Can't argue with that. If Milwaukee wins the division, they will have damned sure earned it.

Both are true, if we cant take care of business at home this weekend we deserve where we end up and holy mother of God the Brewers are tough in September the last 2 years.

35-7 so far the last 2 years I think and still have 3 games to go. That has to be some kind of record by a huge margin. They would be like 16 games over just this month if they win out?

I agree. The Brewers will have earned it for sure but we will also have blown it. Both can be true.

They took two of three the last time we played, and the run they're on (albeit against shit opponents) cannot be denied.

Had we taken care of business a couple of weeks ago, this shit is all academic.

doesnt “feel” like the odds are that slanted in our favor.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brace yourselves. <br>It is September 26th. <br>Here are the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> division odds.<br><br>[Baseball Reference]<br>Division: 84.5%<br><br>[FanGraphs]<br>Division: 81.4%<br><br>[fivethirtyeight]<br>Division: 85%</p>&mdash; Tara Wellman (@tarawellman) <a href="https://twitter.com/tarawellman/status/1177266136020344835?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 26, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's because it's a Modiocre team having another Shildtty September

Mo wasn't going anywhere even if they didn't make this run. He makes too much money for Dewitt. I'm not in favor of tanking for the two seasons it would take to for Dewitt to fire him. At least, he looks like right now anyway, he made the right choice for manager.

I hate Schildt's happy talk to the media, everything is posiitive. But, that is not about his performance as a manger on the field. I'm on the Schilt bandwagon.

You forget the last couple of years of Matheny baseball? Embarrassing defense, base running? Looked like they didn't even care?

I don't understand why you hate him? He didn't give all those bad contracts to aging players. He has to work with what he is given. So what did he do with what he has given that the manager can somewhat control in MLB?

Schildt turned around the horrible team base running(no one can fix Carp and Martinez bad base running). Stealing bases in this era. Strong defense.They play like they care. Bullpen management. I think he makes the right decision to pull or stay with the pithcher 95% of the time. Look at the guys in the dugout. He obviously has the locker room.

STL has been known for decades now for not beating themselves, strong starting pitching, base running, defense and clawing ad scratching for wins, never giving up on a game. Well we are here again. He's in the national discussion for manager of the year for crissakes. Whats your beef here?

PGM isn't happy unless he is bleeding out, some people are just miserable ****s. He is one of them.

He’s right, FG war says 13 pitching 14 offense or 83 wins, which would be 80 in the big boys league....and that many only since you’d feast on the plankton like us and Detroit and Baltimore.

Which is why I give Shildt a TON of credit for getting this team to where it's been.

Like I said - anybody that can manage to cobble together one of the best BP performances in the league despite having Trevor Miller and Tyler Webb as his primary lefties is a friggen miracle worker, especially after losing his closer mid-stream and watching his most trusted early/mid-season reliever (Gant) start to stumble late.

He really does seem to have a damn nice touch with the 'pen and it's made a huge difference.

PGM remains an idiot in that he will acknowledge that the team talent level is mediocre but simultaneously try to argue that Shildt is a bad manager. Can't have both, sport. A mediocre team with a bad manager doesn't win 90+.

:clap: Yup yup yup

I love that you're right there ready to stand behind anyone that supports you but when anyone points out your idiocy you just scurry away and dodge the point entirely.

Care to back up your vaginal bleeding with ANY kind of substance w/r/t Shildt?

I suspect you won't have anything to offer.

Eight days ago if you told everyone that the Cardinals would go 5-2 against the Cubs and D'Backs everyone would have taken it. The last two games sucked, but Milwaukee playing out of their ass is beyond the Cardinals' control.

If you want to bitch, blame Gant and Fernandez for the 9th inning implosion against Milwaukee. If they had closed that game out, the Cardinals are up three with three to go.

Here - I'm sure you just missed this the last time around so I'll let you take another crack at it.

If you want to celebrate an average ass team in a weak division and that's your jam...cool I guess.

Miller killed us in that D-Backs game.

That pitch he threw to tie it and send that game to 19, which then cost us the next game as well, was just so damn bad.

And it sure as hell looked like a simple temper tantrum. The guy absolutely could not get the low strike called on his slider so he just piped one. He gave into the batter/umpire rather than keep grinding.

And yeah, Gant and Fernandez were brutal against Milwaukee when we had a chance to put a boot on their throats.

But hey - to the "God! Why can't we just cut Martinez already!!" crowd - the common thread in the 2 worst losses we had over the last 2 weeks is that Carlos was unavailable. Maybe step back from the ledge and Carlos - m'kay? He's been a HUGE part of this surge.

That's what I thought.

Can't fix stupid, I guess. Then again, I suppose it's probably better to just ask the special children to stay in the shallow end. You'll just hurt yourself trying to swim with the big kids anyway.

Probably a smart decision...

The postseason will sort everything out. I could use a ton of words that mean nothing like evaluating the Clark trade hilariously wrong (lulls) and defend that stance to the death...Or watch it play out. Pretty simple.

