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Lzen 02-19-2018 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan (Post 13424054)
During our streak, we've had plenty of studs along the way who have ended up on the bench with injury.

I don't see many non-KU fans giving us any slack for not having Preston.

So screw Evans.
I'll take #14 anyway we can get it.

:harumph:

Exactly

Lzen 02-19-2018 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13424677)
Over the streak.

Our big contributors have stayed healthy largely.

Embiid was a huge loss. While not an injury, Cliff Alexander was a loss, as well. Keith Langford's injury was the main reason we were a 4 seed and lost to Bucknell in 2005.

lawrenceRaider 02-19-2018 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13424827)
Embiid was a huge loss. While not an injury, Cliff Alexander was a loss, as well. Keith Langford's injury was the main reason we were a 4 seed and lost to Bucknell in 2005.

Ellis playing on one leg the year we lost to WSU sucked pretty hard as well.

BigRedChief 02-19-2018 10:21 AM

Looking ahead it looks like Self could go to his traditional "in and out" post game he's done the majority of time at KU. We are going to have some quality big guys next season especially if Doke sticks around. He plays the rest of the way and in a couple of tourney games like he did on Saturday, could the NBA come a calling this year?

cmh6476 02-19-2018 10:38 AM

When I bought tix for my son for Xmas to tonight's game I really thought this would be the game that would decide the conference winner. While OU hasn't lived up to expectations still as much on the line as ever

Lzen 02-19-2018 12:01 PM

Cole Aldrich speaks at jersey retirement
 
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nIYyVuQukDA" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

smithandrew051 02-19-2018 12:11 PM

I was telling my friend at the beginning of conference play that the real secret to the Streak is not getting swept. If you get swept by anyone, it’s so much harder to win the title.

That is officially the key for Kansas. Not getting swept by anyone guarantees at least a share of the title.

saphojunkie 02-19-2018 01:00 PM

Gee, I wonder if maybe the discrepancy between KU's regular season success (the streak) and it's tournament disappointments (Elite 8 losses) is at least in part due to its best front court players not being healthy and available in March.

Prison Bitch 02-19-2018 01:04 PM

Why was coles jersey retired?

RockChalk 02-19-2018 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13425078)
Why was coles jersey retired?

Just to give you something to complain about

KC_Connection 02-19-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13425078)
Why was coles jersey retired?

Highest WS/40 rate of any college player of the last decade, easily the best and most valuable non-four year KU player of the Self era, and beat Tyler Hansbrough down in the semifinal game in '08 on the way to the only title in 30 years.

Yeah, I really have no idea why either.

Prison Bitch 02-19-2018 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13425282)
Highest WS/40 rate of any college player of the last decade, easily the best and most valuable non-four year KU player of the Self era, and beat Tyler Hansbrough down in the semifinal game in '08 on the way to the only title in 30 years.

Yeah, I really have no idea why either.


Ludicrous.

lawrenceRaider 02-19-2018 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13425324)
Ludicrous.

Cole's performance in that game? Yeah, it was.

Prison Bitch 02-19-2018 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13425282)
Highest WS/40 rate of any college player of the last decade

Ludicrous part 2. First player I googled was his Big 12 contemporary Blake Griffin. Sure enough, Blake leads .290/40 to .282/40. Literally first (and only) guy I googled.


Why do you do this shit when people have internet browsers?

InvinciBill 02-19-2018 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13425282)
Highest WS/40 rate of any college player of the last decade, easily the best and most valuable non-four year KU player of the Self era, and beat Tyler Hansbrough down in the semifinal game in '08 on the way to the only title in 30 years.

Yeah, I really have no idea why either.

Academic all-american

KC_Connection 02-19-2018 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13425338)
Ludicrous part 2. First player I googled was his Big 12 contemporary Blake Griffin. Sure enough, Blake leads .290/40 to .282/40. Literally first (and only) guy I googled.


Why do you do this shit when people have internet browsers?

You're exactly right. Looks like Aldrich was basically on par with the five time NBA All-Star Blake Griffin in terms of rate production and did it over one more season at the college level. Yeah, really no idea why they'd retire his jersey. LMAO

Lzen 02-19-2018 03:27 PM

Is there anything that PB won't bitch about these days?

Lzen 02-19-2018 03:30 PM

Another thing for PB to bitch about?
 
