https://twitter.com/InHarmsWay19/status/1866926442929393984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 11, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Barf

-King- 12-19-2024 09:44 PM

I imagine they'll hold 1 practice/walk through next week if they practice at all. Is it safe to say that DJ probably isn't playing next week either? So best case scenario is he plays once more game before the playoffs? That's wild.

TheGuardian 12-19-2024 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17865912)
I imagine they'll hold 1 practice/walk through next week if they practice at all. Is it safe to say that DJ probably isn't playing next week either? So best case scenario is he plays once more game before the playoffs? That's wild.

He won't play this weekend. So at best he'll play against the Steelers.

-King- 12-19-2024 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian (Post 17865915)
He won't play this weekend. So at best he'll play against the Steelers.

That's what I'm talking about. They'll likely have 1 practice max between after this game before the Steelers game. Is that going to be enough for him to play after not practicing at all for 2 weeks?

TheGuardian 12-19-2024 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17865923)
That's what I'm talking about. They'll likely have 1 practice max between after this game before the Steelers game. Is that going to be enough for him to play after not practicing at all for 2 weeks?

Steelers then Donkeys. Two games then the playoffs.

Errrr I dunno bro

staylor26 12-19-2024 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 17865923)
That's what I'm talking about. They'll likely have 1 practice max between after this game before the Steelers game. Is that going to be enough for him to play after not practicing at all for 2 weeks?

It doesn't necessarily mean that at all. Teams hold guys out all of the time to bring them back for the second game game on a short week. I don't think they're too concerned with practice time considering how fast they threw him out there the first time.

Dunerdr 12-19-2024 10:24 PM

Saw somewhere maybe James Palmer? Said that they expect him st start in pitt

Hammock Parties 12-19-2024 10:26 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> expect LT D.J. Humphries to be ready for Christmas Day vs the Steelers, barring any setbacks, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on Only Weird Games.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCSN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KCSN</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/bI0L6bY9Bl">pic.twitter.com/bI0L6bY9Bl</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1869891106173006258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

-King- 12-19-2024 10:30 PM

Cool :thumb:

BossChief 12-19-2024 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17866026)
It doesn't necessarily mean that at all. Teams hold guys out all of the time to bring them back for the second game game on a short week. I don't think they're too concerned with practice time considering how fast they threw him out there the first time.

Good call.
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17866038)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> expect LT D.J. Humphries to be ready for Christmas Day vs the Steelers, barring any setbacks, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on Only Weird Games.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCSN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KCSN</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/bI0L6bY9Bl">pic.twitter.com/bI0L6bY9Bl</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1869891106173006258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Lfg

BWillie 12-20-2024 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17866038)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> expect LT D.J. Humphries to be ready for Christmas Day vs the Steelers, barring any setbacks, per <a href="https://twitter.com/ByNateTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ByNateTaylor</a> on Only Weird Games.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KCSN?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KCSN</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/bI0L6bY9Bl">pic.twitter.com/bI0L6bY9Bl</a></p>&mdash; KC Sports Network (@KCSportsNetwork) <a href="https://twitter.com/KCSportsNetwork/status/1869891106173006258?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I am aroused

Dunerdr 12-20-2024 09:00 AM

And Nates never been wrong so this is good news!

tyreekthefreak 12-20-2024 09:14 AM

It could have been rust but Humphries didn't impress me at all the game he played. Thuneys play this week will determine alot, in my eyes anyway. They'll probably give Humphries the last two games to show he is better than Thuney. If not, start Thuney at LT!

xztop123 12-20-2024 09:17 AM

Getting annoyed with all the talk show guys saying we’re below average offense without mahomes.

We have brown coming back and may have fixed our left tackle issues. Why don’t they bring this up? Do they even know?

xztop123 12-20-2024 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 17866178)
It could have been rust but Humphries didn't impress me at all the game he played. Thuneys play this week will determine alot, in my eyes anyway. They'll probably give Humphries the last two games to show he is better than Thuney. If not, start Thuney at LT!

Dj played amazing compared to the other options.

Dunerdr 12-20-2024 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 17866178)
It could have been rust but Humphries didn't impress me at all the game he played. Thuneys play this week will determine alot, in my eyes anyway. They'll probably give Humphries the last two games to show he is better than Thuney. If not, start Thuney at LT!

LOL no. Thuneys not an answer long term. He had a good first half because he poked Garrett in the eye and he missed the second quarter. When he came back it was pretty much what its been all season. Our offense was terrible in the second half. Thuneys not the answer, he's a stop gap.

