Y'all are correct. It was the correct move to get Clark rather than trading up for sweat and having the cash for someone else. The chiefs need to win now. It's just intriguing and interesting to think what if. And to think about how things will be this time next year if sweat has a big rookie year. But I agree. Taking Clark was the right move. We are in win now mode. Let's hope we can find a cb.

Seattle: WE NEED DRAFT PICKZ!!!

*starts with 4, turns them into like a zillion in one draft*

We only gave them an extra 1st this year. The 2nd rounder is next year's.

What I'm trying to say is **** Seattle in the ****ing neck. They didn't need that 2nd rounder, and we shouldn't have given it to them.

Especially since it was contingent on us to get a new deal done for Clark.

What’s weird about this is the Colts should be in win now mode but they aren’t acting like it. They had $100 million to get premiere players and catch up to us and they didn’t. I have no idea what Ballard is doing there, even though I did like his draft picks.

Luck has 3 years left on his contract and you have punted this year in FA bc you didn’t want to spend. So you have 2 years left before you have to re-up Luck making him the highest paid player in the league.

That’s why I thought it was hilarious when Pitt Gorilla said he’d much rather have Ballard than Veach.

**** 'em. Maybe it's their turn to be incompetent, losing idiots for a while.

The real Chris Ballard is dead. The guy running the Colts is actually Carl Peterson in a Chris Ballard disguise.

Irsay needs the money for hookers and Oxy.

Sounds like Clark has made an impression at this years pass rush summit.

Top o the summit, bitches!

This guy is such a huge upgrade over Dee Ford. Several GIFs here of his run defense.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pass rushing is a game of detail; Frank Clark understands that nuance. His sack vs SF appears easy but it was all in the details and setup.<br><br>- Power rush moves all game<br>- Flashed out-jab step into bull early in the game(2nd play)<br>- In-jab step into cross-chop<br>- Rip under w/ lean <a href="https://t.co/tNoyh3dtil">pic.twitter.com/tNoyh3dtil</a></p>&mdash; Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefinCarolina/status/1166331357313810434?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Frank Clark hasn't looked any better than Breeland Speaks did last year.

Lmao

Good call, staylor.

I really really wish you were right and I was wrong... but that's not the case at all. In fact, it's worse than I thought. I don't think anybody, Chiefs fan or NFL executive, saw Frank Clark being this much of an AIDSy wet fart.

Well, except maybe John Schneider.

Garbage

The only thing that kept these responses relatively brief is that I was drunk on a beach.

Still think it's fireable. This move may cost us a championship, especially on the heels of his 2018 draft/offseason.

I've seen no evidence that Veach is good at this at all.

Who is Frank Clark? That MF wearing panties and #55 mit be a bigger pussy than Dee Ford since he got paid.

Clearly I underestimated how bad it would be.

You act like Veach is in the Fuhrerbunker screaming orders at people. He has a lot of input on these deals esp from Fat Andy

frank clark really isnt shit

dee ford probably has better stats at seasons end

Staylor is a Veach fanboy. Hard to believe that type of fan exists.

He’s atrocious.

Only balled out so he can get paid. It won’t be too long before he has injuries pop up.

Veach is a problem. Andy is a problem. They're two problems. Who gives a shit if Reid says, "Don't re-sign Ford. Get me somebody else instead. Maybe that Frank Clark guy?"

Veach is the one who can't draft. He's the one who got fleeced on the Clark trade. Who overpays for guys like Hitchens, Clark, and Watkins. The guy who can't stand the thought of not drafting his pet projects. The guy who does all of this and then sugarcoats it by calling it, "being aggressive."

There ARE some things that Veach is directly responsible for. The talent compared to how much we spent on said talent is one of those things.

Hard to disagree there.

Clearly Veach has absorbed Dorsey's worst traits and none of his good ones.

We basically traded...
Justin houston
A $10m player
A first rounder
A second rounder

For frank Clark. People often focus on just the picks we gave up. And forget that $20m could have gone to someone else.

Justin Houston would have half-assed and the Chiefs would have reached to take some corner that would be aids for us.

Deandre Baker at 27. Book it LMAO

Which would sadly be better than where we are today.

