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Hey, any time you can give up a good hitting RF who plays gold glove defense for an expensive #4 starter who was recently Tommy John'ed, and a guy with a 6.1 K/9 in ****ing A ball, you gotta do it, right?

Can't say I'm thrilled about the trade, but it's not like we were gonna resign Ludwick anyway.

I will miss him, tho.

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 6909021)

Can't say I'm thrilled about the trade, but it's not like we were gonna resign Ludwick anyway.

I will miss him, tho.

He was worth a **** of a lot more as an offseason trade chip than Jake Westbrook.

A lot more.

Look at his +OPS and his stats over the last three years.

This is an awful, awful trade.

It's nice that Jay is hitting right now and Craig can crush the ball in Memphis, but regardless of what they are doing, Ludwick has far more value than this. Far more.

What the ****!?

Ludwick for a short rental of the definition of mediocre pitcher with a bad contract and a low level prospect?

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 6909033)

What the ****!?

Ludwick for a short rental of the definition of mediocre pitcher with a bad contract and a low level prospect?

This is the worst trade, relative to value, that I've ever seen this front office pull off.

The Mulder deal at least made sense as an over-the-top move. (Jocketty Era, but still...)

The Gregerson-Greene deal made sense because we needed a MI bat and had a lot of relief pitching

The DeRosa deal made sense because we had a surplus of arms and we needed help at third and in left.

The Holliday deal made sense as immediate protection for Pujols plus getting him to stay after 2011

Granted, I wasn't a fan of the DeRosa, Holliday, or Mulder trades because I thought we overpaid, but at least two of the three were elite talents.

I can't remember a trade that has ever looked as bad from the very outset.

It's pretty clear that Mozeliak has no ****ing clue what he's doing.

At least the first impression of almost all of the past deals, particularly deadline deals, could easily been understood because they made the current MLB squad better.

We had better hope Jay keeps hitting with the added pressure of being the day-to-day RF vs. rightys.

Should also add that I really hope this isn't it and they do attempt to add another bat but that is probably just wishful thinking.

Dodgers are close to picking up Lily and Theriot for Blake DeWitt.

Leave it to Mozeliak to make this deal.

With every trade he makes, he ****s around, waits until all the good trade partners are gone or his situation has become more dire, then makes a bad deal.

He's just a bad horse trader, that's all there is to it. Some guys know when/how to pull the trigger (Jocketty) and some guys just don't.

Mo clearly doesn't. Why get 4 months of DeRosa for Perez when you can get 3 months of him for Perez and Todd? Why deal Wallace for Holliday when you can wait another month and deal Wallace, Mortenson and Peterson for him?

Why try to shop Ludwick around for a legitimate #3 starter when you can just sit on your hands up until the trade deadline and make an awful deal because you're out of time and have a corpse as your 5th starter?

And like I told my buddy, including Nick Greenwood in the trade just makes it worse for me. I find that it somehow insults my intelligence. And the reason we asked that he was included is:

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Following that season, Greenwood entered the MLB draft. He said as the day went on, he received a number of phone calls from teams, starting as early as the eighth round. The St. Louis Cardinals called and said he was coming up on their draft board. After the Cardinals pick passed, and his name wasn’t called, he felt a little frustration. Finally, four rounds later, the Padres called his name.

http://middletownpress.com/articles/...4461920744.txt

Mo probably passed on legitimate prospects because he failed to draft this pud in the 10th round. Hurray for institutionalized stupidity. Clearly Mo has determined that Nick Greenwood is part of the right 53...

He's just overmatched.

DeWitt and two prospects for a solid #3 starter and a MI.

Gee, who in the **** else needed that kind of help? Not that it would have been likely that we would have dealt with the Cubs, but you're telling me that with the package the D'backs took for Haren, they wouldn't have taken Craig+Kozma+Brian Anderson for Kelly Johnson and Haren?

I can't wait to see what vivaelbirdos, the official propaganda arm of the St. Louis Front Office, has to say about this trade.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6909083)

Cardinals gave up more for Westbrook than the Dodgers gave up for Lilly and Theriot (both could've helped us a ton).

Mo sucks hard.

There's no doubt that he's a stupid bastard.

The Mo--Luhnow relationship already cost us Jocketty, and Antonetti wouldn't take the job because of those two ****sticks.

