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Sure-Oz 06-21-2018 11:05 AM

Flanny was on 610 and made it sound like they wouldn't trade Whit and use him as a transition guy. Hopefully they get a good offer.

Prison Bitch 06-21-2018 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMDM Hypothesis (Post 13600958)
Most of my life never missed a Royals game no matter how bad we sucked. Loved the 2014/15 run, but knew this season was a return to the garbage I endured for most of my life. I haven’t watched one pitch this season. I read this thread, and all the Royals development news I can find, but I can’t be bothered to watch a team of largely jags lose 100+ games. I’ll be back to full time fandom long before we are competitive again, but this break has been cathartic.

You're a great fan

ChiefsCountry 06-21-2018 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13601122)
Flanny was on 610 and made it sound like they wouldn't trade Whit and use him as a transition guy. Hopefully they get a good offer.

Why would Whit get a good trade offer?

WhawhaWhat 06-21-2018 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 13601241)
Why would Whit get a good trade offer?

They hope he turns into Ben Zobrist. He's not there yet, or even close to what Zobrist was in 2009, but he's got a chance.

suzzer99 06-21-2018 12:07 PM

To me the idea of not competing until 2022 or something seems weird. How can I get excited about that when none of the current players except maybe Mondesi will be around?

It would be nice to at least fantasize about a run in 2020 with Sal, Whit and Soler. I was going to name some other players but ugh that's it. Maybe never mind.

Kidd Lex 06-21-2018 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13601233)
You're a great fan

Thanks PB, I've missed you.

Mecca 06-21-2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13601233)
You're a great fan

He has every right to feel that way, the Royals screwed the pooch with their farm system for the better part of the last 6 years. Now they have a bloated payroll due to signing guys because they couldn't produce replacements and now they are an old shitty team with no young players in sight.

Also this false narrative they are spinning as an organization is a joke to me. "This is what happens when you win a world championship" Yost said yesterday on the radio..no dude it is not. This is what happens when you have a GM that can't identify talent for a long period of time.

Is Houston just going to magically suck because they won? Oh yea they're not and they've made a ton of trades and their system isn't ranked as the worst.

The Royals system doesn't suck because they won, even though they seem to want everyone to believe that, it sucks because they made a ton of shit decisions.

Jerok 06-21-2018 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13601122)
Flanny was on 610 and made it sound like they wouldn't trade Whit and use him as a transition guy. Hopefully they get a good offer.

Transition player? Sounds like Moore thinks we will be good in a few years. Trade them, stock the farm with 18-21 year olds and load up on high draft picks. 3-4 years of 1st-5th pick, plus the talent from trading our good old guys, plus a few free agent pieces and in 6 years we might have a playoff team for 6 years.

None of this 'keep old guys, try to get close to .500 and get the 15th pick overall and be mediocre for several decades.'

OKchiefs 06-21-2018 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13601122)
Flanny was on 610 and made it sound like they wouldn't trade Whit and use him as a transition guy. Hopefully they get a good offer.

Transition to what? You need a transition if you see some promise or potential in 2-3 years. We have almost no viable talent in the high majors. Trading Merrifield and Perez potentially turns a 5-6 year rebuild into a 3-4 year rebuild IF we get a decent return. On their current trajectory we have to be almost perfect in the draft (as perfect as one can be in the MLB draft) and hope for some gems in the international market.

CasselGotPeedOn 06-21-2018 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13601233)
You're a great fan

You don't even watch the games you just read fangraphs.

Mecca 06-21-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13601363)
Transition to what? You need a transition if you see some promise or potential in 2-3 years. We have almost no viable talent in the high majors. Trading Merrifield and Perez potentially turns a 5-6 year rebuild into a 3-4 year rebuild IF we get a decent return. On their current trajectory we have to be almost perfect in the draft (as perfect as one can be in the MLB draft) and hope for some gems in the international market.

Dayton Moore is very anti-tanking and thinks he has to keep guys for the fans to cheer for...he's also very sentimental.

