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Mav 09-04-2013 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9938151)
First of all, if you're calling yourself a 9ers fans, take that stupid looking dog off your avatar. LOL.

Seriously though, there is a 0.00% pct chance we start the season 0-3.
No on the avatar.

And sorry. Facing three very good qbs to start the season, and really to be honest, there isn't a gimmie in the first 5 games of the season.

VS GB
@Seattle
VS Indy
@STL
VS HOU

Where is the gimmie? Every single one of those teams poses a threat.

9er guy 09-04-2013 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9938181)
No on the avatar.

And sorry. Facing three very good qbs to start the season, and really to be honest, there isn't a gimmie in the first 5 games of the season.

VS GB
@Seattle
VS Indy
@STL
VS HOU
I didn't say there were any gimmes. I just said we're not starting 0-3.

Mav 09-04-2013 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9938185)
I didn't say there were any gimmes. I just said we're not starting 0-3.
Well, obviously I hope not.

the schedule makers sure did us no favors though.

I could just be pissy. I live in Packer country with my packer loving wife, with her packer loving parents coming to watch the game on sunday.

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 04:00 PM
yeah, Matt Ryan's been losing lots of playoff games... 1 win out of 5.. and he has lots of talent around him, plus has had coaching consistency around him in the developing years.

Matt Stafford's been losing big time against teams with a winning record... 1 win in 24 games?

these new year backyard-ballers have been exciting, yet not flawless... They have much to prove, but for the most part, have excellent structure around them to succeed further.

Alex had shit and a wild carousel around him. Few quarterbacks had so many obstacles around them, and none of them to my knowledge have been trending up in their later years as Smith has. He is just a product of people's preconceived notions over his distant years. Years of brainwashed people, thanks to the ESPN/Jamie Duke morons that fail to think in depth about what makes QBs successful.

Mav 09-04-2013 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938193)
yeah, Matt Ryan's been losing lots of playoff games... 1 win out of 5.. and he has lots of talent around him, plus has had coaching consistency around him in the developing years.

Matt Stafford's been losing big time against teams with a winning record... 1 win in 24 games?

these new year backyard-ballers have been exciting, yet not flawless... They have much to prove, but for the most part, have excellent structure around them to succeed further.

Alex had shit and a wild carousel around him. Few quarterbacks had so many obstacles around them, and none of them to my knowledge have been trending up in their later years as Smith has. He is just a product of people's preconceived notions over his distant years. Years of brainwashed people, thanks to the ESPN/Jamie Duke morons that fail to think in depth about what makes QBs successful.
Ironically enough, those same people that say alex smith is shit on this board, but want Geno Smith readily admit that his chances of surviving in a jets uniform is almost NONE.

Funny how that works. And on the other hand, the same guys who dislike smith, and love Kaep, fail to realize just how lucky Kaep is that he landed where he did.

Funny, huh? That probably is the biggest reason that I do like Alex Smith. I have no idea how he made it out of that situation to succeed at all, much less garner enough attention to become another teams franchise qb.

Jamarcus Russell didn't, David Carr didn't, Ryan Leaf didn't, Joey Harrington didn't

It is damn impressive considering that especially with Jamarcus and Leaf, two guys who were considered such cant miss prospects because of their physical abilities crashed and burned so hard. Yet, Alex still stands.

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9938202)
That probably is the biggest reason that I do like Alex Smith. I have no idea how he made it out of that situation to succeed at all

It is damn impressive

Alex still stands.
Yes, it's inspirational, from a football perspective. :thumb:

Alex Smiff 09-04-2013 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9937525)
Who is dishonest?

Crabtree 2010 741 yards 6 tds
2011 874 yards 4 tds
2012 8 game split 440 yards 3 tds
So 16= 880 yards and 6 TDs.

At first blush, it really looks like you're correct. However, when you account for the injured hand (in which every receiver suffered on yards) it paints a different picture.

6 games 383 yards 3 tds = 16 games 1021 yards and 8tds.

Now, the only argument you can really make here is that I can't take those games out...go ahead...tell me how Alex's throwing hand injury had no impact on the 9ers ability to pass in those games. I'm all ears.

This is a perfect example of why stats are deceptive.

Instead of using stats, try to remember how everyone was saying how much better Crabtree was looking before Alex had his concussion.
You're pathetic.

Snapplez 09-04-2013 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938193)
Alex had shit and a wild carousel around him. Few quarterbacks had so many obstacles around them, and none of them to my knowledge have been trending up in their later years as Smith has.
This trending up shit is such a damn copout. It amazes me you fail to see the circumstances of why the 49ers became what they are today. They were a ridiculously talented team, with a fantastic head coach, and get this, the more they took the ball out of Alex Smith's hands the better the team became. They trended up simply because Harbaugh knew that Smith wasn't ever gonna cut it, and took the ball away from him.

