I agree, but I think the current mentality is "Over the state line, but in Kansas" and not those other counties. TBH I'd be fine with JOCO or WYCO, Kansas is hungry for businesses while Missouri doesn't appear to care, so it makes sense and everybody wins.

I'm just happy they're separating the two efforts, it makes sense IMO. The Royals in downtown makes perfect sense, but I'd be a bit wary of the Royals organization following through on their development promises based on doing none of that around the current location. I know developing downtown is different that developing on the outskirts of town, I'm not lost on that, but it's why I think if the Royals move downtown and the Chiefs get all the space the Royals occupy, it would be perfect. Plenty of parking for football tailgates, and the Royals in a downtown setting like baseball is meant to be.

But alas, Kansas is motivated and probably more than willing to give the teams anything they ask for. It's much better when the state is motivated, not just one county.

Oversimplification... "The voters" said they weren't going to blindly approve what was on the table, rushed to the table at that. Perhaps that was the plan, but either way that vote was more about the Royals than it was the Chiefs.

But I think there are more of us who don't really care if they stay in JACO than to allow ourselves to be rammed into a bad deal. And I'm not sure why JACO residents are getting so upset, they should still be able to go to games, only now in better venues they didn't have to fund, they just have to drive a bit further.

Seriously, you're holding onto to your outdated love of bad weather as a defense?

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I went to last year's game in Green Bay, outside of it being Lambeau, it sucked. As did the loss, and the officials...

No thanks, I'm voting for a dome for my Chiefs, even if it means they move to Kansas.

STAR bounds mean you're harder and last longer. Then triple bypass for not listening to your body

The biggest detriment to the atmosphere will be the fact that most longtime season ticket holders will be priced out of their seats and the diehards will be replaced with a rich wine and cheese crowd.

I hope people understand that’s what will happen with a fancy new stadium.

What, specifically, was "wrong" with the proposal? I honestly have no idea what was wrong with it or why Jackson County didn't fight tooth and nail to keep the Chiefs.

If they somehow thought they were "entitled" to another vote/proposal, that's on them. They had the opportunity to remain the home to one of the 32 NFL franchises, and they chose otherwise. That's where we are.

Most of the objection was to the Royals proposal that it was tied to. They completely changed their plan late in the game to make it not work nearly as well, plus you have a bunch of people who are opposed to the Royals being downtown. If this vote had just been for Arrowhead I think most expect it would have passed. People groaned that the vision was weak or lame, but just keeping status quo would have been more than enough for me for Arrowhead.

All that said, if I lived in JaCo I would have definitely voted yes just for the certainty of keeping both teams. Let the Royals bad stadium plan be a problem for another day.

Just like now the price will be set by what the market can bear. Elite sports has become quite the show in recent decades, so many fans have been being priced out of the market in recent time. When I looked into it again in 2019, the price of seats in section 124 were ridiculous compared to what I used to pay for them in 2001-2004. It's just the way it is, so we opted for occasional games instead of going back to being STHs.

It's all good, and wine, cheese, and a charcuterie board are pretty darn sweet actually.

Tax funds going to a private business.

Frank White crying about truces. Boohoo.

He never did anything to contribute to stadium deals. KS is pushing ahead and hes crying about the big bad wolf. The worst politician in Missouri history.

It wasn't so much about the Chiefs as it was the Royals, sadly the Chiefs decided to ally with the Royals a ram through a very unvetted concept to get them downtown.

And what's wrong with them moving to WYCO or JOCO is the state of Kansas is so willing to pay any price the team(s) jot down on paper?

That was horrible but I survived, and with all limbs intact.

The worst games I've been to are when it's cold and raining. Hard to keep out the rain and then you're extra cold and miserable.

I think this is right, but I'm one who wanted the Royals downtown. Not only because baseball is a downtown sport, but it would give the TSC room to build a new dome for the Chiefs.

The tying the Royals to the Chiefs really ****ed it all up, but maybe that was done on purpose by the teams playing 5D chess to get out of JACO excuse...
I guess I just don't understand why people are so willing to be perpetually taxed to in order to claim they are from their county? They are the KC Chiefs NOT the JACO Chiefs. It's not very hard or long to drive to JOCO or WYCO to watch an event, and if the State of Kansas is going to strap themselves with perpetual debt to build a stadium that I'd prefer to attend the occasional game it, good.

Yeah, rain sucks more than anything in my experience. One thing I really love though is a snow game. If we get a dome of any kind that will be over forever.

What did MO do to keep them? Not just Frank and JACO, but what did Jeff City do to keep the Chiefs and Royals in MO?