Of course, we just re-upped him for another 3 years two weeks ago, so that's a pad of bloody diarrhea on the shit sundae.

At this point, if Ludwick crushes our ass in the playoffs, I'm just gonna ****ing laugh.

Well on the plus side, the clubhouse should be a lot less ackward.

Albert and Yadi always felt pretty sheepish after they walked to 1b on a groundball, what with Ludwick, who's pretty much held together by cotter pins and duct tape, diving for every fly ball and hustling on every AB.

Can't have those gamers around showing up your latino clique. ****.

Best part - the absolute best part of this whole thing:

Mozeliak wasn't even smart enough to make this trade in time to avoid Suppan's start today.

Like he couldn't have gotten the Padres and Indians to pull the trigger on this deal yesterday. Nah, had to **** around and wait for today so we can give away another start.

He's just so very bad at this job.

Just got the news.

All I can say is, "ouch."

I'm thinking of putting this on a sign and taking it to tomorrow's game.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...iss_me_yet.jpg

So, Hawksworth is the one going to the pen while Suppan keeps his spot in the rotation.

So, Hannigan just gapped one for the Reds, and Melky Cabrera threw the ball sideways, thus leading to a 3 run inside the park HR*

*It'll be a double and a two base error, but still :facepalm:

Are any of you guys listening to StL Sports Radio right now?

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6909405)

Are any of you guys listening to StL Sports Radio right now?

OTW is in that area. I'm out of range for them, but CoMo is very Cardinal centric on the two hours of original sports talk they have every week day.

One of the guys took three paint balls to the ass about two weeks ago because of a failed prediction. He said he would taze himself, but the cops wouldn't let him do it.

I'm sure they'll have some interesting reactions.

At least the game tonight wasn't us playing down to the terribad Pirates.

We swept the lowly Pirates.

Hopefully Colby playing everyday now with Ludwick gone he will man up and start playing with some confidence. If he plays to his potential he and JAy could replace Luddy's production.

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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6909405)

Are any of you guys listening to StL Sports Radio right now?

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6909704)

I quit listening to local sports talk when I got my new car and it had Sirius.

I can tell you that Post Dispatch columnist Bernie Miklasz wasn't a fan of the trade.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/colum...dd87899ab.html

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My first thought after hearing that the Cardinals had given up Ryan Ludwick for a No. 4 starter, Jake Westbrook: The winning GM in the deal was Walt Jocketty.

Jocketty, of course, is competing against the Cardinals from his new power chair in Cincinnati.

And this seems to be a beneficial transaction for Jocketty and the Reds. I say this because the Cardinals, who strain to score runs, just expunged a proven hitter from their lineup. Ludwick, unlike some of the team's baby birds, has an impressive history of putting up numbers in the majors. Since the start of the 2008 season, Ludwick ranks second in RBIs, third in homers and fourth in slugging percentage among NL outfielders.

I understand why the Cardinals wanted Westbrook, who should be a solid fit. There's been slippage at the back end of the Cardinals' rotation and La Russa and pitching coach Dave Duncan want to reinforce it. That's fine. Westbrook isn't a dominant pitcher. He doesn't get many swings and misses. But he does offer added stability. The Cardinals believe Westbrook will provide innings but we should not assume that; Westbrook went seven innings or more in only seven of 21 starts for the Indians this season.

In theory, I'm not opposed to the idea of acquiring Westbrook, a noted ground-ball habitue who matches Duncan's philosophy.

And I'm not opposed to the idea of trading Ludwick, either.

I'm just opposed to trading Ludwick for the lone return of Westbrook.

When you have a lethargic offense, you don't give up an above-average run producer for an average starting pitcher. And that's especially true in a summer 2010 trade market that's seen a devaluation of starting pitching.

This was a three-way trade involving the Cardinals, Cleveland and San Diego, with Ludwick headed to SoCal.

It could have been a game of three-card Monte, with the Cardinals getting snookered.

The Philadelphia Phillies didn't give up much to acquire a No. 1 starter, Roy Oswalt, from Houston.

The Los Angeles Angels gave up little to secure power-armed starter Dan Haren from Arizona.

The LA Dodgers just landed a quality lefty starter in Ted Lilly and middle infielder Ryan Theriot from the Chicago Cubs for a decent second baseman, Blake DeWitt.