Alex Smiff 09-04-2013 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9936931)
So full of shit, kid... Suck on these numbers a bit.

This is old and recycled discussion. Now, show us how VD's production was with Smith and then Kaep. Go ahead.


week 1-9 = 26 rec on 37 targets / 380 yds / 4 TDs -------- ( with Alex )

week 9-16 = 16 rec on 25 targets / 172 yds / 1 TD -------- ( with Kaep )

So, big whoopity doo, kid. Alex liked throwing the ball to VD and others.. as well as Crabtree, which Alex completed approx. 40 passes to prior to the concussion. That's 40 at about the mid-point to the season. Does 40 sound terrible in a run-based offense? Kaep only completed about 50 to him.

:doh!:

Let all this go and enjoy the 49ers journey. Let Alex Smiff go, once and for all. Alex has controlled and dominated your pathetic life all of those 8 years... and now, you are allowing him to dominate you even though you are free of him. Can you not see this twisted and sick obsession is poisoning your soul?
What the **** does VD's production have to do with Crabs production compared to Kaep and Smith? Are you slow? :LOL::LOL::LOL:

Alex Smiff 09-04-2013 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9937467)
In 2006, (Smith's 2nd season), Alex had a 56.85 comp % when throwing 21+ yards in Norv's system.

In 2005, (Schaub's 2nd season), Matt had a 50% comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2002, (Brees' 2nd season), Drew had a 59.25 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Flacco's 2nd season), Joe had a 60.1 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Ryan's 2nd season), Matt had a 58.7 comp % when throwing 21+ yards

In 2009, (Flacco's 2nd season), Joe had a 60.1 comp % when throwing 21+ yards


I mean, we are not talking huge differences here. You need to at least factor in that Alex had Kwame Harris at OT (possibly the worst OT in pass protecting history), and a bottom half pass protecting OL on the whole.

Also keep in mind, Alex's decent 2nd year was also better than that of HOF Troy Aikman's 2nd year... and Troy had a MUCH better supporting cast around him.
How do you expect people to take you seriously when you post this garbage?

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938307)
What the **** does VD's production have to do with Crabs production compared to Kaep and Smith?
Can you really not answer this for yourself? Both QBs threw the same number of passes. One QB passed the ball more to his TE... which means less passes to the WR. The other QB passed the ball more to his WR... which means less passes to his TE.

Yeah dude... someone here is slow. Seems pretty clear that person is you. :doh!:

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938312)
How do you expect people to take you seriously when you post this garbage?
Is that all you got? Can't discuss the point, so all you can do is helplessly flail at the poster? Oh, you will fit in well here. :doh!:

Mav 09-04-2013 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938307)
What the **** does VD's production have to do with Crabs production compared to Kaep and Smith? Are you slow? :LOL::LOL::LOL:
Your emoticons don't take away from the fact that this is a stupid post.

Vernon davis when Kaep took over was pretty much obsolete from the offense. That is the point that he was making.

Alex Smith used everyone, Kaep threw almost half of his passes to one guy.

Is that, that difficult for you to comprehend?

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 9938298)
This trending up shit is such a damn copout. It amazes me you fail to see the circumstances of why the 49ers became what they are today. They were a ridiculously talented team, with a fantastic head coach, and get this, the more they took the ball out of Alex Smith's hands the better the team became. They trended up simply because Harbaugh knew that Smith wasn't ever gonna cut it, and took the ball away from him.
So they paid him a top 3 salary on the team for two years just to "take the ball away from him?" Harbaugh was quoted multiple times in sucking Alex off just to keep him in SF... all to keep the ball out of his hands? and in most of the games where they actually needed Alex`to produce a game winning drive... he did.

So tell me again how they kept the ball out of his hands? Didn't he pass the ball just as frequently as Kaep did?

Your perspective has large fails in it. ;)

Snapplez 09-04-2013 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938355)
So they paid him a top 3 salary on the team for two years just to "take the ball away from him?" Harbaugh was quoted multiple times in sucking Alex off just to keep him in SF... all to keep the ball out of his hands? and in most of the games where they actually needed Alex`to produce a game winning drive... he did.

So tell me again how they kept the ball out of his hands? Didn't he pass the ball just as frequently as Kaep did?

Your perspective has large fails in it. ;)
Actions on the field speak much louder than media quotes. The 49ers had close to the fewest pass attempts in the league, that's absolutely taking the ball away from the super duper awesome franchise QB. And I'm sure you remember, Harbaugh talked up A.J. Jenkins before he shipped him outta town. Media relations don't mean a damn thing.

