From what I heard that its pretty standard for managers and players to text each other these days.
Agreed. Even if you text regurally to all, if there is an issue of any kind, you talk face to face. Especially if you are moving a player to another position and planning a long term change in the batting order.

I agree. We have the 3rd highest attendance in baseball so far this year. Only below the Yankees and Dodgers. Maybe thats enough for Dewitt to keep Meathead. He has to know that despite the attendance numbers that a very large portion of the fan base is disgusted with the performance of the team.


We have to lose to have any chance of Dewitt making a move on Matheny.

That turd Mabry needs flushed as well

Anyone fired yet?

Unfortunately I think it’s a package deal with Matheny. Unless Mike throws Mabry under the bus to save his job.

they fired the 3rd base coach, the bench coach. The bullpen coach. they fired the pitching coach last year after having the 3rd lowest era in MLB that included the shitstorm that was our bullpen.

Our offense has been horrendous for over 3 years. Players digressed. Yet the batting coach has remained. Why? no other explanation other than he’s been the managers best friend for a long time.

no but Fowler is playing. Munoz playing CF. That’s not a typo. Our best outfielder with 17 defensive runs saved sits on the bench.

Yeah, how the **** is Munoz starting in CF?

That’s more value than Fowler has provided the rest of season combined.

From the right side this season, 3/40. .070 average, all singles.

The White Sox look horrible. The ball game was already over. Let’s wait and see if he’s turned it around.

This seems like BS (some beat writer's conjecture), but would love it to be true. Especially if we keep Jedd and it is Wong going.

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How do the Mets get better long term in that deal? Don’t see it happening.

Jose Martinez and Wong or Gyrko for DeGrom? I don't see any chance of that happening.

So the Royals get Jose Martinez and a reliever, the Mets get Moustakas and Gyorko/Wong, and the Cardinals get deGrom and Cabrera?

That's worse than some of the most homeristic fan forum mlb the show trades.

Here's a rental and middle aged infielder, New York. Now give us one of the best pitchers in baseball thats in the middle of a Cy Young season and controlled for the next 2 1/2 years.

With Reyes' arm about to fall off I dont think the Cardinals could even pull off a trade for deGrom. It's gonna take an astronomical deal for the Mets to trade him.

Yeah, thats some serious BS.

St. Louis radio jocks pushing Jose Martinez/Wong/Ozuna/Heisly/Weaver to Tampa Bay for Archer and Duffy. Which is a way over pay. No one that posts in here thinks Archer is that good. I live about 5 minutes about from the stadium. Guarantee my neighbors would jump on that deal as soon as it was proposed. They know Archer is good but overrated.

It's just that time of the year when fans think they can package your shit and trade it to get some others teams good players.

Snell is the ace that people claimed Archer was.

Give Snell a lead and he'll win with it. If he needs to work around a batter he'll do it and if he needs to flat dominate some he'll do that as well.

Snell can pitch at the top of a championship rotation. Archer can pitch in relief for a title winner or lead a .500 squad.

What’s everyone’s opinion on the Holland/Hicks/Matheny story? Seems like standard rookie/Vet hazing so I’m not getting the National attention this story has gotten.

Now the snitching part, that’s not cool at all.

Norris rather than Holland, correct?

Not all that surprising. Matheny is a dipshit and Norris is known as one of the worst teammates in baseball.

This stuff probably happens everywhere to some extent, but Norris takes it to a different level of douchiness.

Yes, Norris.
Another national article about Mathenys clubhouse being a disaster out today. Maybe just maybe this is our last year of having to endure Matheny.

Aguilar got last fanvote so it's official:


MEEEEEEEE-KO-LAS! Is the guy

Always feels good to beat the Brewers.

Little brother is so cute. Enjoy 30 more years of being irrelevant.

That interview with Dewitt was such a BS fluff piece. He said nothing but the same old shit he says in every interview since he got here. Matheny is doing a great job. The coaching staff are working hard. The team has maybe under performed but we have the talent to compete for the wild card. No reason we cant turn this around. etc. etc.

