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BWillie 11-12-2015 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 11877983)
Lol Bradley isn't an upgrade to Dyson?

Nope, not really.

Dyson gets the benefit of platoon playing, but look at his WAR #'s per plate appearances. It's hard to believe he would be below 2 WAR for an entire year, even if he was exposed a bit playing 80% of the time.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-12-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878011)
I love the idea of getting Andrelton Simmons. He's the best SS in the game defensively. You could move Escobar to 2B and when his contract is up, use Mondesi. But that is an outside of the box move, and no way they would do that considering it would hurt Escobars feelings and he just won the AL Gold Glove.

Imagine this line up, and this defense. It wouldn't really even matter who your SP was as long as they threw strikes

Gordon, LF
Hosmer, 1B
Cain, RF
Morales, DH
Moose, 3B
Perez, C
Simmons, SS
Escobar, 2B
Dyson, CF

That would just be sick. SICK.

Why would you give up so much for a One trick pony like Simmons when you have a kid like Mondesi Jr. just around the corner that brings a Great glove AND other skills.... and he costs nothing? Simmons makes zero sense.

Nightfyre 11-12-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 11878020)
Why would you give up so much for a One trick pony like Simmons when you have a kid like Mondesi Jr. just around the corner that brings a Great glove AND other skills.... and he costs nothing? Simmons makes zero sense.

I agree. If we want elite middle infield defense, all we have to do is call up Mondesi. Then we don't have to pay 53MM over five years for a .660 ops bat + elite defense.

BWillie 11-12-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Zeke (Post 11878020)
Why would you give up so much for a One trick pony like Simmons when you have a kid like Mondesi Jr. just around the corner that brings a Great glove AND other skills.... and he costs nothing? Simmons makes zero sense.

Mondesi to me, is at least 2 years away. If you made him play everyday he would probably hit .180 next year. Look, they arent getting Simmons. But it would be fun to imagine and I have no idea what it would take to get him, but his contract isnt bad.

Mama Hip Rockets 11-12-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878036)
Mondesi to me, is at least 2 years away.

UH, HE'S ALREADY PLAYED IN THE WORLD SERIES. HELLO.

BWillie 11-12-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thurman merman (Post 11878038)
UH, HE'S ALREADY PLAYED IN THE WORLD SERIES. HELLO.

So? Terrence Gore played last year and he was probably 3 years from the show then. Doesnt mean much.

Prison Bitch 11-12-2015 12:10 PM

Can't decide which crazy idea is funnier: signing Heyward or moving Escobar to 2B. Gotta love the hot stove season!



Rumor is the Dodgers are making the strongest play for Simmons by offering to eat either Swisher or Bourne (15M for either) in any deal. That's what still sucks about mlb - large payrolls don't just outbid you for FA, they offer stronger trade deals by absorbing contracts you can't

Lex Luthor 11-12-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878036)
Mondesi to me, is at least 2 years away. If you made him play everyday he would probably hit .180 next year. Look, they arent getting Simmons. But it would be fun to imagine and I have no idea what it would take to get him, but his contract isnt bad.

So you take the money and give it to Zobrist. Zobrist at 2B and Escobar (the gold glove winning ALCS MVP) at short makes a helluva lot more sense.

That formula worked out pretty well in the ALDS, ALCS, and World Series.

Then when Zobrist is done, Mondesi will be ready.

BWillie 11-12-2015 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lex Luthor (Post 11878049)
So you take the money and give it to Zobrist. Zobrist at 2B and Escobar (the gold glove winning ALCS MVP) at short makes a helluva lot more sense.

Then when Zobrist is done, Mondesi will be ready.

Yeah I think that is ideal if Zobrist will take a 2-year contract, but he probably wants 4.

ChiTown 11-12-2015 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878054)
Yeah I think that is ideal if Zobrist will take a 2-year contract, but he probably wants 4.

I think he'll get a 3/$51MM type offer. 4 years for a guy that turns 35 in May is not good business. Hell, I don't know that he gets 3 years from ANYONE if he doesn't have the type of success he had after the Royals acquired him.

duncan_idaho 11-12-2015 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater (Post 11877983)
Lol Bradley isn't an upgrade to Dyson?


Not a huge one, necessarily. Dyson has provided great value with his d, similar to BRADLEY. The only separating factor at this point is that BRADLEY is younger and had one great month at the dish.

ChiTown 11-12-2015 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11878082)
Not a huge one, necessarily. Dyson has provided great value with his d, similar to BRADLEY. The only separating factor at this point is that BRADLEY is younger and had one great month at the dish.

That, and Bradley can't touch Dyson on the base-path

mr. tegu 11-12-2015 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 11878011)
I love the idea of getting Andrelton Simmons. He's the best SS in the game defensively. You could move Escobar to 2B and when his contract is up, use Mondesi. But that is an outside of the box move, and no way they would do that considering it would hurt Escobars feelings and he just won the AL Gold Glove.

Imagine this line up, and this defense. It wouldn't really even matter who your SP was as long as they threw strikes

Gordon, LF
Hosmer, 1B
Cain, RF
Morales, DH
Moose, 3B
Perez, C
Simmons, SS
Escobar, 2B
Dyson, CF

That would just be sick. SICK.

This lineup is weaker than anything we consistently put out this past season and well below what we fielded when Zobrist got here so I don't see the appeal.

Also, as crazy as trading for Simmons and moving Esky to 2B is, the craziest thing in your post is not having Esky bat leadoff.

Fansy the Famous Bard 11-12-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11878082)
Not a huge one, necessarily. Dyson has provided great value with his d, similar to BRADLEY. The only separating factor at this point is that BRADLEY is younger and had one great month at the dish.

and also you have to spell BRADLEY capitalized. :D

BWillie 11-12-2015 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 11878098)
This lineup is weaker than anything we consistently put out this past season and well below what we fielded when Zobrist got here so I don't see the appeal.

Also, as crazy as trading for Simmons and moving Esky to 2B is, the craziest thing in your post is not having Esky bat leadoff.

Not this shit again..

Just because you've won with using him lead off before, doesn't mean it's the right decision. Batting Escobar #1 and giving him the most at bats on the team is reeruned, it's always going to be reeruned, unless he's one of the best offensive players on your team, which is clearly isn't.

When I mean that line up would be sick, I should clarify, obviously wouldn't be #1 offensively but it's still solid. Just two years ago Simmons hit 17 home runs, and he's a contact hitter who doesn't strike out either. That entire line up puts the ball in play and would just be a grind for any starting pitcher. That would be the best defense in the league, by far. Every single one of those guys could win a Gold Glove next year. Moose is by far the worst defensive player in that lineup, and he's still above avg.


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