Starters who pitch above Westbrook's level were auctioned off, and buyers didn't have to give up the farm. So I am baffled as to why the Cardinals felt it necessary to sacrifice Ludwick -- an established asset -- for a two-month rental of Westbrook.

Ludwick wasn't walking after the season. The Cardinals controlled his rights through 2011. So if they were going to move him, they had to do better than this. This deal was made because manager Tony La Russa and GM John Mozeliak declared a state of emergency.

"Our offense is a work in progress and Luddy's been a productive and clutch guy," La Russa said. "But if we don't add a quality starter we've got a tough road ahead. It was critical."

Said Mozeliak: "The fact is, if we didn't change the current dynamics of this club right now, I couldn't envision us winning."

Wow.

You think trade partners may have picked up on that desperation?

I can't figure out why it was impossible to land Westbrook straight-up from Cleveland for a decent prospect. Westbrook is a free agent after the season. His peak years are over. And Cleveland, a non-contender, doesn't need him.

To make matters worse, the Cardinals not only cut the cord on Ludwick's power, but plugged it into a weak San Diego lineup that ranks 14th in the NL in slugging. Moreover, San Diego looms as a potential STL postseason opponent. The Cardinals declined to fix their own offense but didn't hesitate to strengthen San Diego's?

The Cardinals have two problems from what I can tell:

1. An offense that ranks 10th in the NL in runs per game. It's an offense that's been limited to three runs or fewer in 41 of 104 games, an offense that's been shut out 10 times, an offense that has scored only one run 13 times. It is the second-lowest scoring offense of TLR's 15 seasons here.

2. For some reason, the people running the franchise cannot see this. That, or they do not feel the urgency to do much about it. And this is not a new pox. The lineup malaise didn't start, say, last week. This is virtually the same lineup core that misfired late last season and scored only six runs in an embarrassing three-game sweep by the Dodgers in the NLDS.

The Cardinals have lined up Westbrook to replace the injured Brad Penny in the rotation. (And we suspect the Cardinals wanted insurance on rookie Jaime Garcia, just in case he wears down.) But will anything change? The Cardinals had a 4-5 record in games started by Penny this season and scored only eight runs, total, in those five losses. So if they couldn't score for Penny, then why would we expect routine offensive explosions in support of Westbrook?

Granted, Ludwick was a part of that wheezing offense. So if the Cardinals want to argue that point, fine.

And they do.

"In fairness, our offense was inconsistent with him," Mozeliak said. "Will it be inconsistent without him? I don't know. We've had some success when we've had players out of the lineup."

Mozeliak was alluding to the Cardinals' recent eight-game winning streak that occurred with Ludwick on the disabled list. And the team did average 5.8 runs in those eight games, sans Ludwick. But does an eight-game sample size prove much?

Rookie outfielder Jon Jay has played exceptional baseball for the Cardinals — though it must be added that he's hitting .446 on batted balls in play, and that won't last. Jay had a combined onbase-slugging percentage of .799 in the minors, so his numbers will eventually drop. And now Jay will have to cope with the added pressure of being a fixture instead of a role player. This will be a different assignment for Jay, and we'll see how he handles it.

It's possible for a right-field platoon of Jay and Allen Craig to generate enough offense to approximate Ludwick's wattage for the short term. And another side benefit is that Colby Rasmus will play just about every day instead of being frequently sent to his room. Raz must come through now. And La Russa has to place more confidence in his second-year center fielder.

There's a bit of a traffic jam in the outfield, and to that extent the Cardinals were dealing from surplus. And this isn't the end of commerce; it's still possible for the Cardinals to acquire a bat this month as long as the player has cleared waivers.

Mozeliak insists he looked for a bat but found a thin marketplace for hitters. If no legit bat was available to add to the lineup, that's one thing. But it doesn't justify taking Ludwick's bat out of the lineup.

Part of this had to be based on finances. Ludwick will probably make around $8 million next season, and La Russa strongly suggested that it would be difficult to carry that salary in 2011. So payroll limitations may have forced a Ludwick trade, anyway. But the Cardinals probably could have gotten more for Ludwick by waiting until the offseason.

"We had a chance to win now," La Russa said. "This winter is too far away."

But unless the Cardinals' offense improves dramatically, the cold front will arrive a lot sooner than Mozeliak and La Russa think.

Bernie hit the nail on the head. Mozeliak panicked and traded away Ludwick for 25 cents on the dollar.