These beat writers are so afraid of losing their access that cant write shit criticizing the Cardinals in any way. I understand your not going to get Dewitt to say anything different. Thats okay. Your not going to badger the guy into a different answer and then you no longer have access. Thats understandable.

Where the line is crossed with beat writers is in the example from today's column. He called it "disgruntled pockets of the fan base". Does he really think that? Its only a small % of fans that are upset with the direction of the team. Really? Why did a supposedly independent writer try to minimize in his own words the fan discontent? The only reason is to suck up to the team and Dewitt.


Beat writers are becoming obsolete.

Most Pirates beat writers are the same way. They also defend the front office just to differ from the fan base.

Lord that was awful.

"Everything that didn't work for us in the 1st half will work in the 2nd half. And if all the things that didn't work in the 1st had WOULD have worked, we'd have a better record..."

**** right off, man.

He's very practiced at that shit. He's an old guy, cant expect him to change. It would be so unusual for him to criticize anyone on the team publicly. At least that's what I'm holding out hope that's the case.

We are going to have the 3rd largest attendance in baseball this year. Will elder Dewitt do a damn thing different? Fire Matheny? I'm not very hopeful today. :sulk:

Thats why they are becoming obsolete. What good is your access to the locker room, practices, after and before games conversations with players if you report nothing but public statements and what happened on the field?

We always find out shit years later that explains WTF happened with the team or player.

I dont want to read gossip shit like some player said something about what music was being played etc. But, now everyone is saying they have known all year that Fowler and Matheny didn't talk and seem to hate each other. Thats pertinent to me as a fan.

Part of that article that I think was mentioned earlier -

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The thing with Ozuna, though, is that is he really playing worse or just not out of his mind? He had one insane year with the Marlins but before that he was a guy that was on the verge of being sent back to the minors his entire career. If you look at Ozuna this year compared to his first 4 seasons with the Marlins and its not far off from his best in those years.

He made the all-star team in 2016 as well before an injury and a slump in the 2nd half.

He really started to turn the corner when he came back up in 2015 after the Marlins dicked around with his service time following what appeared to be a significant breakout in 2014 (had a 4+ win season as a 23 yr old in his first full year). He was a former top 100 prospect with a strong pedigree and a longer track record of strong play than of being an underperformer.

A reasonable expectation was somewhere between what he was in 2016 and 2017. Maybe 25 bombs and a .290/.350/.500 kind of triple slash couldn't be seen as overly optimistic as he continued through his prime.

Take a look at what David Peralta's doing this season. I don't think it's at all unreasonable to have expected that kind of strong season from Ozuna. A 4-5 win season shouldn't have been out of reach at all.

He's just not getting the job done; putting him in distinguished company with a fair number of other players that have come to St. Louis and gotten worse or left St. Louis and gotten better.

This coaching staff just isn't good.

He's sitting at 10 HRs right now with 48 RBIs, so he's not that far off from meeting those numbers. What's down are the doubles and triples that are killing his SLG%. His last month of production is, lets say, less than optimistic, however.

The only thing I will defend on the Cardinals is Piscotty.

I think Piscotty's level of play would have been similar to last season or worse if he had stayed in St. Louis due to the health of his mother and how that played a role on him mentally.

There was an article in the Chicago Tribune today about Fowler's difficulties in St. Louis. Didn't read it because I was busy and didn't really give a shit. I'm not going to post it now because I'm tired and still don't really give a shit. But it's there, in case someone else cares.

Losing those other Outfielders and keeping that turd Pham is a fireable enough offense

8-1 Reds ROFL

Billy Hamilton...dis how you play centerfield :eek:

Reds are 18-9 since the last time they played the Cardinals. Best record in the division over that span and it's not even close.

Their 3-4-5 is ****ing lethal. Jealous...

the reds are becoming a good team.

All it took was shitcanning their horrible manager.

Imagine that....

They'll even be sellers at the deadline.

:D

You know he is aware of this since he lives in Cincy.

I sure hope he is paying attention. I've wanted to fire Matheny for years but it should be clear to everyone, including Dewitt, that its past time to make a Manager change.

If we could sweep the Brewers in five games, I will lose my shit.