DJ's left nut 12-20-2024 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17866181)
Dj played amazing compared to the other options.

If his jersey said "Morris" on the back, people would've barbecued him for that Chargers game.

No, he was nothing resembling 'amazing'. He got better as the game went on and looked okay in the 2nd half before getting hurt. But he was getting beat up in that first half.

Is there reasonable hope that it was just rust and he'll improve? Of course -- but lets not go saying things that just aren't true. He gave up 5 pressures in 44 pass reps - that's NOT amazing. Morris only gave up more than 5 pressures in a single game this season. He had maybe 2 games that were as rough as Humphries game this year -- the LV game (obviously) and the TB game.

Thuney wasn't a fix. Humphries wasn't an obvious improvement over what we got from Morris for about 90% of the season.

This team needs to find improvement beyond merely LT. DJ Humphries will NOT be a panacea. There are issues all over this offense.

DJ's left nut 12-20-2024 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyreekthefreak (Post 17866178)
It could have been rust but Humphries didn't impress me at all the game he played. Thuneys play this week will determine alot, in my eyes anyway. They'll probably give Humphries the last two games to show he is better than Thuney. If not, start Thuney at LT!

God almighty, the takes are getting worse.

Did nobody WATCH that game? Thuney was getting mauled.

No, Thuney is not a left tackle.

Dunerdr 12-20-2024 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866202)
God almighty, the takes are getting worse.

Did nobody WATCH that game? Thuney was getting mauled.

No, Thuney is not a left tackle.

I don't recall him ever getting instantly beat like Morris did with he swipe. But he had more help or at least it seemed that way.

DJ's left nut 12-20-2024 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17866207)
I don't recall him ever getting instantly beat like Morris did with he swipe. But he had more help or at least it seemed that way.

Right - he was getting a TON of help that Morris wasn't getting.

Morris appears to have gone to that single set/punch because he was desperately trying to protect that outside shoulder as he wasn't getting a ton of help and was struggling with mobility because of his knee.

Had we tried to throw the layers of protection help at his assignment that Thuney was getting, it would've looked a lot better for him because even when he loses on that swipe, if there's help to his outside he'll have time to re-set and re-engage.

He just wasn't getting that. Nor was Kingsley.

Now I do agree that Thuney's floor is probably higher than Morris's. Thuney's bad days aren't going to be much worse than we saw Sunday. Morris's bad days (the two Raiders games most obviously) are catastrophic.

But I don't think we're comparing apples to apples in a lot of ways.

TEX 12-20-2024 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17866180)
Getting annoyed with all the talk show guys saying we’re below average offense without mahomes.

We have brown coming back and may have fixed our left tackle issues. Why don’t they bring this up? Do they even know?

Gotta show something first.

Snerd 12-20-2024 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17866195)
LOL no. Thuneys not an answer long term. He had a good first half because he poked Garrett in the eye and he missed the second quarter. When he came back it was pretty much what its been all season. Our offense was terrible in the second half. Thuneys not the answer, he's a stop gap.

Maybe he can just keeping poking guys in the eye? Gotta think outside the box here.

Shields68 12-20-2024 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866212)
Right - he was getting a TON of help that Morris wasn't getting.

Morris appears to have gone to that single set/punch because he was desperately trying to protect that outside shoulder as he wasn't getting a ton of help and was struggling with mobility because of his knee.

Had we tried to throw the layers of protection help at his assignment that Thuney was getting, it would've looked a lot better for him because even when he loses on that swipe, if there's help to his outside he'll have time to re-set and re-engage.

He just wasn't getting that. Nor was Kingsley.

Now I do agree that Thuney's floor is probably higher than Morris's. Thuney's bad days aren't going to be much worse than we saw Sunday. Morris's bad days (the two Raiders games most obviously) are catastrophic.

But I don't think we're comparing apples to apples in a lot of ways.

Your not comparing apples to apples because no one is handling Myles one on one He is going to be a focile point of the pass protection schemes on the day. You are going to go into the game planning to help against him.

The Raiders your going to plan to help against Crosby not Clausen who has 1.5 sacks in the other 10 games this season. Any game plan is going to try and handle a guy that basically has no sacks coming into the game without help.

Dunerdr 12-20-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866212)
Right - he was getting a TON of help that Morris wasn't getting.

Morris appears to have gone to that single set/punch because he was desperately trying to protect that outside shoulder as he wasn't getting a ton of help and was struggling with mobility because of his knee.

Had we tried to throw the layers of protection help at his assignment that Thuney was getting, it would've looked a lot better for him because even when he loses on that swipe, if there's help to his outside he'll have time to re-set and re-engage.

