All depends on how things are handled moving forward. It certainly can.

(I hope the jocular nature of my last post about Kim Anderson is clear to everyone... just trying to lighten the mood a bit. I WAS serious about Loftin/Wolfe being his biggest supporters, though).

Yes yes yes. Everyone's either bigoted or cisgender or whatever it is that has you so wound up at any given time.

Hey, make hey while the sun's shining, sport. Your mob has the wind at it's back so make all the gains you can while you still have people that are willing to blindly buy into this nonsense and pat themselves on the back for being so open-minded.

You and your ilk are the problem. If someone disagrees with the substance - regardless of how much they've said in support of said disagreement - well they're just racist or transphobic or cisgender or whatever.

Until the next time the N word gets used. I don't disagree with the message and the intent and the football team supporting the protests.

I have noticed, however, that there are really no possible solutions being put forward by said protesters. Other than admit white privilege, hire more black people and stop being silent about Michael Brown.

We're going to need a new football thread, lol

Even you have to admit that demanding Wolfe to fess up to his white privilege cheapens the feel of the entire list of demands, no?

Uh oh, it's the self righteous victim come calling...

Anyone who attempts to defend that is an intellectually dishonest "moran". Period

LMAO

I can't make my point any better than being called a racist for being irritated that the University has capitulated to mob rule.

Substance doesn't matter anymore. Dissenting opinions can't be the result of reasoned disagreement - nope; you're a bigot.

This is the modern progressive movement. It really is some Orwellian shit and somehow folks like Reaper just can't see it.

You have to understand the substance to properly disagree with it (and your use of the word "cisgender" here means either that you don't understand THAT separate issue or you're being snarky). The general, uncritical assumption that what protesters are asking for is "batty" and "fringe" is pretty classically racist. I use that word unemotionally, not in the sense of the everlasting damnation of character that many white people think it is. Racism is whatever holds up, reinforces, or creates imbalances & inequalities of power. The idea that Concerned Student 1950's demands are seen as "fanatical" certainly reinforces the very imbalances that the students are protesting in the first place.

It is BASIC for a leader to admit that certain privileges were creating blind spots, allowing for the campus environment becoming what it is. It is an easy, common sense thing to do. It is not at all batty. That's maybe the least controversial demand on their list of demands.

Like, if this movement's demands are batty then what would a more reasonable change look like to legitimately improve the campus experiences of persons of color?

That's a rhetorical question.

It's not Orwellian. It's pretty simply that white Americans and Americans of color can't even begin conversations at a starting point together because one group wants to begin from the point that certain systemic inequalities exist and the other group wants to begin from the point that they don't. They can't get to the substance with each other. And I'm including myself in this critique.

It's still quite unclear that the campus experiences of persons of color need to be improved (any more so than the general proposition that the university should strive to improve all experiences at all times).

The black students say it does. The queer students say it does. The female students say it does. The trans students say it does. I'm going to listen to them before I listen to the white men who refuse to listen to them.

No, calling something batty is a value judgment and not an earmark of racism. You do this shit all the time. I believe I once used the term militant as it related to something a woman said and you immediately called me a mysoginst. When I pointed out that you were being a dipshit, you blamed me for not directing you to a myriad of posts where I had used similar terminology for situations not involving women.

You just keep looking for buzzwords and ignoring all context or substance around them then you blame others because you're unwilling to do the homework.

How 'bout you stop looking for trigger words and start listening to dialogue? I didn't have a strong opinion on 1950 one way or the other UNTIL item one of their list demanded that the University President check his privilege. What a ****ing caricature; it's honest to god what South Park has spent the last 7 weeks openly satirizing. At that point it was clear we were dealing with amateur hour. You're trying to put nuance to the demand that wasn't there - you're simply backing your horse when in fact it was an obviously tone-deaf overreach. Moreover, they had to know that he wouldn't do it because they put language that carries immediate legal significance to it. They weren't interested in demands being met - they were just looking to shout at the darkness.

I've opened the floor to several around here to show me instances of 'systematic racism' at the University of Missouri. Show me things the University has done to condone racist conduct. Show me policies in place that serve to put minority students at a disadvantage.

You say I need to show you what the University needs to do to make minority student's lives more tolerable - I am saying you need to show me where the University is to blame to begin with. Remedial action can't be imposed until liability is established.

You show me actual systematic racism - policies and procedures in place and supported by the University of Missouri that actively diminish the ability of minority students to succeed - and I'll show you where the University can make changes.

What you really mean is that that's what leftwing activists are saying. That's all you need to know in order to find your "truth".

