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*** Official 2016 Royals Offseason Repository ***
(https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=295826)
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Tmw4h5 can bluster all he wants about big market advantages over small market teams being "bullshit", but when one team gets $250 million per year from their local TV contract and another team gets $20 million, it's not bullshit. It's reality. That being said, it's also not an excuse for failure. Big market teams have shown a propensity for recklessly spending money and seriously underperforming their payrolls. I'd much rather have a small market team with a smart GM like Dayton Moore than a big market team with a lunkhead for a GM. The Yankees, Dodgers and Angels haven't accomplished anything with their massive payrolls. That's because they are the teams who sign the aging superstars to hundred million dollar contracts. If Alex Gordon winds up going that route, I say more power to him, and kudos to the Royals for making a smart business decision to let him go. |
Set your DVRs. Fox Sports 1 has the top 100 plays of the MLB season from 7-8 pm tonight and some 2015 World Series special from 8-10 pm.
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Again, this team was able to sustain a payroll of $125m this year after last year's performance. This year, we averaged 9,000 more people PER game. At $29.76 for the average ticket price x 9,000 x 81 home games. That's $21,695,040 extra. We also had 8 playoff games which brought in something along the lines of $4.9m per game . Basically $40m extra from the playoffs in addition to the nearly $22m from the regular season. Where the **** is this money supposed to go? Hosmer WILL NOT sign in KC. Do you want to give a 31 year old Cain money? What about Moustakas? Do you want to pay $20m/year for a closer like Wade Davis? This team could easily operate at a payroll of $160m for the foreseeable future, with or without a new TV contract. The more that you people convince yourself that this team needs to operate at $120m/year, the more David Glass gets to jerk off onto piles of your money. |
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I think hos and moose stay together.
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I'm not arguing that the Royals should keep their payroll at any set amount. I'm pointing out that the Royals have to spend their money judiciously. If you give $100,000,000 to an aging Alex Gordon, you GUARANTEE that Hosmer will leave because (1) you won't have the money to give him, and (2) why the **** would Hosmer consider anything less than full market value if an aging Alex Gordon got full market value? |
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Small market teams shouldn't spend their money on aging superstars who get overpaid by big market teams. The Cardinals faced a similar decision a few years ago with Albert Pujols. Pujols wound up signing a contract with the Angels for $240 million for 10 years at age of 32. That was a ****ing ridiculous contract, since Pujols was at the age when nearly every player starts to decline. He was 32. (How old is Alex Gordon again?) Letting Pujols walk seems to have worked out pretty well for the Cardinals, considering that they have made the playoffs each of the 4 years since Pujols left, including the World Series in 2013. And what have the Angels done since they gave Pujols his $240 million contract? Well, they did make the playoffs ONCE in 4 years (got swept by the small market team). If tmw4h5 had been a Cardinals fan back then, he would have probably wanted to lynch the Cardinals GM. The Royals need to follow the model of the Cardinals, not the Angels. |
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Pujols = Gordon Holliday, Wainwright, Molina = Hosmer, Moustakas, Davis That's how you sustain a winning organization. You don't put all of your eggs in the aging superstar's basket. |
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I wouldn't go quite that far, nobody's going to give Gordon $200M, but the idea of paying someone for their declining years is more valid.
My greater point was how much more will Hosmer and Moose get than Gordon? You obviously can't afford to give every one of these guys $20M a year, unless you're the Dodgers. So you have to pick and choose... but there is the risk Hos/Moose could walk. Giving it to guys still in their 20's definitely seems like the safer play. Although I think Gordon is tough and will age okay. His defense may decline but he'll hold his own at the plate. |
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I sincerely hope he and Dayton Moore find a way to make it happen. But if it doesn't, I'm not going to call the Royals a bunch of cheap bastards. |
My position is Gordon is a safe bet to resign. He doesn't have Holliday's bat but if that bastard can play left field up until he is 36, which would be around when Gordon's contract comes up if we resign, its fine.
2017 we are blowing this bitch up for the most part, or reloading at several positions. Gordon to me makes more sense to resign than Cain, Escobar, and Moose. Hosmer is going to be tough. Salvy should be a lock for a big contract. |
Something I'm sure the suits are taking into consideration but the average fan may not be is that the Royals must remain competitive enough over the next couple of years to ensure that new tv contract is huge. If they mortgage the future to try and repeat year and miss the playoffs and the bandwagon
fan turns on them, they could cost themselves long term tv money. |
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and he will be a below league average LF. |
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The Diamondbacks signed a 10 year, $1 billion dollar contract last year and they haven't won anything in forever. |
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It's a much better argument than just calling the Royals a bunch of cheap bastards and saying David Glass wants to jerk off on the money. |
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Very good. |
Is the DVD good? I got it for Christmas haven't watched it yet. Everyone just got me Royals stuff for Christmas this year. It was pretty sweet.
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My gut feeling is Gordon will wait to try to suck out as much as he can, but in the end stays in KC. I don't think the money difference will be enough to make him want to leave.
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If the Royals really did offer him 4/50, I can't see how he'd want to stay. That's an almost insulting offer.
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The Royals messed up signing the Fox contract deal, I've listened to local sports radio DJ's say that Fox should re-negotiate the contract because it is to low and the Royals should be receiving more money.
I laugh at people who think like that, Fox would be fools to do that. |
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Same thing with Salvy wanting a new deal. |
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If a player wants to say "I'm going to take the other team's offer for $100 million because I'd be a fool to turn down $100 million", that's fine. If a player says "I find that offer insulting", then he can go **** himself. The Cardinals initial offer to Albert Pujols in 2011 was a 5 year contract for $130 million. Pujols wife told the press that Albert was insulted by that offer. I certainly don't blame Pujols for taking the $254 million contract from the Angels. But for him to say a $130 million contract offer is INSULTING shows how out of touch with reality most of these overpaid athletes are. |
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I think I'm enjoying the World Series win more now than when it happened. Over the past few days, I've been watching the various specials on the Series and the fan-made tributes. It's just incredible. To share this with my kids has been even better. There aren't too many days that we aren't rocking our WS gear.