But hey the Cubs shitting the bed sure helped pick up a few of those unexpected wins, so there's that

Because Milwaukee hasn't gotten to play any shit teams during their streak I suppose.

The Cards have the best record in the NL and I believe the 2nd best record in MLB since the ASB regardless of how much you want to complain about mediocre.

I mean sure that's only a half a season sample size. :shrug:

I'm with PGM. Seems that Pujols, TLR, and Jeff Luhnow took everyone's balls on the way out.

It's hard to replace a once in a generation player and a hall of fame manager.

Wow

And who’s surprised that a soft tossing pitcher befuddles the Cardinals?

Brewers down by 6. We need this win to finish this off tomorrow so we don’t have to Pitch Flaherty on Sunday.

Ian Happ sucks. How do you give up a home run to him, he is worse Kyle Schwarber.

Meanwhile Colorado is crushing the Brewers, we NEED this ****ing win.

Same way you give one up to Tyler O'Neill, by ignoring they are automatic outs on anything above the belt.

Do you have any sense of Cards postseason history? Sure, we could go out one and done. However we already have won 7 more regular season games than the2006 squad and the 2011 squad won 90. I’ll take getting in any year over not because it is about getting hot at the right time.

Man, where the **** is Jobu when you need him?

https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-cont...jor-league.jpg

Bats are definitely afraid.

Thoughts on the following article???

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/...k11eocghth88xf




Go ahead, Cubs. Fire (or simply don't renew) Joe Maddon, one of the best managers you’ve ever had.

Go ahead, Cubs fans. Celebrate Maddon's dismissal as if it would resolve any of the foundational problems afflicting your favorite team.

Then watch the skipper burnish his already elite legacy elsewhere and pray his replacement can oversee half the success you’ve enjoyed since 2015.

Chicago at its best under Maddon won its first World Series since 1908. It also made a pair of NLCS appearances. The Cubs at their worst under Maddon have gone 177-142 between 2018 and 2019 — better than almost any two-year span his predecessors supervised. Despite those achievements, it appears the franchise will let him go in the coming weeks.

Consecutive underwhelming Septembers on Maddon’s watch have been a bad look, and there is some legitimacy to criticism there. The Cubs are 25-24 in the final month of the past two campaigns.

But placing a majority of the blame for that on a man parked in the dugout would be unfair. Lineup orders for the most part don’t matter. Bullpen management with this crop of relievers is Russian roulette. And if a clubhouse filled with veterans needs a better babysitter, well, maybe that's reflective of their own shortcomings.

Media relations, meanwhile, have long been Maddon's strong suit, his quirky personality and passion for the history of the game generally endearing to reporters accustomed to combative personalities.

When modern managers win, their success is regularly attributed to shrewd front-office moves and player performance. When they lose, they often take a disproportionate share of the blame. Those responses should not exist in the same baseball-watching universe. They’ve been taken to the extreme in Chicago.

Perhaps Maddon has been blessed by more on-field talent than anyone who came before him. Javier Baez, Kris Bryant and Anthony Rizzo are certainly phenomenal. Perhaps the urgency to win in baseball has become greater than ever before. Elsewhere, the Red Sox just dismissed team president Dave Dombrowski less than a year after winning the World Series.

Even under those premises, though, one would think Maddon is at least deserving of a more respectful exit given his accomplishments. The Cubs after all do not have the historic success to warrant the crazed expectations of the Yankees, Cardinals or Dodgers. They are barely on the level of the Tigers and Pirates in that regard, for goodness sake. And, by and large, they’ve been great with their current leader at the helm.

Should he leave, which appears increasingly likely, Maddon’s legacy will go untarnished for two reasons: His replacement is unlikely to surpass his success, which would emphasize his own contributions, and he will have the opportunity to lead a turnaround at a third franchise, a feat few managers in baseball history have accomplished.

Taking over the talented young Padres, for instance, could be a boon. San Diego hasn’t posted a winning season since 2010 and carries a comparatively laid back fan base, magnifying the possible credit a manager would receive for success there. Most of the roster is under team control through 2023 compared with the Cubs, who face difficult contract choices regarding Baez, Bryant, Rizzo and Kyle Schwarber after the 2021 campaign.

In some respects, the Padres job would be reminiscent of Maddon's time in Tampa Bay, when he was at the helm during the Rays’ quick rise from bottom-dweller to championship contender.

Good for Maddon if he gets to finish his managerial career in a place that won't scorch him at the first sign of trouble. He's on the path toward an eventual send-off akin to what Bruce Bochy and Ned Yost will receive this week. Maybe when that ceremony arrives, his detractors will realize how illogical their discourse toward him has been.

Holy shit, Martinez swinging at a breaking ball above his head to strike out.

Jesus ****ing Christ

****ing Miller

Already read it.

Cubs have the highest WAR in the division and will end up 3rd and they'll be lucky not to go 82-80. This is the 2nd September in a row they have crashed and burned.