You said trigger I know what you were trying to say. :D

South Park is our barometer for what is or isn't reasonable. South Park.

South Park is the low bar that the people you're listening to apparently couldn't clear. South Park.

It's not that the bar is low there, it's that South Park is a show that's pretty willfully ignorant about political persuasions that aren't libertarianism. It's satire that doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

The Safe Space episode from a couple of weeks ago hit most of the this on the head.

Except in that case it was people making fun of Cartman for being fat after he posted a picture of himself on the internet.

Tune in to Keitzman's show on 810WHB out of Kansas City today at 2pm. He pre-recorded an interview with Coach Pinkel and I think he's going to play it back early in his first hour. Petro hints that it's worth tuning in for (of course, he's paid in part to promote the station). Petro also indicated that Pinkel cleared the rest of his media appointments today after his talk with Keitzman, which, if true, is interesting.

Kevin Keitzman is the spokesman for "White Privilege" in Kansas City Sports Radio. His interviews are softball wastes of time as he laughs and giggles when the guest is on, then talks shit on them the rest of the week. See Alex Smith every single week.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/unive...urtful-speech/

University of Missouri Police Ask Students to Report ‘Hurtful Speech’



LMAO..."Hello, Police? Yeah, this guy, he called me a name and it hurt my feelings!"

Thanks for your irrelevant input. The draw for this interview is Pinkel, not Keitzman.

Was this supposed to be a joke or something?

Irrelevant input? Have you read these forums? Wasn't really input, more of a jest really.

It was indeed sir!

So they can spend manpower, resources, and time to come down there and be able to do absolutely nothing about it. The operators are overjoyed by this news bulletin I'm sure.

Technically they took issue with the Asian media, not white.

My bad.

Watching the video, there's more white people in that mob then there are any other race. They congealed into a mob, pushed the kid back forcefully, and kept telling him he was the asshole. That one black guy started to put his hands on him, while he was saying don't push me more than once, and the other black guy had to come tell him not to do that anymore. I just heard on Petro that the 1950 mob released a tweet reversing and distancing themselves from the actions of the people on that video. To welcome media and keep focused on whats important. The problem is the damage has been done and you've undermined your cause before it could actually gain traction.

They aren't willfully ignorant- they're overtly dismissive.

They know full well what both lunatic fringes are trying to say (on the right and left), they just find it utterly absurd. And yes, Trey Parker and Matt Stone are two extremely bright, talented satirists. Just because their chosen medium is comedy rather than pithy single-pane comics in New Yorker doesn't mean substance is worth dismissing.

Your position requires such an ivory tower approach. You act as though anyone that disagrees with you is just not educated or intelligent enough to see why you're right. I went to a friggen liberal arts school for undergrad - I was immersed in the stuff. I read at least a few of the same books you've read that have led you to the conclusion that calling a black person 'articulate' is racist. I've actively rejected that bit of loaded nonsense because it's entirely too simplistic. It's base-level, dog-whistle horseshit that lazy people use because they don't feel like actually speaking to substance.

But again, that's progressive dogma. A person does a bad thing with guns - the 99% of those that would not do said bad thing shouldn't have guns. A person does a racist thing on a college campus - said college campus should institute a racial sensitivity course to make sure that nobody ever says a racist thing again (both comically overly broad and nowhere near narrowly tailored enough to be effective, but I digress).

It absolutely is Orwellian and it's not my fault that your chosen platform so neatly adheres to a label that makes you cringe. Now you've not made it all the way to "Some people are just more equal than others" by man oh man are you getting there and frankly, 1950 very clearly made it there already.

There's not much in this post that I actually disagree with, but your last sentence strikes me as far battier than anything Concerned Student 1950 has said or asked for.

Everyone with light skin looks alike.

Back to football...I just saw this on facebook and had to share. Not sure if it's Q:
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...12&oe=5644DDBF

Wait a minute....

Tyler Hunt is white.

Has Gary Pinkel made his experience on campus less enjoyable by not giving him the ball as often as other similarly qualified peers of a different race?

TO SENSITIVITY TRAINING! And while he's there, he will check his privilege.

So, yeah... this thread is completely ruined, eh?

Kinda the theme of the season, isn't it?

Evidently the hunger strike activist's family is worth 20 million.

Not saying that obviates his message but it does make his bitching about privilege a little ironic.

:facepalm:


Although to be fair, I believe his stance was more towards the flat out racist remarks he himself had dealt with on campus than a "white privilege" issue. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I remember from his story. Perhaps if I wasn't such an uncaring racist honky I would remember the finer details?