I really don't think he understands just how awful this team is because these are all guys he brought in. It's not hard to make decisions when you are new and didn't bring everyone in but when that shit system and MLB roster is all his guys...it's like being to close to the situation to see it for what it is.

I think he really believed this team could win 80 games this year with his moves.

Prison Bitch 06-21-2018 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13601325)
He has every right to feel that way, the Royals screwed the pooch with their farm system for the better part of the last 6 years. Now they have a bloated payroll due to signing guys because they couldn't produce replacements and now they are an old shitty team with no young players in sight.

Also this false narrative they are spinning as an organization is a joke to me. "This is what happens when you win a world championship" Yost said yesterday on the radio..no dude it is not. This is what happens when you have a GM that can't identify talent for a long period of time.

Is Houston just going to magically suck because they won? Oh yea they're not and they've made a ton of trades and their system isn't ranked as the worst.

The Royals system doesn't suck because they won, even though they seem to want everyone to believe that, it sucks because they made a ton of shit decisions.

He can do whatever he wants, but he can't call himself a diehard anymore. That was the only point I made.

Mecca 06-21-2018 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13601377)
He can do whatever he wants, but he can't call himself a diehard anymore. That was the only point I made.

I still follow but I do find myself doing other things at times...I am also in no way going to go watch a bad product in 100 degree heat.

ChiTown 06-21-2018 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13601372)

I think he really believed this team could win 80 games this year with his moves.

This team?

https://media2.giphy.com/media/nzdXyeABnvIyY/200w.webp

Mecca 06-21-2018 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13601395)

Well honestly why else go sign all those guys? Why publicly speak about how you are anti tanking and are going to be competitive?

ChiTown 06-21-2018 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13601400)
Well honestly why else go sign all those guys? Why publicly speak about how you are anti tanking and are going to be competitive?

I dunno, because they had to field a team? TBH, I don't think they had any idea what they wanted to do, or whom they wanted to be after last season. They signed Jon Jay, which turned out fine. Duda, which was a completely awful fit and acquisition, and resigned Moose, which should yield a mildly decent trade. But those guys were never going to win 80 games. Hell, they were going to struggle to win 70 games, imo.

Chiefspants 06-21-2018 02:32 PM

The Royals shouldn’t have signed those useless vets! They need to be focusing on prospects!!!

*Sees Jon Jay’s Wal-Mart contract traded for a legitimately exciting prospect*

*shrugs*

Chiefspants 06-21-2018 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13601416)
I dunno, because they had to field a team?

This too.

duncan_idaho 06-21-2018 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13601400)
Well honestly why else go sign all those guys? Why publicly speak about how you are anti tanking and are going to be competitive?


To try to flip them for whatever value they could get.

The Jon Jay return was a very nice one considering his cost and the upside of Elvis Luciano (heck, even getting a few years of average RP from the lefty would pay off that deal).

If they’re not blocking someone, there’s only upside.

Sure-Oz 06-21-2018 10:23 PM

I don't understand why no one wants moose. A guy that will hit 30+ hrs, bat .260-270 with good def at 3b and a cheap salary.

tk13 06-21-2018 11:18 PM

You can't really have it both ways. People complain that guys like Orlando and Almonte get so much playing time, then others complain that we signed a guy like Jon Jay. Well which is it? You can't just stop fielding a major league team.

The reality is they haven't drafted as well as they should have. It's also the reality that they sacrificed some of the talent they did have to try and win now. And some of it was bad luck.

This team today could be fielding a rotation of Ventura, Duffy, Manaea, Junis with Keller, Strahm and Herrera closing games out. Or maybe you put Strahm in the rotation, or have Cody Reed waiting in the wings. Everyone would feel a lot better about this team's prospects in that case.

Prison Bitch 06-22-2018 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 13602106)
I don't understand why no one wants moose. A guy that will hit 30+ hrs, bat .260-270 with good def at 3b and a cheap salary.

Can't run can't get on base fielding now average.

He's really had only 1 really good year: 2015

Prison Bitch 06-22-2018 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 13601393)
I still follow but I do find myself doing other things at times...I am also in no way going to go watch a bad product in 100 degree heat.

