If we knew he'd be back in X number of days, it would be one thing. We don't. This shit just drags on and on and on. He may be back in a week. He may be back in a month. Who knows? Plus, he's not even practicing yet. It's not like he's just going to jog onto the field and be in game shape.

Thomas could be the last piece of a championship team. This needs to happen.

I think it's him pushing back, he did them a solid some years ago and in turn they are ****ing him over. I think he doesn't want to get hurt obviously, no one does but I think it's mainly him intentionally pushing buttons.

I hear ya.

If you could pair him with Thomas he wouldn't have to come back as an elite player to be impactful, standing next to Thomas makes his job a lot easier.

Earl Thomas is a safety

This situation will end much like the Breeland situation.

Veach wanted Watkins and Hitchens in August last season. What we know of him so far is that if there is a guy he really wants, he’s going to get him.

He’s trying to get Earl Thomas.

I’m telling ya man I think this is more likely to happen than not. I just think it could take another month bc Seattle is being ridiculous about its asking price.

Hitchens is struggling because 1) Ragland is terrible against both the run and the pass and 2) the guys behind him (I'm looking at you Eric Murray) can't be trusted to even be in the right zone let alone make a play. Hitchens will improve when the guys around him improve.

I totally agree with you on the corners - Scandrick has been a pleasant surprise and the only thing disappointing about Fuller is that most of expected him to play better than he has so far.

To me, Ragland and the safety spot are the two biggest holes on the defense. Earl Thomas cures a lot of ills on this defense.

Veach has a lot more to prove than Dorsey who was extremely well respected across the whole league from his time in Green Bay. Dorsey already had a great rep league wide before being a GM.

EB and Thomas being inserted into this line up automatically makes this defense Top 16 instead of Top 30.

Ah, k gotcha, thanks.

No

Absolutely.

If Veach pulls this off. :drool:

EB and Thomas against Brady and Gronk on SNF week 6! I can dream right...

I come all oaver

Didn't say he wasn't - people just keep saying Earl Thomas won't matter because it's all our CBs fault. What I'm saying is it's not all the CB's fault. They don't suck anymore than anyone else on our defense.

There is an argument for every group to be the worst. But our glaring weaknesses are at LB. Berry likes to play up and Thomas loves to ball hawk and play deep. Perfect combination at safety that can really mask our LB problem.

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I will not get excited until it's someone who actually knows not these nobodies

It sounds rough on the surface but if that pick is #32, it’s really not that bad.

no way in hell i would give up a first lmao

I would hope they don’t give up a first

Same here, but if we can tie him up to long term deal, I say pull the trigger.

That is what Veach is betting on :)

Clearly he thinks Thomas can play at a high level for 3-4 more years.

Even if they give up a 1st—which is likely to be a pick in the high 20s at the very earliest—you’re left with two 2nds and a 3rd to use next year and you got Earl freaking Thomas.

Oh well.

Like how often do guys picked from 26-32 end up being even that good? It’s rare...

I’d be fine betting on 4-5 years of Earl playing at a Pro Bowl level over whoever that pick might be.

This team is making the playoffs. Who gives a shit if that 1st round pick is in the low 20s to 30s.

Without thinking too hard the only guys I'd want taken recently is Hopkins or tj watt

Brandin Cooks has been traded for a 1 twice and he's not as good at his position as Thomas is, actually he's never been as good as Thomas his whole career.

How sad was it not to have a first round pick last year???

Not very, when you're watching Patrick Mahomes destroy faces all over the league.

If we think Earl Thomas is still an elite safety and will be for another 2-3 years, you absolutely give up that pick and bring him in.

Take advantage of the time when you are basically paying Mahomes next to nothing by investing in other positions.

2014 Draft picks 26-32:
Marcus Smith
Deone Buccanon
Kelvin Benjamin
Dom Easley
Jimmie Ward
Bradley Roby
Teddy Bridgewater

2015:
Breshad Perriman
Byron Jones
Laken Tomlinson
Phillip Dorsett
Damarious Randall
Stephone Anthony
Malcom Brown

2016:
Paxton Lynch
Kenny Clark
Robert Nkemdiche
Vernon Butler
Germain Ifedi

Now, how many of those guys are you taking over 4-5 years of Earl Thomas?

None of them.

Paxton Lynch and Roby :)

we already had this conversation. So your saying whoever we get at pick #28 will benefit the Chiefs for the next 5 years more than Earl Thomas will benefit the Chiefs?

We have no idea if that 1st rounder will even stick. Be JAG. We know that Thomas has 3 high caliber years left, at least. He can make the most impact this year, right now.

FYI he’s the same age as Eric Berry.

Adding Earl Thomas to Eric Berry, Fuller, Houston, Jones, and Hitchens would be so badass.

I would actually look FORWARD to watching the defense play, not dreading it and hoping it ends like a colonoscopy.

Exactly! By the time that 1st round pick is ready to have significant impact it maybe time to pay the farm for Mahomes.

Mother ****ING NUTHOOKS!!!! I about pissed myself! If one of you ****s did this, I really hope horrible awful things happen to you.

