Herm is this you? Were the Jets handcuffing you too? BTW you suck as a head coach.

Herm was the one who decided to go with Croyle as his guy.

Again - based on what?

Those 2 drafts were the very definition of average, IMO. We got a couple of starters, sometimes even very good ones (Bowe and Hali, while they have their flaws, are guys that would start on virtually every team in the league and could certainly start for a championship club). We also got a couple of absolute busts, sometimes shockingly bad ones (Turk McBride was embarassing from the start).

They were solid.

That was ridiculously stupid.

As was Herm. :shake:

Well considering he drafted 2 players Flowers and Charles who you could consider "Impact" type players I would have to disagree. Hell Flowers is probably overrated by the fan base at this point. He is far from a shutdown corner.

Everybody wants an "impact high level" player in this draft. No 1st round pick from Herm's time fits that.

Tank and Turk were the suck. Yes, yes they were and are. Pollard is average to less than average. Let's call him average with a shit attitude.There is a reason the Texan's gave him another 1 year contract. It's not because he is awesome.

Croyle is very talented? At what? Throwing hard and and rehabbing?

DJ is a huge disappointment. And it's not this coaching staffs fault he cant put together a ****ing complete mistake free game in 4 years. He started for 3 straight years and never lived up to the hype.

I don't see Herm being a draft genius.

There was no secret about Croyles durability. And even if Croyle was the guy that last season Herm should have signed Pennington the Chiefs would have won a few more games and theres no doubt Herm would have gotten another year as coach and they could have drafted Sanchez.

I thought the Hali draft was a complete pile of turd, I hated that draft from the second it happened.

Winning a few more games would have put them out of position for Sanchez, but I take your point.

I said last year that Herm definitely would have drafted Sanchez, simply because a n00b QB typically buys a HC more time b/c of the built-in excuse.

And Herm loved excuses.

Me too I remember Halis first game he got owned aginst the run and hasn't improved that much to be honest.

I could probably agree with you that the 2006 was average because of Hali, Page, Croyle and Pollard. But 2007 was an abortion outside of Bowe. If your stance that those 2 years were average than Pioli's draft last year was average.

Can we quit with the Hali bashing? He's part of the solution.

Not a good decision, but mostly because he was too fragile.

I don't either - but Herm didn't draft DJ.

Correct. I think Hali was his first.