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 9938362)
Actions on the field speak much louder than media quotes. The 49ers had close to the fewest pass attempts in the league, that's absolutely taking the ball away from the super duper awesome franchise QB. And I'm sure you remember, Harbaugh talked up A.J. Jenkins before he shipped him outta town. Media relations don't mean a damn thing.
Read this, stupid, and learn something... and if you can not read it, have mommy read it for you. And if you need to learn how to connect the dots on it, ask nice, and someone here will likely point out the relevance for you.

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But most of the college offenses he's run have favored the run, some by lopsided margins (see below). In fact, all four of his Stanford squads attempted more runs than they did passes. In 2009, for instance, when Stanford had an accomplished senior running back in Toby Gerhart and a freshman quarterback in Andrew Luck, the Cardinal rushed 527 times and attempted 312 passes. A year later when Gerhart was in the NFL and Luck was the toast of college football, that ratio shrunk a bit. But Stanford still ran the ball 480 times versus 374 pass attempts.
http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archiv...#storylink=cpy

Chief Faithful 09-04-2013 05:41 PM
Now that the Ravens have shown the NFL how to defend the 49ers offense by hitting the QB on every run play it will be interesting to see how the 49ers adjust. Plus, the 49ers are going to get the best and most physical play from everyone they face so Kaep is going to get hit hard and often. It is very reasonable to believe Kaep's production will drop noticeably in his Sophomore season because they will have to adjust to more pocket protection just to keep him healthy.

The 49ers and Kaep are not going to surprise anyone this year with the Pistol offense. Everyone will be prepared, ready and waiting to hit that QB.

Alex Smiff 09-04-2013 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9938348)
Your emoticons don't take away from the fact that this is a stupid post.

Vernon davis when Kaep took over was pretty much obsolete from the offense. That is the point that he was making.

Alex Smith used everyone, Kaep threw almost half of his passes to one guy.

Is that, that difficult for you to comprehend?
Again, what the **** does VD's production have to do with the difference in production between Alex and Crabtree and Kaep and Crabtree. VD's lack of production is a different discussion.

Now hop to it and leave all those "terrible" reputation comments.

Mav 09-04-2013 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938425)
Again, what the **** does VD's production have to do with the difference in production between Alex and Crabtree and Kaep and Crabtree. VD's lack of production is a different discussion.

Now hop to it and leave all those "terrible" reputation comments.
Lol....Okay.

ViperVisor 09-04-2013 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 9938362)
Actions on the field speak much louder than media quotes. The 49ers had close to the fewest pass attempts in the league, that's absolutely taking the ball away from the super duper awesome franchise QB. And I'm sure you remember, Harbaugh talked up A.J. Jenkins before he shipped him outta town. Media relations don't mean a damn thing.

60% of Smith's passes were in the 1st half in 2012.

The team in 2012
244 1st Half Passes
215 1st Half Runs

This is what the Head Coach wants to do with the team. It's what he did at Stanford with Andrew Luck. A balanced attack. The NFL today balance isn't 50/50 more like 58/42.
He was handed a team with a giant forceful O-Line and a battering ram in Frank Gore.

The team builds a lead and plays it safe.

186 2nd Half Passes
263 2nd Half Runs

Kaepernick 09-04-2013 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 9938384)
Now that the Ravens have shown the NFL how to defend the 49ers offense by hitting the QB on every run play it will be interesting to see how the 49ers adjust. Plus, the 49ers are going to get the best and most physical play from everyone they face so Kaep is going to get hit hard and often. It is very reasonable to believe Kaep's production will drop noticeably in his Sophomore season because they will have to adjust to more pocket protection just to keep him healthy.

The 49ers and Kaep are not going to surprise anyone this year with the Pistol offense. Everyone will be prepared, ready and waiting to hit that QB.
That is an interesting analysis that doesn't reconcile with the fact that the 49ers scored 6 points in the 1st half and 25 points in the 2nd half.

The scoring indicates that the 49ers offense figured out the Ravens defense.

Mav 09-04-2013 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9938452)
That is an interesting analysis that doesn't reconcile with the fact that the 49ers scored 6 points in the 1st half and 25 points in the 2nd half.

The scoring indicates that the 49ers offense figured out the Ravens defense.
Conspiracy- Ray Lewis

Alex Smiff 09-04-2013 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938343)
Can you really not answer this for yourself? Both QBs threw the same number of passes. One QB passed the ball more to his TE... which means less passes to the WR. The other QB passed the ball more to his WR... which means less passes to his TE.

Yeah dude... someone here is slow. Seems pretty clear that person is you. :doh!:
Kaep distributed the ball quite well to both VD and Crabs in the playoffs, didn't he?

Only a Smith fanboy would excuse his meager production to a WR because he was too busy getting his TE involved. I so hope for your sake that he's successful this season.

Setsuna 09-04-2013 06:19 PM
Good lord. Who are all these members? Wait nvm. I know. Soon the Niner forum will be a ghost town and all these spoiled whiner Niner fans will be here. Start the War for Chiefs Planet! Who'll be the vanguards?