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Like others have said, we don’t need a top defense or for that matter a average defense, we just need to stop a couple of more drives per game than we are currently doing. Give us a little more wiggle room. Thomas could stop a drive himself a couple of times a game.

Those guys mostly are all on different teams by now. A lot of JAGs. Even the pretty good ones from other years I’m probably taking Thomas over.

The draft is pretty much at that point anyways. Can get better or worse players in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounds, etc...

But if you do hit on your pick, you have that 5th year with a 1st round pick. I'd rather give up both 2nds than the 1st.

I don't think it's actually that crazy. Assuming the Chiefs go to the playoffs and pick late, I am not sure we can draft anyone who would give us as much in 9 years as ET would give us in 5.

I would be 100% for trading our 2019 #1 for ET. It's the single biggest area of need on our defense. We would go from literally the worst starting player on our team to the best safety in the damn league. Sign me up, man.

Has Thomas ever missed sufficient time due to injury? I am starting to think that Mahomes has overcome Because Chiefs, but still have that nagging feeling.

FUTHAMUCKA! DETS LOO DIS!

I’d give up a late 1 in a heartbeat. We have our franchise quarterback, running back, receivers, tight end already on the roster. We need a safety bad, and there isn’t a chance we get a safety in 19 draft at pick 26-32 that can contribute like earl thomas for the next 5 years.


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Other need for this team is an impactful edge rusher. Not sure if we can find a good one without that 2019 1st round pick, which could be used to move up along with 2 2nd rounders.

We’re giving up 500 yards a game on D yet still winning but Veach knows this is ridiculous and that Mahomes is playing out of this world. He has to be all in for fixing this defense and taking advantage of the current situation.

A late 1st is nothing compared to what we would get for Earl this year and the next few years to come.

The problem is cash but like others have said it’s doable if you want to make it work. It does worry me about future contracts for other players that need paying.

I can think of two members of the 30th ranked defense in the NFL that would help veach find some cash. The question for Veach is, does he want to touch the Houston contract now, which would make it more difficult for the team to move on from in the off season.

I think Berry is the guy who needs to get this deal done.

If you're suggesting a restructure - I don't see that happening.

Hypothetically speaking...if KC does deal a late 1st (32nd :D) that pick makes almost $10 mil over 4 years. So shave $2.5 mill off Earls yearly salary total...just sayin.

True they will undoubtedly move on from players at the end of the season saving some money as well. I think they do this and they are stupid if they don’t.

Seahawks need to make it go through as well they are even dumber if they don’t.

I could legit see this working out and the rumors be true they are talking contract now. I think most of us will undoubtedly cringe though when we hear the number if it happens.

We are up to 30th? #gettingbetter amiright?

There are going to be games where the defense will have to bail out the offense. That's just the way it is in this league. The guys playing it are just too good. You have 11 guys lining up on the other side trying just as hard to beat you, the more tape they get on Mahomes and the Chiefs O, the harder it's going to get, the more he's going to be tested, the more teams will send players blitzing after him etc. Because if it doesn't, then we're looking at a Dan Marino 1984 level once in a lifetime historic performance before our very own eyes. I only compare it to Marino and not Manning's '13 season because Marino did it during his 2nd year in the league, like Mahomes. Manning was in his 15th yr of his HoF career. It's just remarkable what Mahomes has done so far.

This offense will come back down to earth, even if it's only a little. When teams start getting more film on the Chiefs, they'll find tendencies and patterns and teams will start to sniff stuff out more, and/or find other ways to confuse Mahomes. It's remarkable what he's done so far, this is video game kind of shit stats he's putting up. But he doesn't know what he doesn't know. It's going to get bad at times, he's going to get banged up, bad OL play, the weather's gonna get bad/cold, he's going to have bad games, we just haven't seen it yet.

One thing's for certain. This team/fanbase can not withstand another epic playoff collapse because of the failures of the defense.

This team needs to beat other teams in all phases of the game. Right now, yes they're one of the best 3rd down defenses and they tighten their sphincters a little when opposing teams are within 10, but they can't be counted on....ever.

Mahomes is off to a historic start, and has exceeded expectations by miles. Chiefs probably didn't see this coming either. If the Chiefs think their window is right now, then this is the type of move you make, esp when you have some draft capital to work with and your current safety is injured with an unknown return date.

This team/fanbase can not withstand another epic playoff collapse because of the failures of the defense. This signing makes this team immediately better for the next 2-3 yrs. A signing like this would tell the Chiefs players that FO is ****ing serious about a SB, it will motivate players to work hard. The offense smells blood in the water, they understand what is happening.

I understand Chiefs won't get better long term on D unless they start hitting on some of their top defensive picks, and trading top picks doesn't help. But the front office needs to make this move now. The window is now. This is the type of signing that you do to get you over a hump. This is the Johnny Cueto signing.

And FWIW, this would bring Veach out of the doghouse for me after his ****ing shitty ass draft w/ Speaks and O'Daniel.

That dude has the worst spelling I've ever seen for an "editor". I'm one of the last people that should comment on spelling and grimmer on socials but it's awful. Not buying this at all, unfortunately.