Sherron Collins is getting his jersey retired at tonight's game.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/f...ens_basketball

Prison Bitch 02-19-2018 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13425412)
Sherron Collins is getting his jersey retired at tonight's game.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/f...ens_basketball

https://media.giphy.com/media/NTkPcydaGnuvu/giphy.gif

CoMoChief 02-19-2018 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13425412)
Sherron Collins is getting his jersey retired at tonight's game.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/f...ens_basketball

They need to hang his jersey up in the Jayhawk Towers elevator.

Lzen 02-19-2018 04:05 PM

Found this interesting. In light of the free throws vs West Virginia on Saturday.


https://sports.yahoo.com/myth-realit...171947534.html

Basically, it says that KU is above average at getting free throws on the road as well as at home, but they obviously have a huge home court advantage. Duh, Allen Fieldhouse is one of the most intimidating places for opponents and energizing for the home team. In that way, it's a lot like Arrowhead is for the Chiefs. That being said, since 2004-2005, they only have the 38th best home free throw advantage.


A little more info from posters in the comments section:

Alfredo
A few things are true:

1. West Virginia plays a very high pressure, physical style of defense.
2. West Virginia spent a TON of time launching long distance shots.
3. Kansas either forced the ball inside or attacked the paint off the dribble.
4. Kansas was called for 14 fouls, and WVU was called for 24. When you look at FOULS CALLED, the discrepancy is not as big as the free throw discrepancy would lead you to believe.

Look, folks, you don't get to shoot free throws just because you got fouled. You either have to be in the act of shooting, or be in the bonus.

Sercer88
The reality is, Kansas made a concerted effort to get into the paint, and were largely fouled while shooting, while most of the fouls against Kansas were on the floor.
I know the main point of this article is specifically "free throw disparity" but that's not an accurate depiction of "fair whistle."
Since when do teams HAVE to have equal free throws or even equal fouls? Equal does not mean fair. Some times teams foul more than others. And single games can have extremely skewed foul discrepancies.
The fact of the matter is that KU, in the last 60 home games (so, the last 3.5 years or so) has had the 38th best "home foul advantage" per KenPom numbers. Even though you need a subscription to see the details of these rankings, I will tell you this right now that over that same 60 home game span, 6 OTHER Big 12 teams have an even bigger "home foul advantage" than KU, including the #1 best advantage (Iowa State.)

Reerun_KC 02-19-2018 07:57 PM

Looking forward to this since the debacle at Norman.

We get our revenge and stomp OU!

Chiefspants 02-19-2018 08:18 PM

I would love it if we could start keeping up this level of play for an entire game.

Buehler445 02-19-2018 08:19 PM

Nice to see some intensity.

Buehler445 02-19-2018 08:21 PM

Lightfoot wrecking pussies. ROFL

TribalElder 02-19-2018 08:28 PM

Home cooking should help tonight

Looks like OU is not match so far

Buehler445 02-19-2018 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 13425870)
Home cooking should help tonight

Looks like OU is not match so far

LOL. Refs are out to prove they’re not biased this game.

TambaBerry 02-19-2018 09:07 PM

Always the shittiest players on the other teams go off

Buehler445 02-19-2018 09:12 PM

Where are all the mother****ers saying the refs love KU?

Chiefspants 02-19-2018 09:32 PM

So uh, this version of De Sousa...

Bearcat 02-19-2018 09:32 PM

Looked like OU had it figured out, then went back to not having a concept of offense or the importance of possessions when you're down double digits on the road.

farmerchief 02-19-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13425951)
So uh, this version of De Sousa...

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Pablo 02-19-2018 09:38 PM

This version of KU is pretty easy to watch eh fellas?

I'm sure PB saw plenty he doesn't like so far though.

Silock 02-19-2018 09:43 PM

This shooting performance is INSANITY.

Bearcat 02-19-2018 10:00 PM

Obligatory (and completely pointless), if they play like that Saturday...

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-19-2018 10:01 PM

Oklahoma is very good defensively.

Al Czervik 02-19-2018 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fahrenheit (Post 13426017)
Oklahoma is very good defensively.

Bout time for Lon to be moving on......
Trae saved him this year....
After he leaves for the league....Lon goes too.

KC_Connection 02-19-2018 10:11 PM

Does Trae Young think giving a defensive effort is beneath him or something?