Thank you so much to this team. It's been a great season that will likely get better with age. |
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Trust the process. |
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If a baseball player is so out of touch and immature that they are "insulted" by an offer worth more than 10 million a year, then I don't want that player on my team. If its too low, fine, but I'd expect both sides to be rational adults about a salary negotiation.
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Just because they are in a different universe of earnings doesn't mean they can't be insulted by job offers. Insulted is a really strong word. It could be reported that he's insulted, when in fact he's disappointed how far apart they are. If he's being a petulant child, that's one thing. Or if it is a case like King Carl of the management being a petulant child, that's another. You can still be technically insulted, but still willing to work with the other party without harboring ill will. The word insulted carries a lot of negative connotation that isn't necessarily always the case. |
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I remember many years ago when Rickey Henderson signed a contract that made him the highest paid player in baseball. He was all happy and smiling. Then a couple of months later (still in the same offseason), somebody else signed a bigger contract. Henderson got pissed off and said he wanted to renegotiate. That's about the time I stopped giving a damn if a player gets insulted by a contract offer that pays him more for one season than most people make in their lifetimes. |
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Source: Yankees are on the verge of acquiring Aroldis Chapman from the Reds.</p>— Jack Curry (@JackCurryYES) <a href="https://twitter.com/JackCurryYES/status/681582770091651072">December 28, 2015</a></blockquote>
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@JonHeymanCBS: jagielo and davis go to reds in chapman deal
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@zachrymer: If the Yankees do keep Chapman, Miller and Betances, they're basically the Royals...minus the speed, contact and defense.
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Intresting factoid!
But nobody was more convinced that everything happens in threes than Royals rookie Paulo Orlando. He had to wait until age 29 to reach the big leagues. But once he got there, every time he looked up, he was dusting himself off at third base. Here are his first seven career hits, courtesy of loyal tweeter Ed Bartel: triple, triple, triple, single, triple, single, triple. So that's more triples in his first seven hits than Victor Martinez has unfurled in his first 1,776 hits. |
Interesting factoid 2.
Exactly once in the history of the Royals had they ever pulled a pitcher working on a no-hitter in the sixth inning or later. Then, naturally, Ned Yost did it twice this year -- to the same guy (Chris Young). |
Interesting factoid 3.
It's safe to say Jeremy Guthrie isn't as big a fan of Yankee Stadium as, say, Babe Ruth. In his May 25 visit to the Bronx, he gave up 11 earned runs. And four homers. And allowed 13 baserunners. And got three outs. So who else has ever done that, you ask? Nobody has ever done that. |
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Was hoping the Royals would sign him.
@MLBRosterMoves: .@Athletics sign RHP Henderson Alvarez to 1-year contract. #HotStove |
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He was going to be scapegoated for the series. |
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Well damn, you are correct. I guess I remembered Henderson leaping up and ATTEMPTING to make a great play, and I forgot the part about him not actually making the play at all. Come to think of it, that was part of the drama, wasn't it? Dave Henderson's redemption by hitting the game winning home run. 30 years from now I'll probably be telling people how vividly I remember the Royals winning the 2014 World Series on Alex Gordon's inside-the-park home run in game 7. |
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I think the Royals would be willing to go 4 for $70 mil, but that would probably be the ending point. They're looking to lock up some younger guys in the next couple years and you don't invest the kind of money Gordo's agent is wanting in a player in their 30's, whose value is very tied up in his defense. Range and speed will decline with age. That being said, with the plethora of second tier OF options available at cheaper rates, wouldn't shock me if Gordo ended up back in KC at 4 for 70 . . . . |
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/2015 Royals wannabes |
When DM took over, what if he said "within 10 years I'll have won a World Series, gone to another one, and had the Yankees copying my methods"
The press room would've erupted in laughter. |
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That is why I won't complain no matter what happens with Alex Gordon. GMDM seems to know what the hell he's doing. Any Royals fan who panics now and says bullshit like "The Royals are just cheap bastards" and "David Glass just wants to jerk off on piles of our money" has not been paying attention the last 5 years. |
@royalsclubhouse: Alex Gordon, to Lincoln Journal Star, after being asked about Heyman's claim last week that there was no chance of KC contract. "No truth."
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It sounds like Alex Gordon wasn't insulted by the Royals initial offer after all.
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I figured that's the case.
This Heyman individual needs to be neg repped/trolled into submission. |
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The problem is, how can one identify how much the market is for Gordon if Upton and Cespedes are still on the market? The longer those two guys who are out there, I have to think it hurts Gordon's value on the market. Plus, you do remember Michael Bourn? He had to settle for 4/$48M and Bourn was a year younger than Alex when QO-tagged. I think Alex will find something between 4 years $80 with a 5th year option (you know how much GMDM loves those options), in my opinion. |
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Back to back WS is a lot harder than even getting on a hot streak and winning one. That dictates true talent and not simply dumb luck. |
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It could still happen, but it is just as likely that the waters have cooled a bit and teams have rethought how much and how long they want to offer him. |
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I just heard on 610 that they will be playing the radio broadcast of each postseason game in a row starting soon. I didn't catch exactly what day and time it would start though.
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Gordon is paying 4% to his agent?
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Here is an article on Gordon's agent
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...inter/6547277/ Doesn't sound like the Ari Gold type. :D |
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