Mav 09-04-2013 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938456)
Kaep distributed the ball quite well to both VD and Crabs in the playoffs, didn't he?

Only a Smith fanboy would excuse his meager production to a WR because he was too busy getting his TE involved. I so hope for your sake that he's successful this season.
Yup. He did. Very well.

Tell me though. Why is there such concern with Crabs being out?

Because Kaep didn't really show a mesh with anyone else other than Crabs, and when it mattered the most in the super bowl, he locked on.

But to say anything that doesn't post Kaep in a superman light, brings all the Kaepersexuals to the rescue. No one said he sucked. They just said that he favored Crabtree over everyone else.

9er guy 09-04-2013 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chief Faithful (Post 9938384)
Now that the Ravens have shown the NFL how to defend the 49ers offense by hitting the QB on every run play it will be interesting to see how the 49ers adjust. Plus, the 49ers are going to get the best and most physical play from everyone they face so Kaep is going to get hit hard and often. It is very reasonable to believe Kaep's production will drop noticeably in his Sophomore season because they will have to adjust to more pocket protection just to keep him healthy.

The 49ers and Kaep are not going to surprise anyone this year with the Pistol offense. Everyone will be prepared, ready and waiting to hit that QB.
I just re-watched the Super Bowl. The Ravens weren't smacking him in the mouth every play. Really they were just shoving him as Frank ran right by them. What the Ravens did a good job of was limiting Frank Gore on the dive. He got loose late, but they did a decent job of corralling him early.

He took one or two big hits the whole game. You could easily get one or two good shots in the pocket as a traditional QB.

He actually was moving the ball ok. We just had back-to-back turnovers that really killed us. (LaMichael James fumble, Kaep's pick)

There was one play where Suggs tried to hit Kaep and he juked Suggs right out of his jock and almost threw a TD to Crabs. (Just a liiiitle high

It'll be interesting to see how teams defend us. But I'm not seeing a real blue print layed down by Baltimore.

I mean, the first play of the game Kaep throws for 25 yard gain on a read option PA. Nobody hit him there.

We shall see......

Mav 09-04-2013 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9938567)
I just re-watched the Super Bowl. The Ravens weren't smacking him in the mouth every play. Really they were just shoving him as Frank ran right by them. What the Ravens did a good job of was limiting Frank Gore on the dive. He got loose late, but they did a decent job of corralling him early.

He took one or two big hits the whole game. You could easily get one or two good shots in the pocket as a traditional QB.

He actually was moving the ball ok. We just had back-to-back turnovers that really killed us. (LaMichael James fumble, Kaep's pick)

There was one play where Suggs tried to hit Kaep and he juked Suggs right out of his jock and almost threw a TD to Crabs. (Just a liiiitle high

It'll be interesting to see how teams defend us. But I'm not seeing a real blue print layed down by Baltimore.

I mean, the first play of the game Kaep throws for 25 yard gain on a read option PA. Nobody hit him there.

We shall see......
I think people are really underestimating the toughness of Kaep. Also, Kaep is huge.

9er guy 09-04-2013 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9938472)
Yup. He did. Very well.

Tell me though. Why is there such concern with Crabs being out?

Because Kaep didn't really show a mesh with anyone else other than Crabs, and when it mattered the most in the super bowl, he locked on.

But to say anything that doesn't post Kaep in a superman light, brings all the Kaepersexuals to the rescue. No one said he sucked. They just said that he favored Crabtree over everyone else.
I'm not worried about it. He's had basically a whole off-season without Crabs. We've got Bouldin until Crabs gets back.

He's accurate enough. As long as our WR's catch we should be fine.

But he did lock on in the SB. That's for sure. But hey, it was just his 10th start. He'll learn ;)

9er guy 09-04-2013 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9938570)
I think people are really underestimating the toughness of Kaep. Also, Kaep is huge.
Dude he's gotten so massive it's crazy.

They interviewed him about people hitting him and the rule change and whatnot.

In typical Kaep fashion he says, "It's football. You're gonna get hit."

Eye of the ****ing tiger....

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938290)
You're pathetic.
LOL, is he really using the injured pinkie or whatever Smith had? Jeebus. That's like the 10th time I've seen him mention the shoulder or finger. Guy has serious obsession issues.

Jakemall, Alex already has a smoking hot cheerleader slut for a wife, I don't think he's interested.

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 07:13 PM
This is where I see the problem with SF fans on a KC board.

Where da Chiefs talk be at? :doh!:

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938425)
Again, what the **** does VD's production have to do with the difference in production between Alex and Crabtree and Kaep and Crabtree. VD's lack of production is a different discussion.