I didn't know it was a white kid...

He was more focused on the lack of reaction to Ferguson and a couple of racist incidents that didn't target him. He then referred to nebulous racism he had encountered.

So this guy was probably my favorite professor on campus - just a brilliant, brilliant guy:

http://truthonthemarket.com/2015/11/...zzou-students/

As he's almost certainly a better lawyer in his sleep than I am on my best days, it's not terribly surprising that a throwaway blog post of his does a better job succinctly stating some of the points I've been trying to make here.

And hey, Reaper - he's a gay guy so you can even read what he says without dismissing him! Isn't that exciting?

Ted Bridis ✔ @tbridis
Mizzou journalism faculty voting to remove Click's status, call her acts 'clear violation of 1st Amendment rights' http://www.columbiamissourian.com/ne...5cacea580.html …
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Eh - that's a nothing maneuver. She doesn't work for the J School; she's in Communications (the folks that can't get into the J School).

Wofle gives a poorly worded response to an ambush question in a parking lot and then doesn't leap out of his car to address a group of people who have stopped traffic during the homecoming parade - fired. A Comm professor threatens violence against a student (screw the journalist angle - she threated a goddamn student) and she'll probably just get a censure.

Good read.

Lambert is the man. Also my wife's favorite law professor. Everyone loves that guy (even people who have gone into state politics and adopt stances that indicate they should hate him).

Excellent blog post.

This is pure bullshit. I expect better from a Mizzou educated man.

Hey remember that time I said I'd like to see some evidence of institutional racism?

How 'bout a little evidence of one of those racist incidents?

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/10/...-a-giant-hoax/

So activists have been using a photograph that purports to prove that the poop swastika thing occurred....a photograph that was taken a year before the alleged incident. No other photographs even exist and all evidence of it came from a flyer.

As 'hands up, don't shoot' has proven, it doesn't take much more than one or two people for a completely make believe story to become 'what happened'.

We'll see if any actual evidence turns up, but this is why I don't adhere to Reapers 'well they say it happened to clearly it happened' school of thought.

I'm presuming you're referring to Mr. Haahr.

In either event, that's a fairly low blow. I only knew Elijah in passing but it's fair to say that he's not 'hated' anyone he's ever known and it's fairly shitty invective like that that gets in the way.

But no, asking Wolfe to admit that his privileges contributed to his inaction & dismissal of student concerns is what's truly batty here.

Perhaps you'd be more tolerant of his position if he would have worn a dress...

Maybe he was just a detached dick that paid no attention to happenings on campus, be it good or bad for students of all ethnicities? That doesn't make him a racist or a man suffering from "white privilege", it just makes him an asshole that obviously shouldn't have been in that position in the first place. JMO.

All white people benefit from white privilege no matter how down with the cause you are. Don't you get it? It's in the skin, man.

And to be fair, maybe he really was all those things. It's hard fighting through emotion, particularly racially unjust emotion, to find the real story sometimes. Someone was making the comparison to Wolfe running Mizzou like a big business, so that's what prompted my post above.

This is the best news I've heard all day. Do I have to mail in a claim to start collecting the benefits? I'd like to get that ball rolling!

Certainly possible. However his definition of systemic oppression being when "you don’t believe that you have the equal opportunity for success" is very indicative to me of the man's white privilege blinding him to the felt realities of what it feels like to live under these conditions we collectively call oppression.

I think its important too that, in dialogues about race, white folks stop seeing words like "racist" or "privilege" as these harsh, damning things. They aren't. if someone says something that upholds or reinforces the systems that create & enable racial inequalities, well, that's by definition a racist speech act. Doesn't mean that the person is A Racist. It means that they said something that embodies a structural inequality, and strengthens it because of who said it. To admit one's privileges in life is simply to be aware of how you benefit, by choice or not, from the structures of society that enable & create inequalities.

In other words, you can act in racist ways without harboring prejudice. You can be racist in a given moment without being bigoted. Your unexamined privilege could cause you to act or think in such a way that is hurtful or erasing towards the experiences of others, while never intending to be so.

Oh for Christ sake, toughen up.

"Acknowledge his white male privilege' his a hell of a lot less benign than you're re-casting it.

And yes, it's batshit.

If it isn't benign, then what stands to be damaged? What stands to be lost?

Have you watched the video? It's pretty clear what happened.

Wolfe got caught flat footed by the question (dude was just walking up the hill to go to a basketball game and started getting shouted at by protesters) and essentially answered by trying to speak as the questioner. The answer was very clearly intended as "systematic oppression is when minorities don't have equal opportunity for success" and then when he tried to clarify his poorly phrased response, he got shouted down by the same social justice warriors that are demanding a private echo chamber on a public campus.