So aids would have been preferable to aids? If you say so.

You guys need to acknowledge that Spags is a shitty DC and it's part of the problem. The sooner he's gone the better.

I tried to softball this shit but this is worse than I expected. He just lets everyone walk down the field 5 yards at a time. NO aggression in the run game. Zone blitzes with easily readable holes. It's ****ing stupid.

We should have hired Rex....

Yes, yes, **** Frank Clark and he's overpaid and blah blah. The whole direction of working with this clown was a mistake. He ****ing blows.

This is true. If the Chiefs had a breakfast cereal for the whole franchise it would be Frosted Unlucky AIDS-e-os.

It's AIDS-ily delicious!

No to Rex. If there ever was a worse option, it would be him.

Can we get rid of Clark after next season? What's the cap situation with the guaranteed money the team owes him?

15 mil in dead cap

Rex does not suck as a D Coord.

I've been trying to get rid of Clark since he hired that fat maggot from Assachusetts.

We would have had hiv not aids. A half ass Houston and an aids first and second rounder can be cut next year. We're stuck with Clark for an eternity. Still, hard to imagine Houston, a first, second rounder, and a $10m wouldn't easily be a mile better than Clark alone.

Depends on the ride.

He's 100,000,000 times the defensive mind of Steve ****ing spagwhatevertheulo.

I don't want him to replace Andy Reid. I want a ****ing defense that isn't a piece of shit, and KC hired this clown and I was pissed when it happens. Now that the 'tree has born fruit' I'm not lying down. **** this guy. He sucks.

It's not just the Chiefs who thinks he's no good. His defense is outdated and he's too stubborn to change it. He is a better version of Bob Sutton.

Reid would never let a confident person on his staff who might challenge him every now and again. Dorsey was that. Ballard may have been, too.

I am not crazy about spags and was skeptical of him. But let's please not act like Rex Ryan would have been better. His defenses have been disastrously bad the last few go arounds. At least spags had recent success in New York.

Head coach and DC are different JOBS.

IF we're going to hold DC's accountable for their head coach disasters, let's not compare Spags to Rex. He doesn't hold a candle. He was a ****ing train wreck that led to people being grateful for JEFF FISHER.

I'm mostly being fictitious about Rex, but Spags is ****ing terrible.

Yes, he's a better version of Bob Sutton.

Who had a top 10 defense until the secondary was total trash and could AT LEAST still rush the passer.

Meanwhile Spags is bottom 5 in 4 of his past 5 seasons as DC and will no doubt be making it 5 of 6. D can't stop anything. It's G-rob all over again. We traded an aggressive D for 'sit back and let the play develop up your ass" D. He ****ing sucks. 2007 was a long goddamn time ago.

There were a lot of options beside this over-rated clown.

Woo boy you sure are naive.

This is not defending spags. This is saying that Rex Ryan is not better and is probably worse. Theres a reason not a single team interviewed him for multiple years straight. Should we have gone after DCs like Wilks, Pagano, Gregg Williams. Damn right we should have. But Rex Ryan, uh uh.

I'm not sure what you're going after me for. I said we made a dumb trade. I didn't say not making the trade would magically turn our defense around. It means we made one less dumb trade and committed to one less dumb long term contract.

He's better. Sutton was better. Rex was innovative as ****, and even at 50% could coach circles around ****ing Spagnulo. Past his prime? Probably. At least he had one.

Spags claim to fame was riding one of the best DL's in NFL history (which he underachieved with all season) to an upset win in the SB. Greg Robinson's D beat the packers. Big ****ing deal. Watching this D is just like watching G-rob's.

He never maximizes talent and usually finishes in the bottom 5 of the NFL in defense. He ****ing sucks, and right now I'm agitated that people will spend at least 2 years making excuses for his trash D's.

Because you seem to think the grass is greener on the other side. The only thing that changes is what is being bitched about.

The narrative would be why did they hang onto a brokedick player and use those picks on guys that aren't making plays over someone that would have helped them win today

You seem determined that the same ****ing thing, in another flavor would be better because???

Who's making excuses for him right now?