Now hop to it and leave all those "terrible" reputation comments.
They're ignoring the fact that VD was already obsolete in terms of targets a few games before Kaep took over. He had a one game return with Kaepernick's starting debut against Chicago, and then went back to being a glorified blocker(until the playoffs)

The 4 games before Chicago on MNF.

vs NYG- 3 for 37
vs SEA- 0 for 0
@ ARI- 2 for 34
vs STL- 4 for 30

Vernon Davis declining production was an issue long before Kaepernick took over. Teh fanbois don't like to see it that way though

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9938584)
LOL, is he really using the injured pinkie or whatever Smith had? Jeebus. That's like the 10th time I've seen him mention the shoulder or finger. Guy has serious obsession issues.

Jakemall, Alex already has a smoking hot cheerleader slut for a wife, I don't think he's interested.
at least get it right... and you hate Alex and signed up to a KC board to follow him? Yeah... that's a sick obsession.

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Alex Smith threw for 303 yards and three touchdowns against the Bills on Sunday, but after the game much of the attention was on his right middle finger. Smith injured the finger during the game but postgame X-rays were negative, according to CSN Bay Area.

Both Smith and head coach Jim Harbaugh said the injury was a sprain. Matt Maiocco of CSN Bay Area said the injury is to the middle finger of Smith's throwing hand despite the fact Harbaugh initially said the injury was to Smith's left hand. Smith's right hand was reportedly in a wrap after the game.

While there will be some concern over Smith's finger going forward, the 49ers did not appear to suffer any other injuries against the Bills.
http://bayarea.sbnation.com/49ers/20...-injury-report

9er guy 09-04-2013 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938588)
This is where I see the problem with SF fans on a KC board.

Where da Chiefs talk be at? :doh!:
Well between the "House MILF wanted" thread and the "Brinkman smoke and Grill" thread, this might be as good as it gets.

Hey there's always the "Worst shirt you've ever seen" thread.

Sandy Vagina 09-04-2013 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9938596)
Well between the "House MILF wanted" thread and the "Brinkman smoke and Grill" thread, this might be as good as it gets.

Hey there's always the "Worst shirt you've ever seen" thread.
:LOL: ... true that. The do have some real slop threads.

Kaepernick 09-04-2013 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9938578)
Dude he's gotten so massive it's crazy.

They interviewed him about people hitting him and the rule change and whatnot.

In typical Kaep fashion he says, "It's football. You're gonna get hit."

Eye of the ****ing tiger....
What Kaepernick actually said was, "If you want to hit me in the face every play and try to intimidate me and let Frank Gore run for 10 yards, I'll take a hit in the face every play."

Kaepernick 09-04-2013 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938588)
This is where I see the problem with SF fans on a KC board.

Where da Chiefs talk be at? :doh!:
Gee, ya think? :banghead:

9er guy 09-04-2013 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Kaepernick (Post 9938637)
What Kaepernick actually said was, "If you want to hit me in the face every play and try to intimidate me and let Frank Gore run for 10 yards, I'll take a hit in the face every play."
Two seperate interviews. What I'm referring to was like yesterday or today.

So he actually said both things.

http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/v...4-996f0521cdae

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LowExpectations 09-04-2013 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9938137)
Alex Smith really hasn't done anything his last two seasons to really justify any criticism.

Oh yeah. Everything's peachy when you have a bottom 10 3rd down conversion rate and a 29th ranked passing offense.

Us 49er fans sure are tough on our QB's!

Alex Smiff 09-04-2013 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9938584)
LOL, is he really using the injured pinkie or whatever Smith had? Jeebus. That's like the 10th time I've seen him mention the shoulder or finger. Guy has serious obsession issues.

Jakemall, Alex already has a smoking hot cheerleader slut for a wife, I don't think he's interested.
Yep. They all have the same, tired excuses. Can't wait to see what they'll come up with this year.

ViperVisor 09-04-2013 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9938719)
Oh yeah. Everything's peachy when you have a bottom 10 3rd down conversion rate and a 29th ranked passing offense.

Us 49er fans sure are tough on our QB's!
The problems 2011-2012 start and stop at Smith?

The O-Line and WRs were dandy? It's already been mentioned how Vernon Davis role in the pass game under Harbaugh is inconsistent at best.

In 2011 the 49ers rushed on 3rd down 70 times.
19 First Downs + 1 TD
28.6% success rate
That is pathetic and the Vikings last year with Ponder as the QB pass threat on 3rd down were much better than that.

2011 was not pretty but was to be expected with all the change in a lockout shortened year.

You could live with the passing struggled because Smith INT rate was 1.1%.

DAL, NO, IND, DET
They were all top 10 in 3rd down rate.
But on average their INT rate was right with the mediocre. 2.73%

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 09:58 PM
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You could live with the passing struggled because Smith INT rate was 1.1%.
Um, no. That's a loser way of thinking if I ever saw one. If the defense does not stop the run at a historic rate and the kicker does not set records, the 2011 49ers become a 7-9/8-8 team.