I zip thru them on DVr. I did that when we were good too tho, so yeah: no clue how someone could possibly watch this crap live. Still, to say you haven't seen a pitch, is really pathetic as a fan

Titty Meat 06-22-2018 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13602205)
I zip thru them on DVr. I did that when we were good too tho, so yeah: no clue how someone could possibly watch this crap live. Still, to say you haven't seen a pitch, is really pathetic as a fan

Ah this explains why you wanted to re-sign Gordo

Prison Bitch 06-22-2018 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 13602222)
Ah this explains why you wanted to re-sign Gordo

Stop posting. All you do is annoy people with your stupidity. Aren't you a bartender anyway?



Anyway, moving on....Matt Strahm last 16 IP: 14k 1bb, 1 run

Titty Meat 06-22-2018 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13602246)
Stop posting. All you do is annoy people with your stupidity. Aren't you a bartender anyway?



Anyway, moving on....Matt Strahm last 16 IP: 14k 1bb, 1 run

Used to be. We could all use a drink after this season.

WhawhaWhat 06-22-2018 02:13 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight’s opener in Houston. Pay close attention. <a href="https://t.co/ylvXArv3L1">pic.twitter.com/ylvXArv3L1</a></p>&mdash; Mike Swanson (@Swanee54) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swanee54/status/1010250735919849472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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doomy3 06-22-2018 02:16 PM

Escobar in center field. LMAO

seaofred 06-22-2018 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13602723)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight’s opener in Houston. Pay close attention. <a href="https://t.co/ylvXArv3L1">pic.twitter.com/ylvXArv3L1</a></p>&mdash; Mike Swanson (@Swanee54) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swanee54/status/1010250735919849472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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That can't be right... Can it?

MVChiefFan 06-22-2018 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat (Post 13602723)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight’s opener in Houston. Pay close attention. <a href="https://t.co/ylvXArv3L1">pic.twitter.com/ylvXArv3L1</a></p>&mdash; Mike Swanson (@Swanee54) <a href="https://twitter.com/Swanee54/status/1010250735919849472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He’s trying to become the first player ever to be the worst hitter in the league at every position.

SPchief 06-22-2018 02:44 PM

The real gem in there is the DH

OKchiefs 06-22-2018 03:07 PM

I wonder who is the last hitter we've had in the minors that really dominated like Moose and Hosmer did? All of the current guys who are supposed to be the next wave have pretty crappy averages. I know you can't read too much into stats, but it'd be nice to see a real prospect (not an AAAA type) hitting .300+ and for some power. Do you leave the A guys at the same level another year and hope they dominate, or do you move them to AA where they're still young for the level?

Chiefspants 06-22-2018 03:24 PM

Ned has officially entered the "**** it, I'm having fun" part of the season.

Discuss Thrower 06-22-2018 03:33 PM

Speaking of AAAA players.... someone means to tell me that there's nobody in the farm that can a DH over Paulo?

Jerok 06-22-2018 03:39 PM

They are doing their job. I admit that I want to watch Esky play center field tonight.

petegz28 06-22-2018 06:56 PM

WTF is Esky doing playing CF?

Kidd Lex 06-22-2018 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13602205)
I zip thru them on DVr. I did that when we were good too tho, so yeah: no clue how someone could possibly watch this crap live. Still, to say you haven't seen a pitch, is really pathetic as a fan

I can see where you’re coming from. It was a conscious decision to help me cope with our monumental fall from grace. We all deal with grief differently. It may be pathetic to you, but to me it’s been refreshing and will recharge me for the rebuild. If we were rolling out our future players and they lost 120 games, I’d watch every game. I’ve enjoyed the Florida Gators in the College World Series for this very reason.

ChiefsCountry 06-22-2018 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 13602962)
WTF is Esky doing playing CF?

Ned said to increase Esky's value is to turn him into an utility player. Said all of his free agent offers was for that.

duncan_idaho 06-22-2018 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKchiefs (Post 13602773)
I wonder who is the last hitter we've had in the minors that really dominated like Moose and Hosmer did? All of the current guys who are supposed to be the next wave have pretty crappy averages. I know you can't read too much into stats, but it'd be nice to see a real prospect (not an AAAA type) hitting .300+ and for some power. Do you leave the A guys at the same level another year and hope they dominate, or do you move them to AA where they're still young for the level?