He'd fit right in as GM of the Memphis Grizzlies.

Ludwick came up big for the Padres and if he didn't get the pinch hit he did, the Pads would have lost. He will be a starter here, but he has a sore calf right now so he is relegated to PH duty til he is ready.
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Originally Posted by Buck (Post 6910957)

He's an easy player to root for. Well done by the Pads to make that deal.

westbrook debut and no card fans are on tonight?

I only got to watch him pitch an inning. He looked pretty solid, albeit against a horrible lineup.

That said, knowing that we could have gotten him for a guy like Ottavino or Boggs, and spun Ludwick into someone else makes me ****ing sick.

Here's an idea:

Ludwick to SD
Kelly Johnson to St. Louis
Prospects to AZ

Doesn't that help everyone?

Separate Deal:

Ottavino to Cleveland
Westbrook to St. Louis

Stupid ****ing shift just rat ****ed us. Instead of going into the bottom of the 8th up 4-2, the game is tied and Houston has runners on 2nd and 3rd.

Bravo, TLR, especially for throwing Motte out there for the third straight day when you know he sucks ass when he is overworked.

And great outfield D by Winn there with the pirouette coupled with missing the ball.

Just get the out, you ****ing reerun.

God, I hate Schumaker.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6913125)

Just get the out, you ****ing reerun.

God, I hate Schumaker.

There was no reason to hold Bourn close to second with a two run lead, hell even a run lead, no one in our outfield is going to throw him out anyway. That kind of crap bothers me more than physical errors.

Joles is starting to get locked in again, he's hitting more LDs.

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 6913136)

Schumaker wasn't holding him, he was on the other side of the bag, anyway. Normally, your SS holds the guy on second.

They had the shift on b/c Lee is a pull hitter, but when a guy throws 97, you normally don't pull it as well.

It's just bad situational awareness.

Goddammit, fat Miles.

Would have really sucked to have had Ludwick up in that position, eh?

Schumaker quit on that ball.

****, I hate that guy.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6913143)

He did move toward second a step then broke back with the pitch, if he had just left him alone and gone where he wanted to position himself he could have at least got to the spot for one out. With a right hand batter second usually has the primary responsibility for holding a runner...however that situation should have been set up for getting outs with a two run cushion. I played middle infield and that was just crap, I can't blame that one on La Russa.

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 6913170)

With the shift, he's on the bag. It was a foolish setup b/c Lee isn't going to be able to pull McDougal.

Tony's pen management has been bizarre.

And another mother****ing error.

:facepalm:

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6913180)

With the shift, he's on the bag. It was a foolish setup b/c Lee isn't going to be able to pull McDougal.

He was also way too shallow, if you shift you play deeper than a step or two from the bag, it limits your angles and with his suspect range it is only magnified. They better address that seriously this winter, it is probably too late for this year. I will take Ryan's streaky hitting with the kind of range and defense he can provide (especially when he plays everyday and gets in a groove), but Skip needs to take the Miles role from now on.

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 6913203)

This is Tony's biggest drawback. For such a "genious", he lets his personal feelings on players dictate their playing time far too much.

Schumaker is a 25th guy. Rasmus should play every day. Stavinoha should go down once Craig comes off the DL.

But rarely do we consistently play our best players. Instead, we waste ABs on guys like Schumaker, Winn/Stavinoha, and other assorted trash.

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6913216)

Did you hear that Freese left the game in Springfield with an ankle problem? If he is out they should look at bringing up Descalso (sp?) for second or Gotay for third and let Lopez take over everyday at second. I agree about Craig, would rather have him than Stavi, although I would rather have Stavi than Wynn. He at least can be used in a pinch as a third catcher.

Well, put that down as the the first L due to trading our GG caliber RFer.

If Luddy's in RF in the 8th, we get out of that inning with the lead.

Someone needs to remind our front office that "pitching to contact" requires that the defense behind you be able to actually catch the baseball.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v7...htoContact.jpg

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6913122)

Hey, anytime you have a righthanded hitter with a slider speed bat facing a pitcher throwing 97 mph, you have to place your 2b up the middle, right?

Especially when you're pitching the guy away.

Stupid defensive positioning. Stupid pitch calling. Poor roster construction and a flawed approach to hitting/run producing.

This team is 1 and done if it's lucky enough to even make the playoffs. The whole damn squad is disinterested, gutless or flat out braindead (in the case of Felipe Lopez - all 3).