Buehler445 02-19-2018 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13426035)
Does Trae Young think giving a defensive effort is beneath him or something?

One of my friends told me that teams were gameplanning for him like nobody else in the NCAA and it isn't fair.

He's really good, but Christ is he a ****.

DanBecky 02-19-2018 10:21 PM

Been awhile since we’ve seen a game like that at home. It was rather enjoyable.

smithandrew051 02-19-2018 10:24 PM

With the exception of Teahan (who was 0-1), every KU player that took a shot hit at least 50% from the field.

Bearcat 02-19-2018 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 13426035)
Does Trae Young think giving a defensive effort is beneath him or something?

He treats games like his own personal shoot around, so I could see why he's annoyed when he has to wait to get the ball back.

Buehler445 02-19-2018 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 13426051)
With the exception of Teahan (who was 0-1), every KU player that took a shot hit at least 50% from the field.

OU was hot ****ing garbage defensively.

Pants 02-19-2018 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 13426016)
Obligatory (and completely pointless), if they play like that Saturday...

If only Tech's defense was a shitty as OU's. :( :( :(

Buehler445 02-19-2018 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13426057)
If only Tech's defense was a shitty as OU's. :( :( :(

There were several times where our guys were like, "What? You're not going to guard me? OK..."

BigRedChief 02-19-2018 10:53 PM

Wonder if Trae Young regrets not coming to KU now?

Chiefs Pantalones 02-19-2018 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 13426052)
He treats games like his own personal shoot around, so I could see why he's annoyed when he has to wait to get the ball back.

That’s why he chose OU over KU. In an interview with Rivals last spring a few months after he committed, his dad said if they would’ve gotten a better idea around their time frame if Graham was leaving he would’ve went to KU. He wanted to be the man, showcase his talents to get noticed enough so he could be a OAD. He had no interest playing second fiddle or playing more than one year. That wouldn’t have been possible at KU with Graham potentially coming back. It all worked out for the best though. He wouldn’t be playing right now with the way he turns it over and refuses to play defense. Self isn’t having none of that.

Chiefspants 02-19-2018 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefs Pantalones (Post 13426095)
That’s why he chose OU over KU. In an interview with Rivals last spring a few months after he committed, his dad said if they would’ve gotten a better idea around their time frame if Graham was leaving he would’ve went to KU. He wanted to be the man, showcase his talents to get noticed enough so he could be a OAD. He had no interest playing second fiddle or playing more than one year. That wouldn’t have been possible at KU with Graham potentially coming back. It all worked out for the best though. He wouldn’t be playing right now with the way he turns it over and refuses to play defense. Self isn’t having none of that.

The word from Duncan is he avoided MU for similar reasons (second fiddle to MPJ).

Sorry to bring them up - but this seems to be a trend for Trae.

Buehler445 02-19-2018 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426084)
Wonder if Trae Young regrets not coming to KU now?

He’d be real pissed with Self not letting him take naps on defense.

BWillie 02-19-2018 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13425338)
Ludicrous part 2. First player I googled was his Big 12 contemporary Blake Griffin. Sure enough, Blake leads .290/40 to .282/40. Literally first (and only) guy I googled.


Why do you do this shit when people have internet browsers?

I just imagine PB as an angry 60 year old grey haired man who drives a huge F350 pick up ywt has never caught a fish or towed a trailer in his life.

Prison Bitch 02-20-2018 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13426096)
The word from Duncan is he avoided MU for similar reasons (second fiddle to MPJ).

Sorry to bring them up - but this seems to be a trend for Trae.

He had literally zero chance of ending up at Mizzouche


He was going to OU all along. Always hung out with the players, was at their games and in their locker room constantly.

TambaBerry 02-20-2018 07:04 AM

Trae Young is overrated, remember a few weeks ago when i posted about my buddy a huge OU fan not liking Trae and a lot of people here gave me shit about it. Yeah, can you see why now?

Buehler445 02-20-2018 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13426203)
Trae Young is overrated, remember a few weeks ago when i posted about my buddy a huge OU fan not liking Trae and a lot of people here gave me shit about it. Yeah, can you see why now?

Yeah, if he'd just shut the **** up and stop thinking he's Steph Curry (he's not) and just go to work, he'd be a great player that would be drafted high. But he can't. Because he's a ****.