Moustakas and Hosmer were both pretty terrible at Wilmington their first time around,
To the point of Moustakas being nicknamed “Mistake-us” by a decent portion of the Royals internet fanbase.

The types of prospects you’re talking about are guys who typically rate as top 25-50 talents. KC just doesn’t have anybody like that right. Lee is closest, and what he is doing at Wilmington IS impressive for that league, especially at his age.

WhawhaWhat 06-22-2018 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13602810)
Speaking of AAAA players.... someone means to tell me that there's nobody in the farm that can a DH over Paulo?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">THE DUDA BYES! Lucas Duda smashes a 2-run homer to right to give us a 2-0 lead in the 1st! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/50maha?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#50maha</a> <a href="https://t.co/YhjEF1U8qL">pic.twitter.com/YhjEF1U8qL</a></p>&mdash; Omaha Golden Spikes (@OMAStormChasers) <a href="https://twitter.com/OMAStormChasers/status/1010316980782555136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Dunit35 06-22-2018 08:50 PM

Can Paulo be any worse?

Get rid of him already. Three times tonight I’ve watched him shit all over himself with someone on base.

ChiefsCountry 06-22-2018 09:10 PM

Herrera having a game tonight. Took away a homer, now a triple to give the Royals the lead.

petegz28 06-22-2018 09:13 PM

As good as Herrera has played tonight is how bad Moose has looked. That last AB was ****ing terrible

ChiefsCountry 06-22-2018 09:19 PM

Streak is over.

siberian khatru 06-22-2018 09:20 PM

I enjoyed the Rosell Herrera Show and would like to see more episodes.

siberian khatru 06-22-2018 09:21 PM

Seriously, that dude brings some much-needed energy to a moribund team. Fun to watch.

Prison Bitch 06-22-2018 10:01 PM

No

More

Orlando

Cut

Now

Chiefspants 06-22-2018 10:23 PM

Herrera has been a nice boost.

duncan_idaho 06-23-2018 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13603072)
Herrera has been a nice boost.


I’m legitimately intrigued by him. Good speed, looks like a good defender in a few positions, and seems to have some pop in the bat.

ChiTown 06-23-2018 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13603072)
Herrera has been a nice boost.

Fools Gold or The Real Deal? Serious question. I mean, he looked pretty good out there in RF and swinging the bat. I’m optimistic....?

cabletech94 06-23-2018 01:04 PM

lucas duda up, paul0 strike out-0 down to the minors.

no link. it's out there though.


r.i.p. sweet italian prince, may we never see you in royal blue again.

dmahurin 06-23-2018 01:09 PM

https://twitter.com/FlannyMLB/status...254224896?s=19

Fish 06-23-2018 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13603072)
Herrera has been a nice boost.

I'm not getting my hopes up. But he pounded that ball to center last night. Beautiful swing, great trajectory.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad 06-23-2018 01:15 PM

MMP has become a pitcher's park and I ****ing hate it

duncan_idaho 06-23-2018 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiTown (Post 13603267)
Fools Gold or The Real Deal? Serious question. I mean, he looked pretty good out there in RF and swinging the bat. I’m optimistic....?

It's the type of move you make when you are where the royals are and hope it works out.

He's a former top 100 guy with tools, so you give him some leash. Wouldn't be the first time something clicked.

Need more sample size, of course.

WhawhaWhat 06-23-2018 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13603064)
No

More

Orlando

Cut

Now

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have reinstated 1B Lucas Duda from the DL and optioned OF Paulo Orlando to Omaha.</p>&mdash; Kansas City Royals (@Royals) <a href="https://twitter.com/Royals/status/1010578190975275008?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 23, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Discuss Thrower 06-23-2018 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13603389)
It's the type of move you make when you are where the royals are and hope it works out.

He's a former top 100 guy with tools, so you give him some leash. Wouldn't be the first time something clicked.