Or you could, you know, not have prime seats. I'm in section 303 and it's just fine. And I'm sure I don't pay anywhere near what they do in 124.

How could this possibly be confusing?

The initial proposal in the first place was a damn near billion dollar renovation that was almost exclusively catered to generating revenue from the top 1% of fans.

The only chance they gave Jackson County that would've kept them at Arrowhead was tied to an awful Royals proposal that had crucial aspects being repeatedly changed until almost the day of the vote and had a significant groundswell of opposition towards it. They're now publicly stating their intentions of securing a new 2 billion+ stadium deal.

They've let the standard of the current facilities deteriorate to the point players voted Clark Hunt the worst owner in the league.

It's pretty blatantly obvious what the intentions of the Chiefs is here.

Yeah, I agree. I'm not a cold weather person but I do like snow games.

100% with you, we actually found that up high near the Ford zone in the summer was not only close to awesome vendors and seating, it was in the shade and the people were very cool. During the winter we'd find something in the sun and pray for sunny weather.

we should build a dome because we never know if the earth's axis could shift and we become a tundra climate

I don't think anybody is genuinely confused, and it takes a real JACO loyalist to think the teams have to stay in JACO to remain their fan. Add to it that MO never offers to help JACO like I've heard they did help St. Louis (I have nothing to prove that tho), it's hardly a surprise that when it's an entire state vs one county in another state the county will either lose or go broke out-bidding an entire state.

Perhaps the MO Governor should be asked what his thoughts are on the topic of MO losing its red-hot NFL team, and potentially its MLB team. It's not like MO couldn't crush KS if Jeff City wanted to, but we know Jeff City pretty-much limits their love to the St. Louis area. I've lived in MO for ~25 years, was told this when we first moved here, and it's pretty-much proven to be true.

I don't disagree at all, but that's the reality of having/keeping these teams. Other locales are more than willing to make such an investment.

If we can get KS to fund it, that's awesome, it's a win-win. Who loses and what exactly do they lose that matters?

And it's 81,700 square mile Kansas vs 604 square mile JACO; not really a fair fight IMO. Hey, if the Kansans want to fund the Chiefs current wet dream dome I'll be more than happy to drive over there for some games in it.

Passed the KS House with a super majority. On to the KS Senate. The state, THE STATE, would own 70% of it, meanwhile the MO government is doing nothing. Pretty telling...

And it was pretty interesting hearing one of the KS congressmen saying that, "MO is famous for losing professional sports teams", then named the Rams and the Scouts. Its the difference between a state that's hungry to gain another state's team(s) and a state's more than willing to lose the team.

Any MO resident who is unhappy with all this needs to understand this and perhaps understand that Jeff City is as much to blame here as Frank White.

Do state governments usually do much for this kind of thing? In Missouri it's a challenge because there are 2 major metros, and several other decent size. St. Louis doesn't give a rat's ass about keeping the Chiefs.

There is ****ing nothing in Kansas. All they have is the part of Kansas that is a bleed-over from Missouri. That's their best opportunity to grow. Kudos to them for being opportunistic.

I seem to recall people saying the Jeff City did get involved in getting the Cards what they were looking for, so if that's correct, perhaps it' not unprecedented. But I agree, Jeff City isn't going to help the KC metro area, that's pretty clear, so people need to direct their anger to the right places because KS is always willing to pick-away any/all businesses from the KC Missouri side, and Jeff City let's it happen. It is what it is, it's not worth getting mad about because I don't think it'll suddenly change soon enough to change this move, but at least it will be a short ride to KS to enjoy the occasional dead-cold winter game in a T-shirt once you're inside. Paid for by the state's people.

And no, Jeff City won't ever wake up and decide to compete with Kansas. This keeps the Kansans very happy. Maybe Mayor Q could blast the Governor and Jeff City with a rant and see if we can get the Governor to step away from the buffet.

Looks like it was, but not very much...

https://www.mlb.com/cardinals/ballpark/financing-report

It sounds like the tax payers in Carolina are about to be threatened with moving the Panthers after polling revealed their thoughts on potentially handing over millions of dollars.

How's the sticking it to the billionaires going?

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Jackson County loses a **** ton of revenue.

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But at least in 7 years I'll save a few pennies on my groceries.