BigRedChief 02-20-2018 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13426211)
Yeah, if he'd just shut the **** up and stop thinking he's Steph Curry (he's not) and just go to work, he'd be a great player that would be drafted high. But he can't. Because he's a ****.

Isn't he a lottery pick in most mocks?

On a side note, Graham gets drafted but no one else. Does everyone else stay?

Lzen 02-20-2018 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426226)
Isn't he a lottery pick in most mocks?

On a side note, Graham gets drafted but no one else. Does everyone else stay?

Svi is a senior. Vick is a junior and Newman is a soph or jr but I wouldn't be unhappy to see them gone if it means we land Langford. That being said, Vick has been playing better the past 3 games. Hope he keeps it up. Newman can score well at times but he still doesn't play much defense.

I just looked at a couple of mock drafts and they both have Graham in the second round. One even has Svi as a late second rounder.

Lzen 02-20-2018 08:24 AM

I found this interesting. This mock has Svi going late first round to the Spurs. That actually makes a lot of sense to me. The team, not where they project him to be picked. That does seem a little high to me.

Quote:

26 team logo SPURS
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk | Kansas | Sr. | SG
I'll admit it: I had written off Svi. I guess that's what happens when a guy enters college at age 17: He'll finish his Kansas career at age 20, and we forget how much development he still has to come despite being a college senior. He was a maddening and inconsistent player early in his Kansas career, but now he's averaging 16.5 points per game on elite 3-point shooting (47.3 percent). There's a place for a Svi in the NB
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/n...l-possibility/

Lzen 02-20-2018 08:30 AM

I think Azabuke will not enter the draft. I don't see his name on any mocks (albeit many of them don't mock the 2nd round) not to mention that there are a lot of centers already in this draft. I think he comes back next year and will be unstoppable.

Prison Bitch 02-20-2018 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TambaBerry (Post 13426203)
Trae Young is overrated, remember a few weeks ago when i posted about my buddy a huge OU fan not liking Trae and a lot of people here gave me shit about it. Yeah, can you see why now?

No, that's not what happened. You said OU fans were sick of hearing about him all over the media.

BigRedChief 02-20-2018 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13426264)
Svi is a senior. Vick is a junior and Newman is a soph or jr but I wouldn't be unhappy to see them gone if it means we land Langford. That being said, Vick has been playing better the past 3 games. Hope he keeps it up. Newman can score well at times but he still doesn't play much defense.

I just looked at a couple of mock drafts and they both have Graham in the second round. One even has Svi as a late second rounder.

Wont Newman be back? It looks like he's no where in these mock drafts.

Lzen 02-20-2018 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426316)
Wont Newman be back? It looks like he's no where in these mock drafts.

Yeah, he will probably be back. I was just hoping one or both of he and Vick might transfer. At least Vick has been playing better as of late. Newman, if he could just figure out how to score consistently and play better defense, he would actually be a pretty good player.

Lzen 02-20-2018 09:05 AM

http://bracketmatrix.com/rankings.html

BigRedChief 02-20-2018 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13426346)

Most have us at #1 seed. Assuming that we will beat TT. Seems surprising to me to be ranked that high especially the way we have played this year. Must be the blue blood thing?

BigRedChief 02-20-2018 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13426345)
Yeah, he will probably be back. I was just hoping one or both of he and Vick might transfer. At least Vick has been playing better as of late. Newman, if he could just figure out how to score consistently and play better defense, he would actually be a pretty good player.

Newman transfer? Sit out another year? No way that happens.

Prison Bitch 02-20-2018 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426353)
Must be the blue blood thing?

Quality wins

Fansy the Famous Bard 02-20-2018 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426353)
Most have us at #1 seed. Assuming that we will beat TT. Seems surprising to me to be ranked that high especially the way we have played this year. Must be the blue blood thing?

There was a stat showed during the game last night. I think it read something like KU has the most BPI top 50 wins in the country this year.

Lzen 02-20-2018 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426358)
Newman transfer? Sit out another year? No way that happens.

Yeah, you're probably right. It was just wishful thinking on my part. Actually, he can figure out how to score consistently and defend then I'll be happy with him.

Bearcat 02-20-2018 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426353)
Most have us at #1 seed. Assuming that we will beat TT. Seems surprising to me to be ranked that high especially the way we have played this year. Must be the blue blood thing?

