I can't speak for them but I'd suppose they'd take Sanchez at #3, not Freeman.

As for the Ravens, Flacco was projected as a second rounder and Baltimore gave up picks to get him in the first.

I think if a team identifies a pick as "their guy", I don't think that 10-15 spots is going to stop them.

Perfect example: Tyson Jackson.

Yeah, I did, and to a lesser extent it still applies. The difference between #3 and #15 could be several players/picks. Cleveland got what 2 picks and THREE players to move from #5 to #17? You can't just throw that out and say "if he's worth the #15, he's worth the #3".

He compares Pioli to Dimitroff, but then said the Chiefs had reaches 'everywhere'.

Yeah, reaches everywhere, like the Falcons who 'reached' for Matt Ryan, and who reached for Sam Baker.

They got abused for trading up to take Sam Baker, and for NOT taking Glen Dorsey. I think that worked out pretty well.

I am not saying that the Chiefs draft will be as good as the Falcons, but the Falcons
'reached' in the mind of the 'experts'.... much like the Patriots have 'reached' over the years.

Odd that one of the things that are similar between the Chiefs drafts this year and the Falcons last draft and most of the New England drafts.... judge raised as a 'difference'.

I thought Ryan was the right pick....anyone that was here knows I was all for him going up there.

And when they moved up for Baker they put value on the LT position he was the best one left. But still it was a move to the early 20's.

I just don't see how these situations are the same.

Well then Pioli just screwed the Chiefs last month, right?

From all the reports I read and/or heard, the Chiefs tried to trade down and couldn't find any takers.

This is one giant Mecca, Hamas, and Dane Bukake thread...

It's only the mentality Pioli used for Jackson if you ignore/discount the reports that Pioli tried to trade down, specifically the story about trying to get Detroit's pick at #20. According to the details of that scenario, Pioli was supposedly willing to take a huge loss in value to get out of the 3rd pick.

Not only doesn't that fit the mentality of "If he's your guy, you get him", Jackson would have been long gone by #20. They wouldn't have gotten him at all.

Jackson was clearly Pioli's guy if they were stuck at #3 and couldn't move back. But that doesn't mean Pioli wanted him no matter what.

They're almost exactly the same in terms of the reactions.

People might not have used the word "reach" to describe the Falcons taking Ryan last year, but far more people (particularly Falcons fans) thought taking Dorsey was the better move. Then you throw in Baker, who they surrendered a pantload to move up for, and there was a whole lot of doubt surrounding those first few picks.

For Judge to mention Pioli and Dimitroff in the same breath, and then cricitize Pioli over the draft, displays a staggering lack of insight on events that only occured a year ago. Dimitroff's moves (passing on Dorsey, giving up a lot for Baker) were questioned far more than Pioli reaching on Jackson.

No where have I seen a legitmate football writer detail the Chiefs draft day and their effort to move back. If you can link us to that, please do.

Pure conjecture.

Conjecture.

On draft day, Pioli and Haley said they got "their guy". Most people had Jackson at between 17-20. He was "their guy" and there's no way to argue that he wasn't.

I didn't act surprised.

I merely pointed out the real reason the namecalling and aggressive posting escalated over the last several months.

You're just jealous

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...to-trade-down/

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/787

Wes Bunting is a 22 year-old kid in Pennsylvania that's pretty much full of completely shit.

Adam Teicher? Teicher doesn't know a football from a baseball.

If Peter King (who was in KC at Arrowhead during the draft) said it, I'd believe it.

From these two knuckleheads? No way.

Detroit rejects KC's offer
The Chiefs are apparently trying hard to move down from the number three spot. I'm hearing they offered the Lions that pick plus a fourth-round choice in return for Detroit's other first-rounder (#20) and Detroit's second-rounder (#33).

The Lions rejected the offer. Too bad for the Chiefs. Since they don't have a second-round pick, this stands a chance of being a one-player draft for the Chiefs. And they need more than one player from this draft.

http://chiefsblog.kansascity.com/?q=node/787

Of course, you will now say that Adam Teicher is not a "legitimate football writer" because his access to Chiefs' coaches, scouts, players, and executives cannot equal your all-seeing perch on the internet.

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[edit] I call REPOST on myself. Didn't realize that tab had sat open so long. Nonetheless, my points are still valid.