Thanks for the WS that you damn nearly lost with your managing, Maddon. But don't let the door hit you on the way out.

It's not all his fault as the FO has ignored the warts in the lineup and the Cubs need a couple tweaks like a ****ing leadoff hitter and a 2B, along with some bullpen help and 1 starter, preferably a top 3 starter. But it's hard to not see how unmotivated this team is and how ****ing sloppy their play has gotten as the years under Maddon drag on. It's almost like how Matheny's career ended with the Cardinals. The defense has gone to shit, they have led the league in back to back years in outs on the bases, and there is absolutely zero awareness at the plate as they are one of the worst teams at making contact in any situation.

Why do they keep running that piece of shit out there?

Thats one of the worst innings I've seen pitched by anyone all ****ing season.

Who you wanting as his replacement?

5 games left in the season and you lose the first 3, almost all due to Miller. How about some ****ing offense?

No clue.

My gut says with Jed Hoyer, assuming he doesn't take the GM job with the Red Sox, that Mark Loretta is most likely. He hired him in SD as assistant to baseball operations and now hired him again as the #2 coach.

I imagine they will ask David Ross as he has some random assistant role in the Cubs FO, but he's been pretty clear that he's not interested in any coaching gig just yet, but he's also been fairly vague with his answers as Maddon's Cubs career winds down.

Other than that I don't really know who is out there since I don't scout would be managers.

I can't wait to hear from the sunshine pumpers after this.

Cubs are trying to give you a series sweep and you look like you have never seen a baseball thrown at you before.

And **** Miller to hell, that guy needs DFA'd 2 months ago.

Down 6 now.

What a goddamn disgrace.

I guess I just don’t know what you’re hoping to accomplish by rooting for losses now. I can maybe understand that logic in July if you want wide scale changes, but after making the playoffs for the first time in 3 years, regardless if it’s a one and done in the wild card game, what changes do you realistically think are going to be made?

I don't know much about the managers out there either. I have a few Cub friends that would like to see Ryne Sandberg get his shot to be the manager. I just don't know much about how good of a manager he would be for the Cubs.

Brewers pissed down their legs to avoid a disaster. Shit division saves the day again...

So uh...the Cubs scrubs aren't rolling over

I was willing to give them some benefit but this is turning into a full scale choke job. Just needed to win 1 game but instead staring at a 4 game losing streak.

6 to 0 Scrubs ROFL

Turdy Edman comes through, but Gold and Ozuna come up lame....6 to 3

Scrubs trying to give it away. 6 to 5

Goldy and Ozuna are killing us, not helping.

And Shildt refusing to use anyone but Miller isn’t helping.

8 to 5 Scrubs. Why the **** did he bring in Miller????....AND Locain just leapt over the wall and saved the Brewers lead...2 to 0

Shildt was horrible in September last year and he's been abysmal the last week as well.

Division would already be wrapped up if he didn’t leave Gant in to walk three guys two weeks ago...

Another Shildtty September. But but but he's not Matheny!

It's a trend.

What is it with Mikes at the managerial/coaching position in St. Louis ?

Mike Keenan: ran off the greatest hockey player that ever lived

Mike Martz: ****ed up both Super Bowl 36 and the Carolina playoff game

Mike Matheny: The Big Papi Show in 2013 and Travis Ishikawa the following year

..and now this turd.

But hey that division title game Monday!

I'm just thankful that hockey season will begin this coming week.

Hader blows it...

They’ll still win

:LOL:no one wants the division.

Scrubs close it out.

Got a gift from the Rockies.

I'm not even excited about that Rockies comeback. Cardinals deserve to get bombed out by Scherzer in the WC game.

What a joke of a division, but hey Dan will be pumping bullshit sunshine for that Division title tomorrow!

Flare has to be the guy tomorrow, right?

not today. LMAO

Nope. Pissed their pants ROFL

We got one of the hottest pitchers in baseball going tomorrow. He would have won the Cy Young if he pitched in the first half like he did in the 2nd half. At home. Against a team with 1/2 scrubs.

He’s going to bring the division title home. The dude has a little Carpenter and Gibson in him. He’s not going to fail.

Yeah, but will his limp dick teammates help him out at the plate ? History suggests otherwise.

In all my years of watching Cardinal baseball, this year's offense may be the worst ever in that timeframe.

:LOL: You were born after Bob Horner was our clean up hitter?

You and PGM are the two most miserable ****s I’ve ever seen.

That 88 team was bad, but they weren't horrific as this one.

You must not have been alive that long if you think 2014 and 2015 were better.

Maddon whacked. Managing his last Cubs game.

And not that anyone cares much right now, but the Cards are up 8-0 in the 3rd.

yeah. Too bad they're going to get their shit pushed in by either the Nats or Braves.

Go ****ing kill yourself, because clearly nothing in life brings you any joy.

I’ve been distracted for some reason and forgot to keep up. Nice to see they are not screwing around in this one.

Now up 9-0, bottom 5th.