Everybody sucks.

Well, maybe not sucks, but I don't know who has a great case to be a 1 or 2 above KU. They've been on the 2 line for a while, but Purdue lost 3 in a row and Auburn just lost to South Carolina... OTOH, KU has the most wins against the top 25 and top 5.

And of course, the whole "softest KU team ever" and "the streak is over" stuff is said every year... not to say it's all complete BS this year and they'll be in another Elite Eight, but I'm sure the chicken little shit skews perception some.

Buehler445 02-20-2018 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426353)
Most have us at #1 seed. Assuming that we will beat TT. Seems surprising to me to be ranked that high especially the way we have played this year. Must be the blue blood thing?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 13426423)
Everybody sucks.

Well, maybe not sucks, but I don't know who has a great case to be a 1 or 2 above KU. They've been on the 2 line for a while, but Purdue lost 3 in a row and Auburn just lost to South Carolina... OTOH, KU has the most wins against the top 25 and top 5.

And of course, the whole "softest KU team ever" and "the streak is over" stuff is said every year... not to say it's all complete BS this year and they'll be in another Elite Eight, but I'm sure the chicken little shit skews perception some.

Pretty much this. Everyone is hot garbage. Or at least has played like it for a few games.

I don't envy the committee.

Lzen 02-20-2018 09:59 AM

A few weeks ago I thought KU would be a 3 seed and possibly be lucky enough to get a 2. I never thought KU would be in line for a 1 seed. That's crazy.

Buehler445 02-20-2018 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426226)
Isn't he a lottery pick in most mocks?

On a side note, Graham gets drafted but no one else. Does everyone else stay?

I'd be surprised if Young wasn't Lottery. But after Wright got drafted I quit trying to guess was execs will do.

Pablo 02-20-2018 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lzen (Post 13426458)
A few weeks ago I thought KU would be a 3 seed and possibly be lucky enough to get a 2. I never thought KU would be in line for a 1 seed. That's crazy.

Yeah, I have to agree.

A whole bunch of turds out there this year. This team included.

This could be the year Bail brings home another title!

lawrenceRaider 02-20-2018 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13426464)
I'd be surprised if Young wasn't Lottery. But after Wright got drafted I quit trying to guess was execs will do.

I've been wrong about how players will do in the NBA plenty of time, but I don't see Young excelling in the NBA as a scorer. He's a hell of a distributor though, and should do just fine on the offensive end in the NBA. He sure looks like a defensive liability though.

SuperChief 02-20-2018 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 13426464)
I'd be surprised if Young wasn't Lottery. But after Josh Selby got drafted I quit trying to guess was execs will do.

FYP

Buehler445 02-20-2018 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperChief (Post 13426498)
FYP

What? Selby got drafted? Seriously? I don’t remember that at all.

Buehler445 02-20-2018 10:41 AM

49th pick. I will be damned.

BWillie 02-20-2018 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13426353)
Most have us at #1 seed. Assuming that we will beat TT. Seems surprising to me to be ranked that high especially the way we have played this year. Must be the blue blood thing?

KU has the most Quadrant 1 and Quadrant 2 wins, and it isn't really even close. Are they as good as a Top 4 team in the country? Probably not. But we don't use predictive measures and Kenpom to seed teams. We seed them based on what they have earned. If they earn a Big 12 title, in the Top 1 or 2 conference in America. They are a #1 seed.

BWillie 02-20-2018 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 13426467)
Yeah, I have to agree.

A whole bunch of turds out there this year. This team included.

This could be the year Bail brings home another title!

Cue the 19th year in a row people claim college basketball is having a "down" year.

Plenty of good teams out there, just more parity, IMO.

Prison Bitch 02-20-2018 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pablo (Post 13426467)
Yeah, I have to agree.

A whole bunch of turds out there this year. This team included.

This could be the year Bail brings home another title!

Doubtful Bail even gets out of the first weekend.

lawrenceRaider 02-20-2018 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13426687)
Doubtful Bail even gets out of the first weekend.

I think the odds are even that we drop out in the first weekend, or make another E8. I wouldn't be shocked either way.

Chiefspants 02-20-2018 11:54 AM

Louisville just got stripped of their 2013 NCAA Title. The NCAA claims it was due to stripper parties, but they're also likely trying to get out in front of the ADIDAS news that will drop this year.


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