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938923)
Yep. They all have the same, tired excuses. Can't wait to see what they'll come up with this year.
-Alex needs to get used to arrowhead's playing surface

-He needs 3 years minimum to master the Andy Reid playbook.

-Dwayne Bowe turned out to be highly overrated(according to them, lol)

-No viable TE target

-Fisher is the new Anthony Davis. Not good enough!

-Andy Reid isn't calling the right plays.

-He hurt his big toe in week 4. How do you expect him to plant and deliver with a crushing injury like that?

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9938213)
Yes, it's inspirational, from a football perspective. :thumb:
Yeah, it was really hard to keep cashing those checks to ride pine and then hand off to Gore and set it up for Davey Akers.

What a comeback story!

LMAO

GoChargers 09-04-2013 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 9937706)
You know what, you're right. And I thank my lucky ****ing stars he gave San Diego the finger. Can you imagine if the Chargers had won 2 Superbowls while we toiled in mediocrity with the Cassel/Huard/Smiths of the world?

Christ, I wouldn't be able to take it.
AJ and Marty/Norv would have ruined Eli. Meanwhile, the Giants would still probably have won at least 2 with Rivers, IMO.

beach tribe 09-04-2013 10:33 PM
This thread smells like butthole and penis.

ViperVisor 09-04-2013 10:34 PM
Do you back anything up with reality?

In 2011 the Steelers gave up 2 less points that the 49ers.

The scoredy 55 less points.

They went 12-4

O.city 09-04-2013 10:35 PM
So it reeks of your moms breath???


Bazinga

beach tribe 09-04-2013 10:40 PM
I dont know why everyone is so caught up on how much MC got the ball.

IIRC in 218 attempts the passing yards differed by less than 100 yards or right at it.

Its completely irrelevant whether Davis and co. or Crabtree got the yard. The passing production is basically the same.

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 9939284)
Do you back anything up with reality?

In 2011 the Steelers gave up 2 less points that the 49ers.

The scoredy 55 less points.

They went 12-4
That was kind of my point idiot, was it not?

Steeltown doesn't have the #1 scoring d, they're probably not 12-4.

Same goes for the 49ers. 29th ranked passing offense. Wrap your head around that for a second and then try to think where the 49ers would have been without the #2 ranked scoring D, record setting field goal season, and the #5 ranked rushing offense.

Literally EVERYTHING went well for the 2011 49ers EXCEPT for the passing offense. Who was the QB?

Is this not making any sense to you?

ViperVisor 09-04-2013 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9939208)
Fisher is the new Anthony Davis. Not good enough!
Was this good enough in 2011?

Player
Anthony Davis

Team
49ers

Sacks Allowed
12

Median Sack Time
2.7


aolnews.com/2011/01/01/oline-em-up-falcons-sam-baker-struggles/


The 49ers attempted 200 less passes than Det/NO and he still gave up the most sacks in the NFL.

beach tribe 09-04-2013 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9939285)
So it reeks of your moms breath???


Bazinga
I told you to stop making out with my mom.:D

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 10:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9939295)
I dont know why everyone is so caught up on how much MC got the ball.

IIRC in 218 attempts the passing yards differed by less than 100 yards or right at it.

Its completely irrelevant whether Davis and co. or Crabtree got the yard. The passing production is basically the same.
Because it was an end of an 8 year drought where SF QB's ignored wide receivers vertically.

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 10:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 9939299)
Was this good enough in 2011?

Player
Anthony Davis

Team
49ers

Sacks Allowed
12

Median Sack Time
2.7


aolnews.com/2011/01/01/oline-em-up-falcons-sam-baker-struggles/


The 49ers attempted 200 less passes than Det/NO and he still gave up the most sacks in the NFL.
Alex Smith had nothing to do with a high sack rate?

ViperVisor 09-04-2013 10:44 PM
Akers would of had to miss 17 FGs to put the 49ers at the same scoring as the Steelers who went 12-4.

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Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9939298)
the #5 ranked rushing offense.
I already showed how bad they were at 3rd down rushing.

The 49ers were 19th in yards per rush in 2011. 1 spot below the Colts.

beach tribe 09-04-2013 10:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9939305)
Because it was an end of an 8 year drought where SF QB's ignored wide receivers vertically.
Wanna make a wager on production? Crabtree vs Bowe?

ViperVisor 09-04-2013 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9939307)
Alex Smith had nothing to do with a high sack rate?
Yes in 2012 the inflated rate is on him. He was eating sacks a bit much in games but most of those were easy Win games.

He is familiar with eating sacks because they were too often force fed to him with bad pass protection 2005-2011.

Was everyone passed out on Thanksgiving 2011? That was an extreme example of the O-Line pass protection problems the 49ers had for years.

