Well, you didn't watch him shit his pants against good defenses for the last three years. He will never adapt to the speed of the game.

xcuses

Again, I respectfully disagree.

LMAO How the **** is that an excuse?

Well I will piss on your corpse when you go to the drafted by the Jets excuse, but I respect your tenacity.

The same guys making excuses about Geno' teammates and coaching are the same guy who will bring Alex Smith's early years up in SF despite him having those same problems to deal with.

Kinda hypocritical dontcha think?

Seriously, they called him to the Jets and I just shook my head at that point because I knew he was ****ed. It really is idiotic on my part to think he could have any real success with Rex Ryan at the helm.

Unlike KC, I tend to learn from my mistakes. Sanchez taught me that no good potential doesn't meet the shitter in New Jersey.

Even Pete Carroll said dirty Sanchez wasn't ready for the NFL. Perhaps they just draft shitty qb's.

His early years don't interest me at all. His post-injury rust and "skirting the Cassel state-line"-style game management keep my penis in a state of low blood however...

I think they are absolutely relevant. Alex Smith and his struggles are exactly why I have no problem admitting that Geno is going to have a rough go in New York.

The situations are almost identical.

Clueless head coach, limited talent. Even the head coach, came from the Ravens.

just different coasts. But both arrogant tards who don't understand that the day of the 3 yards and a cloud of dust is dead.

Come on, Petey was looking out for Petey on that one.

"Hey Bro."

"whats up coach?"

"you know, you should go pro."

"Really? I was thinking I should stay."

"No dude, totally, seriously, go."

LMAO

Geno Smith is trash and he went to a even trashier team lol, he only got drafted cause the QB class was a joke and he fell to the 2nd round cause no one wanted him so the NYJ took a flyer on him as they have already taken 2 other players in the 1st round. Furthermore, Sanchez is at the end of his road there. (Rex Ryan will be fired 100% after this season, Geno's chances for any success next season fully depends on who they hire next as NYJ HC.)

So why is anyone even talking about him is a joke rofl.

I agree for the most part, but AS has a better head on his shoulders. That's the difference.

Lol, ill let you say that. Every time I have mentioned him as a "stand up individual" I get flamed, and have to hear the Cassel 2.0 comparisons, and blah blah blah. I really am just trying to fit in lol.

Who could have predicted that.

For a freaking 7 year vet, that mofo should. Not a solid point there really.

Shut the **** up, Turdcutter.

Here is Barkley's numbers for the Pre-Season:
32/63
329 yards
1 td
1 int

Why are you even here?

go to some jags board and argue about whatever douchebag you have in the limp dick state

Drew Magary just called Geno the Appalachian JaMarcus Russell....

Man...these Jags trolls are getting out of hand.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6753061632/hBD117946/

In all seriousness, there seems to be a huge power struggle going on with the NYJ.

Geno Smith is not ready to be a starter in the NFL. He's just not. John Idzik seems to want his guy. And he was the Seahawks Gm last year, so he's probably a douche that thinks he's a genius.

Geno is going to struggle MIGHTILY.

Oh, please...:doh!:

Alex was drafted number one, because he passed the interview process as well as had the skills teams were looking for. Geno was passed on by many teams (all in RD 1), and Im not sure it had to do with his arm. One has, and has had from the beginning, the maturity needed. The other, so far hasn't shown that he isnt the crybaby bitch he's being accused of being.

Alex was far more mature coming out of college.

I see what you did there.


N00b...

Fixed.

He was NOT the Seahawk's GM last year.

John Schneider has been the Seahawks GM since 2010.

VP of Football admin. My bad.

That's a HUGE difference.

Idzik was a horrible hire, IMO. He reeks of being a Peter-Principled hire much like Scott Pioli, and he's making the same mistake of force a QB onto the head coach.

Geno Smith preparing for opener as if he'll be the starter

http://www.newsday.com/sports/footba...rter-1.5983597

The adults are talking. Please remain quiet until someone addresses you.

Geno is getting thrown into a fire.

Then again, so did Cam Newton and he made the most out of it.
Hopefully Geno will succeed. If not, at least the Jets tried.

Why? Good QBs overcome bad situations. I don't get it. How will they ruin him? That's a terrible excuse imo.

It's what they do.

Yeah he was. As far as I knew you meant right now Alex is more mature. Sorry about that. Carry on.

what about the 28 year old in need of development?


That was our choice
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What?

I thought it was pretty clear.

We chose another 28 year old guy who still needs to develop.

People are talking about this potential AS has. Just like he is a young player
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Well unless under 200 yards per game is acceptable.


And if not trying to throw the ball down the field is acceptable.


And if not throwing to a receiver that is slightly covered is acceptable
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People say he was taught to play safe. We are supposedly wanting him to take some more risks.


That's not developing?
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God damn, SAUTO pouring the Sake!

LMAO

Cam Newton had a good offensive line, a smart OC, and Steve Smith, and Greg Olsen.

He also played in a very small market.

Geno has none of that.

No, no they don't. David Carr didn't, Joey Harrington didn't, Ryan Leaf couldn't, Alex Smith couldn't.

No, young qbs forced to be saviors of franchises that are run poorly, and forced to play savior before they are ready, fail.

Players like RG3, Luck, Wilson, Eli Manning, Rapist.

They get drafted onto teams that play to their strengths and build around them, and protect them.