For me, it’s abojt the guy that responded to me. He was the one with the Sammy deal down to the money and years.

Isnt Chiefs365 Nick Athan lmao

Seems like people taking guesses that would make sense for a deal and the say ‘source’ if they’re right it equals tons of new followers. I only trust the main sources these days. They’re pretty quick anyway

no - ChiefsInsider

Did this piece of shit sign yet?

Nope. Give it up. Let this thread die.

Asshole!

There are going to be games where the defense will have to bail out the offense. That's just the way it is in this league. The guys playing it are just too good. You have 11 guys lining up on the other side trying just as hard to beat you, the more tape they get on Mahomes and the Chiefs O, the harder it's going to get, the more he's going to be tested, the more teams will send players blitzing after him etc. Because if it doesn't, then we're looking at a Dan Marino 1984 level once in a lifetime historic performance before our very own eyes. I only compare it to Marino and not Manning's '13 season because Marino did it during his 2nd year in the league, like Mahomes. Manning was in his 15th yr of his HoF career. It's just remarkable what Mahomes has done so far.

This offense will come back down to earth, even if it's only a little. When teams start getting more film on the Chiefs, they'll find tendencies and patterns and teams will start to sniff stuff out more, and/or find other ways to confuse Mahomes. It's remarkable what he's done so far, this is video game kind of shit stats he's putting up. But he doesn't know what he doesn't know. It's going to get bad at times, he's going to get banged up, he's going to have bad games, everyone does even the legends, we just haven't seen it yet lol.

This team needs to beat other teams in all phases of the game. Right now, yes they're one of the best 3rd down defenses and they tighten their sphincters a little when opposing teams are within 10, but they can't be counted on....ever.

Mahomes is off to a historic start, and has exceeded expectations by miles. Chiefs probably didn't see this coming either. If the Chiefs think their window is right now, then this is the type of move you make, esp when you have some draft capital to work with and your current Allpro safety is injured with an unknown return date. Should the stars align and Berry gets healthy again, with him teaming up w/ Thomas?....shit. The D may just turn the corner just in time for a playoff push late in the year.

This team/fanbase can not withstand another epic playoff collapse because of the failures of the defense. This signing makes this team immediately better for the next 2-3 yrs. A signing like this would tell the Chiefs players that FO is ****ing serious about a SB, it will motivate players to work hard. The offense smells blood in the water, they understand what is happening.

I understand Chiefs won't get better long term on D unless they start hitting on some of their top defensive picks, and trading top picks doesn't help. But the front office needs to make this move now. The window is now. This is the type of signing that you do to get you over a hump. This is the Johnny Cueto signing.

And FWIW, this would bring Veach out of the doghouse for me after his ****ing shitty ass draft w/ Speaks and O'Daniel.

See Neil **** Donk Forever Smith

You're a monster

Thomas has a ring.

I hope we wake up to an amazing present from Veachy Claus!!!!!

I can really see from some of these posts that people don't understand the value of a player on a cheap contract for years.

Golly gee, that'd be so swell Mr!

Negative Nancy! MOAR ET!

Or the minimal risk in signing a 3 time all-pro/6 time probowler, you know what you are getting....Mahomes is cheap, lets get the best players that are available while he is. It is what Veach already alluded to in going after Watkins.

There is one former all-pro playing on defense..and that's Houston. Berry if he ever suits up...

So yes we understand the value of cheap initial contracts...and also understand when a SB window has just opened.

If you want to watch Murray cover Gronk in the post-season...so KC can have a cheap 30th pick that probably wont be a pro bowler...well. As a fan, I dont give a shit...I want KC to go to the SB in my lifetime. This is their chance...

A late first rounder is not a sure thing, and being stuck with them for 4 years if they bust sucks ass too. If they are good, you either have to pay them big at the end or let them walk. By trading for and signing Earl you are guaranteed a proven, bona fide pro bowler for however long you hash out on paper. This, coupled with the fact that we hold two second round picks this year gives me the confidence that it would be a great move, even for a top round pick.

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Woke up to find out if Earl Thomas is a Chief yet.

No?

Ok going back to sleep now.

Gonna need a minimum of 1,008 more posts

I imagine a fake "We just traded for Earl Thomas!" topic would initiate nuthooks on a colossal scale for the poor soul that did so.

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i haven't had a chance to count. did i get us there? :thumb:

Long time reader, don’t post much. Honest question to those who are against this trade. How long have you been a Skip Baylesss fan? I mean WTF??? As a long time Chiefs fan I’m begging for them to make this move. IT HAS TO HAPPEN - he could seriously be the missing piece to a super bowl run.

he's one of many i watch simply to see how inaccurate they can be with their accuracy :thumb:

Steve Wyche retweeted from Rapoport that a deal was in place for a 2nd and a 5th. He was in KC working on a deal.

Found out on bleacher report twitter section

that's from a fake twitter account

Rapshert LMAO

Berry + Thomas would be a nice Jolt to this defense. Add a stud CB next year to cap that DB group off. Then we would only really have the DL and OLBs to worry about.

A 2nd and 5th? Deal. Use our 1st & 2nd on a stud CB & OLB next year.