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Sounds like Kansas Might have a second team... LMAO

The Hayes Panthers... LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NEW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NEW</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/JCEFrankWhite?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JCEFrankWhite</a> on the STAR Bond legislation passing in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ksleg?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ksleg</a>:<br><br>“I urge all stakeholders to honor the spirit of the 2019 truce and refrain from engaging in a counterproductive stadium bidding war.&quot;<a href="https://twitter.com/fox4kc?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@fox4kc</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/JacksonCountyMO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JacksonCountyMO</a> <a href="https://t.co/6dv1oBHgQV">pic.twitter.com/6dv1oBHgQV</a></p>&mdash; Kevin Barry (@KevinBarryTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/KevinBarryTV/status/1803154459825995800?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Oh well, it is what it is... Enjoy your shit-ton of revenue..

Ostriches don't stick their heads jn the sand as much as Frank

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LMAOLMAOLMAOLMAO

Frank thought Kansans were going to be honorable. After the number of businesses they've moved over the line, he was silly to not plan for this move.

That said, perhaps Frank should have a few choice words that invoke some locker room'esque words, for the MO Governor comparing his buffet-hogging ass to KS's Governor who's out there taking business from his state. Perhaps he could playback the sound clips of that of Kansas politician who pointed-out how "Missouri" tends to lose their teams, then call him a do-nothing Ponderosa buffet addict. Not that our Ponderosa addicted Governor will leave the buffet long enough to hear it, but it would be funny to watch...

JaCo after the tax expires

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Well if they did move to Topeka it would finally become a thriving metropolis one day a week for 12 weeks a year.

LMAO Genuinely pathetic behavior.

Gonna have to get some new slogans/chants going. I'll start: Rock Chalk Chiefs!

Anybody have any other good ones???

Topeka has more insane asylums per capita than most places in the world so think of the marketing angles.


We're just crrrrrazy bout our Chiefs!

Take the bipolar express to Chiefs Kingdom! Shuttles run every half hour

We got a license to mentally ill

You gotta fight

for your right

to have visitors between the hours of 11 and 3

ROFLROFL:clap::clap:

I'm a Jackson County resident. Upset at the shortsightedness of the idiots that wanted to stick it to the billionaires and save the strip club.

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Well Mayor Q finally chimed in with politically correct double talk suggesting MO should do something more than nothing, that the region should work together (LMAO), and that at least the MO-side counties that make up the KC metro should minimally work together. :facepalm:

Kansas lawmakers laugh...

I think some here are counting their chickens.

It's not over yet, calm down. And if it ends up truly being JACO against KS, let's agree that an entire state can sweeten a deal better than one county.

That said, I'm still OK with Kansas strapping their people with never-ending stadium upgrades so that I can drive over and watch the occasional cold day game in the warmth and a hot day game in the AC.

And the Royals moving to downtown KCK would be funny...

When is the last time you were in downtown KCK?

I think Jackson County should put all their energies into getting a downtown Royals stadium, which is natural and good and everyone wants, except those that hate driving 20 minutes (:rolleyes:).

I think them trying to compete with the proposal of Chiefstown, KS is an uphill battle.

Has anyone gone from hometown hero status to reviled a**hole status quite like Frank Clark? He screwed Jackson County taxpayers with massive property tax increases (I got a 48% increase) then made sure to completely undermine any efforts by the royals to improve their stadium situation and our downtown.

Jackson County clearly prefers the bear

Gosh who could you be talking about

He must not have seen the 900MM plan the Chiefs came up with for Arrowhead. Catering mainly to that exact same crowd. Completely escaped his mind.

They sure as **** am not going to get a vote from me.

I'm not paying for a stadium that's 6 hours away. **** that shit.

Kansas, sure we have Broncos fans in our Government. They're noble as all Kansans

The STAR bonds proposal officially passed and the Governor released a statement.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Kansas Governor <a href="https://twitter.com/LauraKellyKS?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LauraKellyKS</a> out with a statement moments after the STAR Bonds proposal passed <br><br>“Kansas now has the opportunity to become a professional sports powerhouse.”<br><br>Full statement here: <a href="https://t.co/Wex8TgXz5k">pic.twitter.com/Wex8TgXz5k</a></p>&mdash; Matt Evans (@MattEvansKMBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattEvansKMBC/status/1803200718645473630?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sure, but those were luxury suites and areas, not the general seating area.

What’s going to hurt is the Personal Seat Licenses that will be introduced with a new stadium that every season ticket holder will have to buy in addition to their tickets. In addition to tickets being way more expensive than ever before simply due to fancy new stadium.

Those Arrowhead upgrades, while largely geared toward the rich, were still far more friendly to the common fan than a new stadium will be.

Watching this shit unfold is like deja vu.