**** these guys.

Miles, Suppan, and Winn should all be DFA'd.

I thought Winn might be able to contribute at least in the outfield as a defensive replacement, but he has been awful outside of one hot streak.

I'm watching the replay of the 8th inning - it's amazing.

I kid you not, McDougal hit Molina's glove on that groundball to 2b from Lee (when Schumaker vacated the hole).

What. The. ****. Was. Molina. Doing.

How can he set up outside there? HOW THE **** DOES A PURPORTED DEFENSIVE WIZARD CATCHER CALL FOR AN OUTSIDE FASTBALL THERE!?!?!?!

Lee cannot get around on good heat. He just can't do it. And McDougal can do little more than throw the ball hard. Worse still, Lee isn't a patient hitter.

With Schumaker stationed up the middle, if McDougal hits his spot where Molina set up there, Lee has no chance of getting around on the 97 mph heat. He's going to roll over it and he is going to hit the ball into that hole at least 80% of the time.

Watching the replay, the inevitability of that happening is just stunning. I cannot believe that happened. We have a manager making $5 million/season and a Catcher making similar money exclusively for his defensive prowess, and that was the way that play went down...

Un-****ing-believable.

This hurts so very much.

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It's also probably the greatest thing ever put on video.

**** you, Casablanca.

"This is the St. Louis Cardinals....it's supposed to be fun."

I stole this from my Cardinals board, but a cross-post was necessary:

Tony Larussa presents -- The Choker (musical credit: Steve Miller)

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The Choker

Some people call me "The Genius"
Some call me the "Choker of Games"
Some people call me Xerxes
Cause I'm pompous, arrogant and inflamed

People talk about me, lately
Say Im doin it wrong, doin it wrong
Well, dont you worry
Dont worry, don't worry
Cause I'm right, and I've been right all along.

Cause I'm "The Genius"
I hold the patent
We play a hard nine
Except the Latins
I do my magic on the field

I'm a joker
Not a smoker
Im not a big game choker
Won't disrespect Schilling or Sheffield

I was a player
Big game-dayer
A soothsayer
An only-my-wayer
I do my magic on the field

I'm a joker
Not a smoker
I'm not a big game choker
Won't disrespect Schilling or Sheffield
Wooo wooooo

Never seen a game
I couldn't leave my fingerprints on
I really love to double switch
My brain is the bomb
Lovey-dovey, lovey-dovey, lovey-dovey from the press
Ooo-eee St Louis fans let me know I'm the best

Freese done for the year.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseb...27992bc8b.html

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Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak said Tuesday that third baseman David Freese’s most recent injury is “season ending.”

Freese will have surgery to repair a torn tendon in right ankle, and it is not clear how long Freese will need to recover. Mozeliak met with the media this afternoon at Busch Stadium and the first words he spoke when asked about Freese were: "Not good."

Freese was hurt Monday night after apparently re-injuring his problematic right ankle in a rehab assignment at Class AA Springfield. Manager Tony La Russa said Freese heard a "pop" as he rounded third base and pulled up awkwardly on his way home.

Mozeliak likened the injury to the ankle equivalent of the wrist injury Mark DeRosa had last season. Essentially, a tendon casing in Freese's right ankle tore.

The general manager said that the injury appears to be independent of Freese's other ailments.

Mozeliak said that Freese's absence for the rest of the season does change the team's approach to the waiver trading period but that the options are "limited." For the Cardinals to add a third baseman that player must either clear waivers or the Cardinals must put a claim in on a third baseman via the waiver process.

Players can still be traded between now and Aug. 31 and still be eligible for the postseason. But every player traded must go through the waiver process.

Among the third baseman expected to be available this month are Boston's Mike Lowell, who is returning from injury, and Baltimore's Ty Wigginton. The latter would be a player in demand and he would have to clear every team in the American League and the teams with worse records than the Cardinals in the NL for the Cardinals to have the sole claim on him.

"Obviously it's disappointing," Mozeliak said of another injury to the rookie third baseman. "But we've played quite awhile without him. Like any other situation like this other people have to step up. Will it change how we look at the post-trading deadline (scenario)? Possibly."

Freese has been on the disabled list since June 28 and he originally injured his ankle three weeks before going on the disabled list.