He just wasn't getting that. Nor was Kingsley.

Now I do agree that Thuney's floor is probably higher than Morris's. Thuney's bad days aren't going to be much worse than we saw Sunday. Morris's bad days (the two Raiders games most obviously) are catastrophic.

But I don't think we're comparing apples to apples in a lot of ways.

A part of me would actually like to have seen Kingsley get that kind of help and see if he grew into the role with less help over time. But we will never know.

DJ's left nut 12-20-2024 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17866226)
A part of me would actually like to have seen Kingsley get that kind of help and see if he grew into the role with less help over time. But we will never know.

Yeah, i think it was Crow that made that point well.

Where we are in the competitive cycle extends beyond our draft position. So many people say "Well we can't get X because we never draft that high..."

And the point was made, correctly, that the bigger issue with where we've drafted is the amount of development rope we can give to guys. If we were the Lions when they were shitty, we send Kingsley out there to take his lumps and get better.

Those bad teams have a slight advantage in draft position, yes. But they have an even BIGGER advantage in developmental rope. They can let their raw rookies get beat up and learn. We cannot.

Dunerdr 12-20-2024 10:48 AM

That is a fantastic point. And an un recognized part of what makes sustained success so damn hard.

DJ's left nut 12-20-2024 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dunerdr (Post 17866248)
That is a fantastic point. And an un recognized part of what makes sustained success so damn hard.

Though that sort of thing might be a little easier if you wouldn't take that rookie, throw him into the deepest end of the pool and then not even consider tossing him a life preserver...

I mean I get that it's hard to break in a rookie. But trying to do that at LT and not doing anything to your offense to help was...not great.

Feels like they had a better idea with Fisher -- put him at RT and work him up slowly. Give him a little help from the TE set on the strong side. Have him be in a spot where the QB can see him a little easier.

Maaaaaybe tossing untested guys into the LT spot was a poor decision and something of an unforced error even despite our desires to contend. Could've put Taylor over at LT and Kingsley/Morris at RT and things wouldn't have been nearly so rocky, IMO.

htismaqe 12-20-2024 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866251)
Though that sort of thing might be a little easier if you wouldn't take that rookie, throw him into the deepest end of the pool and then not even consider tossing him a life preserver...

I mean I get that it's hard to break in a rookie. But trying to do that at LT and not doing anything to your offense to help was...not great.

Feels like they had a better idea with Fisher -- put him at RT and work him up slowly. Give him a little help from the TE set on the strong side. Have him be in a spot where the QB can see him a little easier.

Maaaaaybe tossing untested guys into the LT spot was a poor decision and something of an unforced error even despite our desires to contend. Could've put Taylor over at LT and Kingsley/Morris at RT and things wouldn't have been nearly so rocky, IMO.

It goes back to your previous post. They drafted Fisher #1 overall after a 2-14 season. They had plenty of room to experiment and bring him along slowly. They don't have that now.

pugsnotdrugs19 12-20-2024 10:57 AM

The burden of our expectations and success also sets us up to continue it even further.

You can't tell me that it doesn't benefit this team to have to take on the best efforts of their opponents week after week. It just sharpens the iron. They aren't ever going to be taken back by "playoff speed" and getting an opponent's full focus for four quarters; it's a weekly guarantee for them unlike it is for any other franchise.

I see it as the gift that keeps on giving, a nice revolving cycle. A bit exhausting, but wouldn't have it any other way and ultimately it's why they will threepeat.

bobhill 12-20-2024 11:04 AM

Whos playing tackle this weekend?

VAChief 12-20-2024 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866251)
Though that sort of thing might be a little easier if you wouldn't take that rookie, throw him into the deepest end of the pool and then not even consider tossing him a life preserver...

I mean I get that it's hard to break in a rookie. But trying to do that at LT and not doing anything to your offense to help was...not great.

Feels like they had a better idea with Fisher -- put him at RT and work him up slowly. Give him a little help from the TE set on the strong side. Have him be in a spot where the QB can see him a little easier.

Maaaaaybe tossing untested guys into the LT spot was a poor decision and something of an unforced error even despite our desires to contend. Could've put Taylor over at LT and Kingsley/Morris at RT and things wouldn't have been nearly so rocky, IMO.

Yes, I don't get why they realize they need to provide help when Thuney is in and not Morris or anyone else. They left Kingsley alone the most. Made no sense to me.

I am surprised they didn't think about moving Taylor over too. Seems less drastic than putting a squat (albeit elite) guard over there.

dlphg9 12-20-2024 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17866181)
Dj played amazing compared to the other options.