Geno is getting none of that. Unless you have a strong front office, and coaching staff, young qbs drown.

Yeah kudos, their Gm will get a raise, coaches will get extensions and such

I don't think it is. I don't think he was taught to play safe. I think he was told to. It was a ground and pound offense. Reid's offense is basically half SF and half Urban Meyer. We should see the best of Alex.

Alex Smith is what he is and he's the best we could get. You know what you have in a player by the end of his third season. There is no developing with him imo. I'm happy with him and I want to win. We need to win consistently before we even start talking about the prize.

I don't remember Gannon, Plunkett, Warner, or Young having particularly memorable careers in the first 3 or more years of playing.

Good post. Len Dawson was a retread and he didn't either. We won the Superbowl with him.

:facepalm: Thank God we are playing in the 1960's!

When would you say the league became QB driven? Just curious.

It's ebbed and flowed over the course of its history. Right now, it's QB driven.

Brian McIntyre ‏@brian_mcintyre 1m
RT @MMehtaNYDN: Sources: Rex Ryan & key Jets brass agree it's time to move on from Mark Sanchez: http://nydn.us/16Z8hHx #nyj

Translation: John Idzik said Mark Sanchez sucks and if you are going to coach my team then Geno Smith is my qb. Piss off......


Rex's Reply: Yes Daddy.

I would say it's been QB driven for the last ten years. In those ten years, 12 of the 20 quarterbacks in those games were first round picks and 8 were not.

Four were retreads. Four in ten years....

The odds have changed in the quarterback era imo.

The Geno-era is on.

LMAO What? That guy is the most overrated guy in years. Don't tell me you wanted him...?

The stats overwhelmingly show that your chances for success are greater with a first round QB leading the charge.

There are exceptions, of course.

Ahem...

**** yes I did.

LOL. Wanna reword that?

Like say, chances are better with your OWN drafted first round qb?

Alex Smith after all........

#1 overall. LOL.

Poor Geno. They are on the hot trail to Teddy Bridgewater ville.

This has the panthers 2010 written all over it.

You know, they drafted the guy who fell in the draft, (Jimmy Claussen), then the next year had the first pick and took Cam Newton.

Wow if these aren't similar.

I think if you want to be really accurate, you need to look at the QB age. This started in the last decade when they made it tough on the defensive backs and really started protecting QBs. It didn't evolve into a QB driven league. The owners made it one.

The Jets defense is still good enough to get them 4-6 wins...

Ahem...

It is? They are starting a rookie corner, LaRon Landry who played really well for them last year is gone.

I really don't think it is at all. They have some very nice pieces up front with Coples, Wilkerson, but they also lost DeVito, Bart Scott is gone.

And, if Geno struggles, and turns the ball over, that defense is going to be on the field a lot. And they are in a division that upgraded the passing weapons across the board.

The Bills got Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin, and now they have to defend the mobile Ej Manuel, and have a quality coach.

The Dolphins along with getting more experience with Tannenhill now added Mike Wallace.

I don't like the Jets chances much at all.

LMAO

Yes, It is...

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ON.

The old AFL in the '60s was known as a pass happy league. Learn a little history.

WTF does that have to do with holding up Dawson from 1908 as a good current model?

Cherry-pickin' mother****er.

JaMarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Tim Tebow, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Jason Cambell, J.P. Losman, Bryan Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Patrick Ramsey all say hello.

You claim this is a pass first league and that is why Dawson doesn't compare to today, but the AFL of Dawson's time was a pass happy league. Do you even read your own posts?

No, I claim that the model has changed, the game has changed, and that trying to use Dawson is ****ing irrelevant.

Do YOU read my posts? Or do you just go in to immediate reactionary jackass-mode?

Lets look at all QB's that win a superbowl. Then lets look at those guys versus all 1st roundpicks.

Next lets look at the rest of the draft QB's and the Superbowls they have won, and compare them to all the rest of the QB's drafted 2nd and higher.

Which group is going to be a shittier group? Which group has a higher PERCENTAGE of super bowl winners selected?

Just because some guys don't pan out, that does not mean that it has anything to do with the guys who do. Statistics show if you want to win super bowls, your chances are phenomenally higher with a first round QB.


God damn.

Thank you. I'm just not going through this shit again.

If you go by first round QBs that have been successful vs. first round QBs that haven't over the last ten years you will see that the percentage of losers is much higher than the percentage of successful ones - and I'm not even talking SB here, I'm talking any kind of success at all - playoffs, etc.

Face it, no one but the desperate Bills thought there was a QB worth a first round pick this year. Reaching to take one in the first that doesn't deserve to be there won't magically make them a winning QB.

In other words, "lalalalalala, I can't hear you, lalalalalala".

And do you not get that if you DO NOT have a first round QB the chances that they don't do shit is MUCH MUCH HIGHER like almost certainly ?

So just because your chance for a big hit is something like 35-40% you shouldn't go for that. You would rather look at guys who have a .1 % chance to hit?

I'm old and tired, so yeah; that'll work.

Phenomenally higher? Uh, no.

There have been 106 QB's taken in Round One since 1967. Fifteen have won Super Bowls, or 14%.

There have been 55 QB's taken in Round Two since 1967. Three have won a Super Bowl, or 5%.

I don't consider 9% to be a "phenomenal" difference.