So you don't believe it provides clear insight into the mindset of the group that sat down and collectively created the demand?

Kinda like the football season.

Wow. Just wow.

Speaking of "just wow"...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please read our response to the events involving Janna Basler yesterday. <a href="https://t.co/cfu0n48vjA">https://t.co/cfu0n48vjA</a> <a href="https://t.co/52cjHbOEgd">pic.twitter.com/52cjHbOEgd</a></p>&mdash; Mizzou IFC (@MizzouIFC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MizzouIFC/status/664206947332304896">November 10, 2015</a></blockquote>
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"Fire Wolfe for the actions of other people that may or may not have occurred and may or may not have have anything to do with the University!"

But hey, that girl that physically confronted a fellow student, pissed on the 1st Amendment and nationally embarrassed a University known nationwide for its Journalism School....yeah, let's not look too closely at that, m'kay?

I don't think that it is clear that Wolfe intended it that way. That's a reasonable interpretation, of course. But it's just as reasonable to me that he meant it as he said it: with the implication that the equal opportunity is there if only people would realize it. I also acknowledge that he was put in a position where he was more likely to make a mistake in phrasing, and I'll go so far as to say that those questioning him on the street were probably hoping that he'd slip up.

Your reading of Wolfe's intent is consistent with you wanting me to focus on the overall points you make and not the phrasing that suggests certain subtexts, so I'll ignore your use of echo chamber & SJW here.

Echo chamber is a loaded phrase now?

Oh for ****s sake.

Nope. Actually referring to two other state legislators, one of whom I've known since we were 14-15 and another who graduated with my wife, who I witnessed slurring gay men on many occasions.

"Hate" is perhaps overly strong. "Disdain" is more apt. Or "dehumanize." Or "belittle and judge."

No, it isn't a loaded phrase or dog whistle phrase.

My bone to pick with your use of it though is that it implies the student movement isn't interested in conflicting ideas or wants to be protected by them. Granted, the media safe space fiasco provides legitimate evidence to that interpretation (though the people in the viral video weren't self-appointed allies to Concerned Student 1950 & weren't necessarily acting how the group would have liked them to, and CS1950 has dropped their media policy as of today).

But they ARE getting contrasting, opposing ideas. They are hearing those ideas loud & clear. Consider how much of the movement has been broadcasted through social media. All of the groups members (and many of their direct supporters, notably Mizzou football players) have had people in their Twitter mentions for days and days. They aren't closed off from outside ideas to the degree that "echo chamber" suggests. That they dropped their media policy is evidence that either 1.) they learned from a mistake, or 2.) that the felt pressure enough to make a change that they'd rather not make. Either way, a true echo chamber would have prevented that change from happening.

If I were a Mizzou Greek, I'd transfer at my earliest opportunity. A ****ing staff member physically harassing a student is inexcusable.

Not really, this is MIZZOU football 2015.

holy shit...

oregon shooter week ago...

https://twitter.com/tayyshmayy/statu...56446058487809


and mizzou yikyak today...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTflIh7VAAAb_dD.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTflIh7U8AIsavW.jpg


shits gettin real folks

One of the select few times where you hope it's just a dumbass trolling.

As the world turns!!

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</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">11/10</td> <td class="bg2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">10:50am</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-185 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+160 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-5 -135 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+5 +115 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">11/10</td> <td class="bg2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">11:15am</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-185 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+160 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-4.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+4.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">11/10</td> <td class="bg2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">1:05pm</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-205 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+175 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-4.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+4.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">11/10</td> <td class="bg2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">4:40pm</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-205 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+175 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-5 -135 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+5 +115 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">11/10</td> <td class="bg2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">5:15pm</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-205 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+175 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-4.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+4.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> <td class="bg2"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">11/10</td> <td class="bg2" align="right" nowrap="nowrap">5:20pm</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-205 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+175 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-6.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+6.5 -110 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap">
</td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> BYU-3 </td> <td class="bg2" nowrap="nowrap"> MISSOU+3 </td> <td class="bg2">
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NO JUSTICE! NO PEACE!

We think she's cool...so **** your 1st Amendment in the ear!!!

"We hope, as with Hillary Clinton, that everyone ignore the negatives and supports her because she has a vagina."

BYU is gonna open up a can of whoop ass. Between the team sucking and this embarrassing fiasco I don't think I'll mind it one bit this weekend.