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 11:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9939315)
Wanna make a wager on production? Crabtree vs Bowe?
This a joke? Crab's out til November einstein.

LowExpectations 09-04-2013 11:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 9939309)
Akers would of had to miss 17 FGs to put the 49ers at the same scoring as the Steelers who went 12-4.



I already showed how bad they were at 3rd down rushing.

The 49ers were 19th in yards per rush in 2011. 1 spot below the Colts.
Why are you ignoring the defense?

Yes, they were 4 yards and a cloud of dust because the passing offense was so putrid.

Alex has been taking too many sacks since day 1 bromontana. He's always had extremely bad footwork in the pocket, and is well known around the league for his classic "head ducking" routine when trying to climb the pocket.
Try watching a game for once.

beach tribe 09-04-2013 11:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9939355)
This a joke? Crab's out til November einstein.
Oh, right. Ive been to busy, you know, following MY team.

beach tribe 09-04-2013 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LowExpectations (Post 9939362)
Why are you ignoring the defense?

Yes, they were 4 yards and a cloud of dust because the passing offense was so putrid.

Alex has been taking too many sacks since day 1 bromontana. He's always had extremely bad footwork in the pocket, and is well known around the league for his classic "head ducking" routine when trying to climb the pocket.
Try watching a game for once.
.....douche

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-04-2013 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9939369)
Oh, right. Ive been to busy, you know, following MY team.
:LOL:

007 09-05-2013 12:59 AM
I'm curious, lets say a miracle happens and we win the superbowl this year with Alex leading the game winning drive late in the 4th qtr. Does this thread get bumped by Clay?

Jakemall 09-05-2013 01:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9938290)
You're pathetic.
You're right. I should have known better than to waste my time explaining something to you. :banghead:

Alex Smiff 09-05-2013 02:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ViperVisor (Post 9938949)
The problems 2011-2012 start and stop at Smith?

The O-Line and WRs were dandy? It's already been mentioned how Vernon Davis role in the pass game under Harbaugh is inconsistent at best.

In 2011 the 49ers rushed on 3rd down 70 times.
19 First Downs + 1 TD
28.6% success rate
That is pathetic and the Vikings last year with Ponder as the QB pass threat on 3rd down were much better than that.

2011 was not pretty but was to be expected with all the change in a lockout shortened year.

You could live with the passing struggled because Smith INT rate was 1.1%.

DAL, NO, IND, DET
They were all top 10 in 3rd down rate.
But on average their INT rate was right with the mediocre. 2.73%
Blamed the Oline and receivers :LOL::LOL::LOL:

2011 offense was lackluster because the QB was LIMITED! The offense was akin to an offense you'd use if you started a rookie.

People still think Smith is this hall of fame world beater who has been held down by "the man". :LOL::banghead:

ViperVisor 09-05-2013 02:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9939600)
Blamed the Oline and receivers :LOL::LOL::LOL:

2011 offense was lackluster because the QB was LIMITED! The offense was akin to an offense you'd use if you started a rookie.
They had to get it together in 7 weeks.
The 2nd and 3rd WRs on the depth chart combined for 30 catches as they ended up on IR or Cut.

The 49ers were 2nd worst in drops in 2011.
i.imgur.com/3OF79.png

Not go forward a year...

How did the 49ers with Alex Smith average 7.97 yards per pass in 2012?

That HAPPENED.

How, is the question.

The O-Line improved.
The pass targets other than Delanie Walker stopped the excessive drops.
The QB, Alex Smith, got better in the offense.

Alex Smiff 09-05-2013 08:46 AM
About the pinky finger sprain excuse in the Giants game. Did anyone actually watch the game? The turnovers had nothing to do with his sprain. They were downright terrible decisions and he paid for it. Giants D knows how to play Alex, period.

Marmatag 09-05-2013 09:57 AM
God, I registered on these forums just for kicks and I see that the usual Alex trolls are here clinging to his sack and continuing the endless, moronic debate on someone else's forums. Show some respect and let the Chiefs fans go through this calamity on their own.

We have an NFL section for this stupidity. Except for those of you who were banned. I'm guessing Chiefs fans can identify who those posters are.

Dear Chiefs fans,

Properly set your expectations and you'll enjoy the season. Nuff said.

-The Best Guy Ever

Rausch 09-05-2013 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Marmatag (Post 9940051)

Dear Chiefs fans,

Properly set your expectations and you'll enjoy the season. Nuff said.

-The Best Guy Ever
I like this guy...

loochy 09-05-2013 10:11 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marmatag (Post 9940051)
God, I registered on these forums just for kicks and I see that the usual Alex trolls are here clinging to his sack and continuing the endless, moronic debate on someone else's forums. Show some respect and let the Chiefs fans go through this calamity on their own.

We have an NFL section for this stupidity. Except for those of you who were banned. I'm guessing Chiefs fans can identify who those posters are.