Lol what? He was pretty much dog shit in the first half and got his ass beat over and over.

dlphg9 12-20-2024 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866251)
Though that sort of thing might be a little easier if you wouldn't take that rookie, throw him into the deepest end of the pool and then not even consider tossing him a life preserver...

I mean I get that it's hard to break in a rookie. But trying to do that at LT and not doing anything to your offense to help was...not great.

Feels like they had a better idea with Fisher -- put him at RT and work him up slowly. Give him a little help from the TE set on the strong side. Have him be in a spot where the QB can see him a little easier.

Maaaaaybe tossing untested guys into the LT spot was a poor decision and something of an unforced error even despite our desires to contend. Could've put Taylor over at LT and Kingsley/Morris at RT and things wouldn't have been nearly so rocky, IMO.

Yeah never understood why Taylor wasn't moved to LT. I'm still not sure why they think Thuney is a better option at LT than Taylor is.

htismaqe 12-20-2024 11:36 AM

Moving Taylor would have just resulted in Kingsley or Wanya starting at RT. They would have had a hole either way.

They're trying to do this with the least amount of shuffling possible.

Balto 12-20-2024 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17866293)
Moving Taylor would have just resulted in Kingsley or Wanya starting at RT. They would have had a hole either way.

They're trying to do this with the least amount of shuffling possible.

At least that hole would not have been on Pats blind side!

RunKC 12-20-2024 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17866254)
It goes back to your previous post. They drafted Fisher #1 overall after a 2-14 season. They had plenty of room to experiment and bring him along slowly. They don't have that now.

Hopefully they go Denver with nothing to play for and experiment with Kingsley and Wanya.

Put Wanya at RG and Kingsley at LT and see what you have. And pray for Carson Wentz

Hammock Parties 12-20-2024 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17866309)
Hopefully they go Denver with nothing to play for and experiment with Kingsley and Wanya.

Put Wanya at RG and Kingsley at LT and see what you have. And pray for Carson Wentz

Yeah this will actually be an interesting Week 18. Lot of roster rabble that needs to prove something. DL, CB. Hand the battle to Steele 20 times.

dannybcaitlyn 12-20-2024 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17866309)
Hopefully they go Denver with nothing to play for and experiment with Kingsley and Wanya.

Put Wanya at RG and Kingsley at LT and see what you have. And pray for Carson Wentz

Might as well try Driskell. Nothing to lose.

Snerd 12-20-2024 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17866251)
Though that sort of thing might be a little easier if you wouldn't take that rookie, throw him into the deepest end of the pool and then not even consider tossing him a life preserver...

I mean I get that it's hard to break in a rookie. But trying to do that at LT and not doing anything to your offense to help was...not great.

Feels like they had a better idea with Fisher -- put him at RT and work him up slowly. Give him a little help from the TE set on the strong side. Have him be in a spot where the QB can see him a little easier.

Maaaaaybe tossing untested guys into the LT spot was a poor decision and something of an unforced error even despite our desires to contend. Could've put Taylor over at LT and Kingsley/Morris at RT and things wouldn't have been nearly so rocky, IMO.

Yeah, I was surprised they didn't try that. They must REALLY feel that Taylor isn't the answer (even temporarily) at LT.

dlphg9 12-20-2024 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 17866293)
Moving Taylor would have just resulted in Kingsley or Wanya starting at RT. They would have had a hole either way.

They're trying to do this with the least amount of shuffling possible.

I mean he should have started the season or hell should have started last season.

It might have been easier for Morris or Kingsley to play RT and at least Mahomes doesn't have people coming from his blind side.

New World Order 12-20-2024 12:50 PM

Never seen so much hype over one player end so soon

UChieffyBugger 12-20-2024 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19 (Post 17866257)
The burden of our expectations and success also sets us up to continue it even further.

You can't tell me that it doesn't benefit this team to have to take on the best efforts of their opponents week after week. It just sharpens the iron. They aren't ever going to be taken back by "playoff speed" and getting an opponent's full focus for four quarters; it's a weekly guarantee for them unlike it is for any other franchise.

I see it as the gift that keeps on giving, a nice revolving cycle. A bit exhausting, but wouldn't have it any other way and ultimately it's why they will threepeat.

We also get a lot of stand alone games in prime time which I think is great for the playoffs. When you perform when all eyes are on you those are great reps to have in the bank. One huge moment last season was the team flying to Germany, doing all those press conferences, training in a different facility, playing in a building with split fanbases etc. That was a mini superbowl experience imo which was great preparation for the guys.


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