Originally targeted for a return immediately after the All-Star break, Freese’s recovery was complicated by a broken toe, an injury he sustained by dropping a weight on his left foot while working out.

Freese figured to be an important piece for the Cardinals’ stretch run. His return would have given the Cardinals a deeper lineup and more flexibility.

A St. Louis native, Freese hit .296 with a .404 slugging percentage and 36 RBIs in 70 games for the Cardinals this season.

Thank God we've got clutch hitters like Ludwick to pick up the slack! Oh wait....

:facepalm:

But, Farnsworth?

:facepalm:

Ankiel's worse. Unless Farnsworth is a complete head case who crumples like an empty beer can in the face of the slightest bit of adversity.

Remember how Crash Davis described Nuke LaLoosh as "a million dollar arm with a ten cent head"? Well, Ankiel's like Nuke, except he has a five cent head and doesn't pitch anymore.

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6914932)

dubbed 'utility player' for us - two doubles yesterday, a single today. Plus! he's got a good attitude!

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Originally Posted by Simply Red (Post 6914939)

dubbed 'utility player' for us - two doubles yesterday, a single today. Plus! he's got a good attitude!

Just wait.

Fell behind 6-1, but have cut it to 6-3.

9-3 Stros...FFFFUUUU

They are to us what Pittsburgh is to the Cubs. Pittsburgh couldn't beat a good little league team, but against the Cubs they're the '27 Yankees.

The ****ers just have our number.

Of course, it doesn't really matter. We're screwed anyway.

18-4? Wow. And the game's still going on. LMAO

Aaron Miles is the first Cardinal pitcher in the series not to give up an ER.

We suck. We suck hard.

Well maybe Moe learned a lesson. Trading a clubhouse favorite for a 4th starter isn't going to go over well, especially when it was clearly a money move.

The Cardinals will give back anything they "Save" in that trade once they miss the playoffs.

Big series begins tonight...not a good offensive showing in the first.

Well 2nd time through was the charm, some seeing eye singles and then a granny. Nice!

6 hits in a row.. Carp on the mound, BETTER close this one out

Skip hit a grand slam? Damn. 6-0 in the 4th and their starter gets the hook.

Let's hope they keep it up. The way our ****ing bullpen's been playing lately DIE IN A FIRE FRANKLIN, we might need to score 60.

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 6925308)

Big series begins tonight...not a good offensive showing in the first.

I'll take Carp on the mound any day.

WTF is up with Edmounds? He's got to go play on every Central team? :spock:

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6925367)

I'll take Carp on the mound any day.

WTF is up with Edmounds? He's got to go play on every Central team? :spock:

I had no idea he'd landed there. I guess the Brewers finally flushed him.

I always enjoy that big, slow, awful, stupid strike out swing of his working for us, though. Hopefully he'll help sink Cincinnati for us.

I could drive my ****ing car through this umpire's strike zone.

Reds fans are imploding on the CBS game center chat. Dumbasses making comments about McGwire as a cheater when I guess they don't realize the only player on either roster actually caught cheating with PED's is one of their starters. Unfortunately I don't have access to that site to remind them. You have to be a fantasy geek to have access.

Pujols creeping back into the batting race. Would be pretty cool if he could pull off the triple when a lot of people were ragging on him a couple of weeks ago.

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 6925450)

You should ask them if Dusty has any bets going on tonight's game.

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6925472)

You should ask them if Dusty has any bets going on tonight's game.

Dusty provides me some comfort that they will actually fade. If anyone can ruin the young talent on that team he will find the way to do it.

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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 6925481)

Dusty provides me some comfort that they will actually fade. If anyone can ruin the young talent on that team he will find the way to do it.

I certainly hope so. But their remaining schedule is, for the most part, very light. And if it comes down to the wire, they end their season with four games at home against the Brewers, while we end ours with four games against the Rockies in St. Louis, and those bastards have absolutely owned us the last couple of years. We need to take advantage of every opportunity to stake these guys ourselves.

Tomorrow is huge, Garcia has been struggling, but if we could grind out a win I would like our chances with Waino going against Bronson. Even though we have floundered against him at times. His stuff is still average at best.

"That's a winner!" One down, now get another tomorrow.

Nice win. Sweep these fuggers.

Pardon a moment, but; WHY IN THE **** DID THE BRAVES BRING BACK KYLE ****ING FARNSWORTHLESS?????!!!! He's god damned terrible!