Dear Chiefs fans,

Properly set your expectations and you'll enjoy the season. Nuff said.

-The Best Guy Ever
:LOL: Solid first post. Rep.

Sandy Vagina 09-05-2013 10:16 AM
^

I have already linked it that it was his middle finger on his throwing hand. No one can really say if it affected him or not. I bet it did... I am sure you will bet it didn't... blah blah blah... old news.

Mav 09-05-2013 10:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guru (Post 9939556)
I'm curious, lets say a miracle happens and we win the superbowl this year with Alex leading the game winning drive late in the 4th qtr. Does this thread get bumped by Clay?
Nope, cause he wont be here after 8 wins. He gave his word......

Jakemall 09-05-2013 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9940085)
^

I have already linked it that it was his middle finger on his throwing hand. No one can really say if it affected him or not. I bet it did... I am sure you will bet it didn't... blah blah blah... old news.
He has no choice but to deny it. If he doesn't, his arguments fall down like a card house.

Harbaugh hinted at it. Roman straight said that Alex was having issues.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10...-past-2-games/

Also note how the game before and after Alex's QB rating goes through the roof.

9er guy 09-05-2013 11:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9940152)
Also note how the game before and after Alex's QB rating goes through the roof.
The game before he had a 74.5 rating

The game after he played the Bills at home.

You're referring to the Cardinal game where his rating was 157. But it's the ****ing Cardinals, so who cares?

Like, if you cant light up the Cards and Bills, we that defense?

He put up great numbers against shitty teams. Not sure you're making a strong point here.

Sandy Vagina 09-05-2013 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9940152)
He has no choice but to deny it. If he doesn't, his arguments fall down like a card house.

Harbaugh hinted at it. Roman straight said that Alex was having issues.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2012/10...-past-2-games/

Also note how the game before and after Alex's QB rating goes through the roof.
nice link... don't recall reading that one, and yeah... points to the injury being an issue.

Sandy Vagina 09-05-2013 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9940175)
You're referring to the Cardinal game where his rating was 157. But it's the ****ing Cardinals, so who cares?

Like, if you cant light up the Cards and Bills, we that defense?

He put up great numbers against shitty teams. Not sure you're making a strong point here.
dude... Cardinals had a top 5 pass defense. :doh!:

9er guy 09-05-2013 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9940180)
dude... Cardinals had a top 5 pass defense. :doh!:
That's a misleading stat. They were 28th against the run, so why would you throw on them? Which is why Alex didn't meet the attempts requirement to break the record in that game.

Go look at the top ten team in terms of interceptions. 1 playoff team.

Go look at the top ten teams in terms of passing yards against. 1 playoff team.

Now go back and look at their Rushing defense. The average rank is 22.

The exception being Tamps who was first against the run but DEAD LAST against the pass.

We're talking about bad teams. No matter how you wanna spin it.

Fuuuck that. It doesn't matter how good your DB's are if you can generate no offense whatsoever and you can't stop the run. Lame duck team.

Go back and watch that game and tell me if you see a top five pass defense.

Their team is/was a complete joke.

Jakemall 09-05-2013 11:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 9er guy (Post 9940175)
The game before he had a 74.5 rating

The game after he played the Bills at home.

You're referring to the Cardinal game where his rating was 157. But it's the ****ing Cardinals, so who cares?

Like, if you cant light up the Cards and Bills, we that defense?

He put up great numbers against shitty teams. Not sure you're making a strong point here.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...-passer-rating

Average QBR vs bills 84.4
Average QBR vs Cards 71.2

Alex vs Bills 156
Alex vs Cards 157

Yup... what was I thinking?


Yeah, you're going to complain that Alex didn't have an amazing QBR against a team that he didn't need to throw against since the running game put like 250 yards on the defense/

9er guy 09-05-2013 11:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 9940210)
http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...-passer-rating

Average QBR vs bills 84.4
Average QBR vs Cards 71.2

Alex vs Bills 156
Alex vs Cards 157

Yup... what was I thinking?


Yeah, you're going to complain that Alex didn't have an amazing QBR against a team that he didn't need to throw against since the running game put like 250 yards on the defense/
I'm not complaining. I mean, we won the games.

The bills had the 29th ranked strength of schedule.

You gotta remember the Cardinals started 4-0.

In those games they played:

Russell Wilson
Ryan Tannehill
Mike Vick
Tom Brady (They got after him, so I'll give them credit there)

Then in the midst of their nine game losing streak they played:
Sam Bradford x2
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Christian Ponder
Mark Sanchez
Russell Wilson again

And I'll even throw Jason Campbell in there.

Not exactly murderers row.

Now they, did have a 5 pick game against Matt Ryan. So again, I'll give them credit there.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-05-2013 12:00 PM
Alex Smith still sucks, by the by.


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