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"Alex Smith makes your defense better" (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=293164)

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11614123)

When Sorter occasionally corrects me on football matters, I generally shut the **** up.

After thanking him of course.

That was glorious. Dude shit his pants and ignored Sorter LMAO

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Williams (Post 11614123)

When Sorter occasionally corrects me on football matters, I generally shut the **** up.

After thanking him of course.

Sorter has the acumen and knowledge of the game to the point I'd believe it if he said there are actually 12 players allowed on the field per team.

2009-2011 Ben had the highest sack time avg in the NFL.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/und...sack-deviation

WR crew shifted pieces in and out but they had ability.

And Heath Miller way overlooked. There every year and #1 in the NFL since 2005 out of all WR/TE in catch %.

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11614146)

you seem nice

Go **** your mom while chugging a gallon of antifreeze, you team hopping, steaming pile of shit.

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Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks (Post 11614076)

... and even if I was to accept the few names you offer.. the point still stands. It's not about "oh, no one has or can ever do it." It's more about it being a very rare thing.

You're moving the goalposts to suit your needs.

This is how your phrased your argument in this thread:

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You can't seem to grasp the simple conclusion that good/great QBs can overcome a deficient OL or WR group alone... but not combined... and yet you expect Alex to? That's just going full potato.

The QBs I listed clearly did that.

What you're doing is playing games with words like "excel". Sorry, QBs overcame line and WR woes in the 2000-2015 SB stretch, three of them won SBs, and one of those QBs was horseshit (and THAT's where your argument would have been more effective, rather than pointing to Roethlisberger):

"Smith is a much better QB than Dilfer ever was, and he's a better QB than Brad Johnson was, too. Smith is good enough to win a Super Bowl, if he's got a good enough team around him."

That argument has validity.

And, for the record, the basic premise that lousy OL + Lousy receivers = bad times for QBs isn't really debatable. It's when you get beyond that where things get sketchy.

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Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 11614171)

Sorter has the acumen and knowledge of the game to the point I'd believe it if he said there are actually 12 players allowed on the field per team.

This.

"What, Pete Rose developed the on-side kick you say"?

"Okay".

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 11613992)

The players I gave are examples that fit your parameters. Roethlisberger was 23 years old when he had a QB rating of 98.6, and about a 2:1 TD:INT ratio, in 2005, and he helped his team to a Super Bowl win. ViperVisor's already shown himself to be a complete ****ing idiot. There's no need for you to join him in that.

I'm not going to play the disqualify game with you. It's embarrassing that you're even trying it.

That is an outlier. That is the point. It's very rare they cobbled together an offense, the QB grinded it out and it worked to win games. Win in the playoffs and Win a Super Bowl.

They won reg season games with Ben passing 93 177 173 149 135

Carson Palmer blows out his knee to open the playoff game
Game saving tackle on the fumble @ Indy
Roethlisberger's lame to say the least SB game is forgotten

It's a war of attrition to win it all in the NFL. It's harder without a great QB. It's harderest when you add to scoops of lame WRs and Pass Blocking on top of that.

It's pretty obvious that is the crap Reid and Alex Smith were dealing with in 2014. The off-season made it even more obvious in what was done to change that.

Changing Alex Smith isn't happening.
Let's see what happens when a non great QB is givin a decent shot because he isn't sabotaged by a lame group of targets and a piss poor OL.

Super Bowl? I doubt it. But that's life in the NFL for most teams most.

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 11614201)

You're moving the goalposts to suit your needs.

This is how your phrased your argument in this thread:

The QBs I listed clearly did that.

What you're doing is playing games with words like "excel".

Ah. I'm really not playing games with words, but yes.. I apparently have not been consistent enough with the words I used.

Go with playing at a high level, or excelling. (playing significantly better than Alex, in other words)

It's still not likely to net much of a list.. as it isn't often that a QB has BOTH a shit OL and WR group in the first place.. much less still manage to perform at an above average level.

If this kind of analysis mentioned in the OP has any kind of value, then is it possible to provide NEGATIVE hidden points for your team?

Because that's exactly what Alex Smith gave us today.

Praise be to Marcus Peters, Eric Berry, and this defense.

His pick was even the same as a punt!