I was critical of the frank Clark trade from the start and people said I was being stupid. So don't throw that bullshit at me. Again I have no clue what you're attacking me for. We both agree Clark was a bad trade.

I'm not talking about here or you in particular, I'm talking about how we're stuck with his stupid ass. Andy, the team's PR department. Nobody is firing him after 1 year. We'll be LUCKY if his trash defenses only drag us down for 2 seasons.

It annoys me. We could have done better. I brought up Rex BECAUSE it's such a ridiculous thing to bring up and yet I still 100% think it's true.

Are you this dense on ****ing purpose or what?

It doesn't matter if you hated the trade today, yesterday, last year or April. That's not even the root ****ing issue here. I hated what they gave up to land him too, but at some point you have to stop being lazy as hell and questioning this player and that player when all 3 elements of the team are slumping.

It's coaching. Having y players instead of x doesn't suddenly make the coaching better and the Defense is still ****ing balls with your preferable choice of aids strain b instead of a.

**** right off. You called me naive for calling out the trade, you never once said a damn thing about coaching.

The coaching sucks. And the trade sucks. And better coaching isn't going to make the trade worth it unless frank Clark turns into an all pro which seems very doubtful. What planet do you live in do you think I'm saying not making the trade turns this team into an all pro defense. I was lukewarm on the spags hire and critical of the Clark trade. So again have no damm clue what you're calling me out on.

Why was Seattle eager to get rid of this guy? I mean he was one of their best players last season and performed consistently well his entire time there.

I wouldn’t be shocked if his elbow injuries were getting to be very bad and they knew it, sold him to a sucker like Veach and laughed to the bank. He had bad elbow problems with his UCL and also had broken bones in his hands that were supposed to be 8-10 week recoveries from surgery but didn’t do it to help his team last year.

I could be wrong but I didn’t hear about him fixing this shit in the offseason.

I seriously think Clark can’t get off blocks bc of these injuries. He’s let them sit for 2 years now. What the ****.

They weren’t eager. They got high draft picks and didn’t want to pay his contract.

Hi

ROFLROFLROFL

Looks like I jumped the gun back in October. Guess they really just needed more time to gel. Being wrong on that is cool.

Some instructive reading on being reactionary here. Quality LMAO

Go on. ;)

Shocking.

Didn't love the trade. I wasn't sure if spags could build a great defense even with elite talent and I thought the defense would nrr about 2 years. Very glad to be proven wrong.

This trade has officially been completed since all assets have been used. Here’s what how the trade went.

KC got:
Frank Clark

Seattle got:
LJ Collier DE TCU
*traded pick 64 for an additional pick getting them..
Damien Lewis G LSU
Alton Robinson DE Syracuse

Cash to pay the folllowing players:
L.J. Collier, 2019 cap hit: $1.970,196
Jadeveon Clowney, 2019 cap hit: $8,000,000
Ziggy Ansah, 2019 cap hit: $8,531,250

The beautiful thing about this was that this thread said a raping occurred, except reality shows us that it was in fact our dear GM Brett Veach that totally went in dry on John Schneider.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
I'm in Mexico and done further considering this, but Veach should be fired. Twice.

This is asinine.

Yikes

**** Dee Ford forever

Let this be a lesson to never trade star young players for draft picks. You can manipulate the cap to make that shit work.

Only trade for draft picks if you’re offloading old declining talent, a young player that you know is overrated and won’t work out or just trading down in the draft.

Frank clark is ****ing amazing.

I read on CP that he ****ing sucks

Chiefs won the trade....easily

yeah in retrospect DJ’s comment looks really bad. Not Pete’s “the Chiefs won’t sniff the playoffs “ horrible take bad but, still a major whiff.

Not trying to be a dick to anyone, fact is I respect most of the posters I quoted here. But this thread is comedy gold, guys. I'm sitting chuckling out loud re-reading some of these posts. It's really great to be able to laugh about it all now. Good times.

Small sample....but these are always fun to do.

Dude.....read your own ****ing posts. Don’t change your tune now.

Inject this shit into my veins.

Where in my post did I say I was right? This entire thread is full of people who were wrong about Frank, including me.

It's pretty close to that