Need more sample size, of course.

Is Fuenmayor in the Mexican league just because that's the ceiling or nah?

gblowfish 06-23-2018 05:31 PM

Aw man....Kennedy tonight? He sucks.

duncan_idaho 06-23-2018 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower (Post 13603435)
Is Fuenmayor in the Mexican league just because that's the ceiling or nah?


He is there because he probably isn’t very good. Had a severe injury at a very inopportune time, that probably prevented him from a getting a shot to show his AAA breakout was for real.

In non-related news, the Royals continue to talk about signing Luke Heimlich. Yuck.

Discuss Thrower 06-23-2018 06:15 PM

dozierbomb

OKchiefs 06-23-2018 06:25 PM

If I didn't know any better I'd almost say Moustakas was trying to ruin any value he had. He's been pretty awful for a while now.

gblowfish 06-23-2018 06:58 PM

I'd get Kennedy out. You know he's going to cough up the lead. Take my chances with somebody else.

Chiefspants 06-23-2018 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 13603571)
He is there because he probably isn’t very good. Had a severe injury at a very inopportune time, that probably prevented him from a getting a shot to show his AAA breakout was for real.

In non-related news, the Royals continue to talk about signing Luke Heimlich. Yuck.

GMDM needs to GTFO with his bull**** moral highground "porn" judgment forever if he signs that scum of the earth.

"My lawyer advised me to plead guilty to being a child predator because it would make this process easier."

GTFO with that trash.

ChiefsCountry 06-23-2018 07:27 PM

Kennedy balled out tonight. One homer was a cheap Crawford box special.

duncan_idaho 06-23-2018 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13603639)
GMDM needs to GTFO with his bull**** moral highground "porn" judgment forever if he signs that scum of the earth.



"My lawyer advised me to plead guilty to being a child predator because it would make this process easier."



GTFO with that trash.


I can actually buy that part of the story. That’s not bad legal advice considering the situation.

What I have a harder time swallowing is that he didn’t actually do it (little kids don’t have reason or the knowledge needed to make that stuff up, unless specifically and consistently coached by their parents, which is usually sussed out quickly).

Don’t want him in KC. And they look like damn hypocrites if they sign him.

Great Expectations 06-23-2018 08:03 PM

That was nowhere near conclusive.

ChiefsCountry 06-23-2018 08:06 PM

How is Maurer going to blow this.

Bob Dole 06-23-2018 08:12 PM

Well.

EPodolak 06-23-2018 08:13 PM

Gross. These guys....

KCCHIEFS27 06-23-2018 08:15 PM

Missed strike three call against Gurriel, a fluke bloop hit and the game is tied. Baseball is a fickle sport.

KChiefs1 06-23-2018 08:15 PM

Maurer is pathetic.

Bob Dole 06-23-2018 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCCHIEFS27 (Post 13603687)
Missed strike three call against Gurriel, a fluke bloop hit and the game is tied. Baseball is a fickle sport.

Especially when you insert a closer with a 10.80 ERA.

ChiefsCountry 06-23-2018 08:17 PM

Maurer is responsible for at least a 1/4 of the loses this year I bet.

Great Expectations 06-23-2018 08:25 PM

I’d pitch Maurer if I was trying to lose. I know Ned isn’t trying to lose. Why does he continue to get innings? I’m really not complaining; just want to know what the strategy is.

cabletech94 06-23-2018 08:38 PM

maurerer needs to be DFA like in april......

siberian khatru 06-23-2018 08:59 PM

Salvy was 3-0, then swung at a pitch that was in the exact same location as the previous one that was called a ball. I can’t even ...

Jerm 06-23-2018 09:01 PM

We're not really gonna sign Luke Heimlich.......right??

What the ****....

Deberg_1990 06-23-2018 09:01 PM

How long do we have to wait for Mondesi to develop? Seems like we have been waiting for 3-4 years now?

siberian khatru 06-23-2018 09:01 PM

Oh, and then he was called out on strikes on a pitch that was clearly a strike.

petegz28 06-23-2018 09:09 PM

JFC, Keystone Cops about to blow the game.....


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