Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674436)

He's just got too much of an ego. It won't work unless he changes a bit.

Being the QB, you've gotta be the leader and get all guys rowing the same way. When you're constantly causing drama and throwing shit under the bus, it ain't gonna work.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674424)

Mayfield 19 TD’s 18 INT’s

Trubisky 17 TD’s 10 INT’s

Not to mention Baker probably has more talent on offense.

Exactly how is Baker so much better than Trubisky Run?

Do I think he’s better? Yea probably, but don’t kid yourselves, neither of these guys are franchise QB’s that you want to give a huge second contract.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674445)

I've never understood why so many Mayfield stans are so quick to handwaive those turnover numbers.

Dude threw 14 picks last year in a partial season to boot.

The guy's a turnover machine. And he creates sacks far more often than people want to acknowledge (same thing Watson does; then people blame his OL because he's a mobile passer so they assume he's helping his OL - he ain't).

He's a talented quarterback but he has significant processing issues that lead to turnovers and sacks that a truly good quarterback doesn't have. And you can't quantify leadership, but I have a hard time seeing a dude who carries himself like Mayfield as any sort of leader. Yes, it's nebulous, but I don't really care. If you don't see what people are saying when they call Baker a frontrunning douche, then you're just not looking.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674447)

Changing the subject? I already said Baker is better. The subject, which RunKC started with, is Baker is no Trubisky as if that means he can be a franchise QB. He can’t.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 14674424)

Mayfield 19 TD’s 18 INT’s

Trubisky 17 TD’s 10 INT’s

Not to mention Baker probably has more talent on offense.

Exactly how is Baker so much better than Trubisky Run?

Do I think he’s better? Yea probably, but don’t kid yourselves, neither of these guys are franchise QB’s that you want to give a huge second contract.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674445)

I've never understood why so many Mayfield stans are so quick to handwaive those turnover numbers.

Dude threw 14 picks last year in a partial season to boot.

The guy's a turnover machine. And he creates sacks far more often than people want to acknowledge (same thing Watson does; then people blame his OL because he's a mobile passer so they assume he's helping his OL - he ain't).

He's a talented quarterback but he has significant processing issues that lead to turnovers and sacks that a truly good quarterback doesn't have. And you can't quantify leadership, but I have a hard time seeing a dude who carries himself like Mayfield as any sort of leader. Yes, it's nebulous, but I don't really care. If you don't see what people are saying when they call Baker a frontrunning douche, then you're just not looking.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14674457)

When did he last cause drama though?

Originally Posted by DRM08 (Post 14674473)

Baker has more of that star charisma. Good at creating drama/controversy in the media. He’s Johnny Manziel Part 2. Honestly the Browns might be fine with him being a Trubisky level player as long as he creates publicity for them. Better than going 0-16 with a no-name QB. Trubisky is boring as hell AND ineffective on the field. Bad combo.

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 14674462)

Trubisky never showed potential like Baker did last year. You can chalk part of Bakers struggles on John Dorsey’s dumbass too.

Baker has a horrific OL and even worse coaching. Getting rid of Zeitler was devastating. Putting faith in Robinson at LT was worse. And even worse than that, Dorsey completely failed drafting a BUST LT Austin Corbett with the first pick in the 2nd rd that he traded to the Rams for a bag of Doritos.

It doesn’t matter if you have Jerry ****ing Rice if your QB has a clueless coach and an OL that doesn’t give him any time to develop plays.

Dorsey is not the great talent he was made to be here and it’s shows true every day that passes.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674476)

Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674464)

There's also a middle ground where the guy is limited but a lot better than what his critics say. Sometimes the critical approach is to assume a guy's 100% flawed. I don't think he's a great qb by any stretch but I don't see why at least early in his career he couldn't be an effective game manager.

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 14674475)

I think good coaching can help a lot of that. He doesn't have good coaching at all. Kitchens is probably a bottom 3 head coach right now.

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 14674483)

I don't buy the manziel comparison. Haven't seen anything to suggest baker doesn't work hard. The guy does care about winning (he's just very bad at losing). And baker actually has nfl talent.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674476)

Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14674523)

Few people think he can't play in the league. Most simply think this "Mahomes vs. Mayfield: A decades long rivalry in the making!" nonsense is laughable. For Chiefs fans in particular, we're still a little chaffed by the Browns game last year when talking heads wanted to pretend like Mayfield was going to dust Mahomes or in the offseason when there were actual arguments that Mayfield might be a better player.

I mean he's REALLY Cutlerish. And Cutler was a dangerous QB for both his opponents and his team. He'd win some games for the Broncos/Bears that they should've lost. And he'd lose them some games they should've won. And he was a D-bag. And everyone always wanted to blame the OL or the Coaches when he was the QB.

In reality, guy just wasn't as good as people hoped he would be.




Hard to say - I just have such a hard time convincing myself that anybody with a strong tendency at this level will ever truly clear themselves of it. Josh Allen, for instance, will never be accurate though he could be less inaccurate. I don't think Mayfield will ever have good pocket presence or ball security. Now he may be less bad at those things, but we're still talking about...well like I said, Jay Cutler.

And he'll have to humble himself in a big way to deal with the ball security thing. Too many of his interceptions come from "I'm Baker ****ing Mayfield; Imma fit that ball in there..."

Until he realizes that being Baker Mayfield doesn't mean the same thing as being Patrick Mahomes, he's gonna have interception problems. Deshaun Watson made some progress there last season and seems to have his interceptions into an acceptably normal range after being a turnover machine in college. Maybe Mayfield can get there, but not if he can't turn the Baker Mayfield dial down to maybe a 7. And he's not doing that if he doesn't get his ego in check.

Originally Posted by O.city (Post 14674476)

Throwing the trainers under the bus for the Odell thing? Hell, it's a weekly thing.