I unfortunately have a feeling that Matheny won’t get fired at some point before next season and will still be in place going into the year.

Glad to see our getting stomped by the Reds part of the season is coming early this year

So Hicks needs to be in Springfield or Memphis and actually learn how to pitch. Keep him as far away from meathead as possible.

What a disaster. Send 8 for his last 100 Pham with him. The Reds probably have a better roster now sadly. They got some young guys developing well.

The Cards have talent but they need a wake up call. Probably not enough to make a postseason run but the talent is better than this. Fire meathead and Mabry and sell sell sell and do a mini rebuild. **** DeWitt for allowing this to continue.

And quit trying to build a team around fringe players like Tommy ****ing Pham.

Every loss is one more strike against Matheny boys. This is a good thing.

Jesus, I sound like Clay right now...

:clap: Mo needs to go as well.

Mo, Matheny, and Mabry need flushed

This team is aggressively shitty. They'll get bombed out by the Cubs, but nothing will happen.

For sale:

Bud Norris
Miles Mikolas
Matt Carpenter
Marcell Ozuna
Jedd Gyorko
Jose Martinez

Sure, it's all the rain delay's fault Dan :rolleyes:

No way Dewitt fires Matheny and Mo at the same time. Best we can hope for is a Matheny firing.

You fire the GM and the new GM takes care of the manager.

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Welp.

Only thing left to do is sell what you can.

Break out the champagne fellas!

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You boys got your wish.

Mozeliak has to be gone in the offseason, right?

You can blame Matheny for the clubhouse, but the Cardinals roster is just not good. Carpenter is solid, but the rest is fading stars or guys you hope break 2 WAR on the year.

One would hope, but new GMs mean new scouts, and I'm interested by what Flores has done.

Wow

They've got time to get scouts together. Gonna be a minute before the Cardinals are seriously contenders again, imo.

You've got a good core of pitchers, but missing a true ace. A ton of holes in the lineup. And no real potential stars in the minors close to being promoted to the big leagues.

If Flaherty maintains this development curve, he's a legit ace.

This isn’t loading but it better be the ****ing Carpenter gif!

And hot damn I’m happy. I kinda expected Mabry at the end of the season but both in the middle? PBJ PBJ PBJ

I want to see what they do without Matheny's poisonous influence before consigning them to the scrap heap.

Only have 2 weeks to do so, though. If you are firing your manager you should be ready to sell, especially considering what you do have that is producing are sitting on 2 year deals.

Holy shit my boner is never going away.

you bet your ass. If this event isn’t Carp worthy, nothing is.

More Carp gif!

Mo isn't going anywhere anytime soon, IMO.

DeWitt's on record as believing this team has the talent to make the postseason and I honestly wouldn't disagree.

2B and RF are the two shit parts of this team currently that can't easily be fixed.

Rotation is fine and the bullpen, while volatile, isn't something I'd be concerned with long term.

Ownership made the right decision. It will be interesting to see what they order Mo to do in 2 weeks.

Awful news for the rest of the NL central today.

I cant believe that Dewitt okayed a firing of his golden boy in the middle of the season. Totally unexpected that’s for sure.

You can't honestly believe that the Cardinals have the talent to make the playoffs in a division with the Cubs and Brewers.

If the Brewers go out and get an ace before the deadline its gonna be scary.

Hell, if the Reds had starting pitching they would be pretty deadly. They have the 4th best scoring offense in the NL.

The Cardinals have a roster full of fringe starters where half of them would be on the bench on a legit contender.

What fringe starters are you referring to? I'll give you Wong and the abomination in RF

Carpenter, Martinez(even though he's a ****ing abomination defensively), DeJong, Molina, Ozuna, and Pham have also posted positive WAR. Of those 6 starters, the only one I think you can really argue as being fringe is Pham. Martinez would be starting in the AL at DH.

We are not a great team but everyone knows we are underperforming for our talent level. Having Daffy Duck as our manager makes us a better team than a Matheny managed team.

Baseball is a funny game and I’m still not sold on that Brewers starting rotation come playoff time. Counsell won’t be able to maneuver a sub par pitching staff for a World Series run like a LaRussa could.