It's the saaaaaaame shit all over again.

Opposition saying the saaaaame exact shit. And then when the Chiefs leave, the opposition will say to the public, "Don't worry about it! We'll get another NFL team! We're the great city of Kansas City and any team would be blessed to have us"

And then they'll be pitching how awesome it is to build a 20K seat soccer stadium on the Arrowhead's burial ground.

But hey, don't take it from the guy who just watched this same exact scenario go down in San Diego, what do i know!?

So who’s the real piece of shit at the end of the day here?

Clark Hunt?
John Sherman?
Frank White?
Quinton Lucas?
Mike Parson?
Tom Brady?

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The rich wine and cheese crowd from where?

They still have to go to Kansas.

The wine and cheese crowd assumption cracks me up. So far from the truth.

Tickets today are 500% more expensive than they were 8 years ago.

Still the same blue collar die yards out there every week. We have lost zero guys from our 15 year tailgate crew.

People will come. Maybe you won’t. But if you’re a sour ass then that’s fine anyway.

**** you, Frank Clark!

Slaps BBQ about a month ago, why?

Because Parson is the one spending too much time at the buffet to see that he alone let county to fight an adjoining state on their own. It's not over and he could decide to stick it to KS, but I have a feeling that he won't because, well, Jeff City only cares about St. Louis.

It's all good, if the entire state of Kansas and their farmers can build a $2B stadium for me to go to occasionally, good for them. And the KCK Royals still makes me laugh.

Ok, so you were just being totally tongue in cheek then.

About the future KCK Royals being funny? No, it's funny...

About KCK being a potential landing spot.

Though the thriving dive bar scene there in the Strawberry Hill and Russian Hill neighborhoods would provide the “entertainment district” for people who aren’t content with the games actually being the entertainment.

KCK is being floated as a place for Kansas to stick the Royals. If that happens, that's funny.

The reactions from the “no” vote people who seemed super confident this would just lead to a better proposal to stay will be interesting should they both leave.

Meh, I voted "no", and I'm OK with driving to Kansas to see the occasional Chiefs game. Maybe I'm one of the few who don't mind.

And the KCK Royals is just funny... After they sell off enough good players and go back to the bottom of the league, they'll be the most recent Oakland A's - a shit team in the area's slums.

Dave Helling speaking facts

https://youtube.com/shorts/HZrWDgixA...o-gTQoneZeUNUt

A pretty decent convo for the first 20 minutes of Petro's Chiefs podcast about the stadiums. Brought in Sam McDowell who's been very connected on all this from the beginning.

https://www.youtube.com/live/Wv-_eKX...rZ5ar_DFxb9aY2

McDowell had a lot of good thoughts. He was clear that neither team did a great job here, but at the same time sounded like he's not sure Missouri has the support to make this happen regardless. Definitely not at the state level, and then you have to consider the current stadiums are owned by the county and their executive (Frank White) has not been supportive of this and he's not sure there's the momentum at the county level to override him. Said the Chiefs might not want to do that dance again. Made it sound like the teams are still interested in Missouri but will the state or local governments work with them at all.

I can appreciate how emphatic he was about how absent the State of Missouri has been in the events, it's pretty telling. I don't think it would have forced the teams to provide the answers all seek, they want a blank check and no risk, but it's interesting how Missouri doesn't get involved while the State to our west does business as a State.

Interesting listen, and the key to it all is that it could be argued that the Chiefs might have tied themselves to what was a Royals deal simply to get the "no" vote (knowing what was being offered had waaaay too little information) so they could have the excuse to move to Kansas. And I'd also note that they all agree that one of Missouri's largest challenges is the legislature being a bunch of fools. The gambling thing isn't small either. So I think it could be argued that the Chiefs knew all this, they tied themselves to a rather sure "no" vote, so now they're free.

And I'm OK with that, I'm not one of the Missouri folks who won't drive over to Kansas for watch a game because the Chiefs moved. The Chiefs are moving because Missouri is indeed a State that is willing to lose their sports teams and cry about useless truces that were signed many years ago. That's on the Governor of MO for not having the will to play hardball with a neighboring state in order to keep a team they claim they'd like to keep.

I'm surprised about all the criticism towards the no voters. It's obvious the whole plan was shit from all sides, and then we have people crying "but what if they leave, you should have just given the billionaires whatever they wanted so I can root for my home town".

(one of your better posts)

Right?!?!?!? "Sign a blank check or we'll move" was about what we were hearing. Again, most of us are fine with driving to KS for the occasional game knowing we'll be in T-shirts no matter what the weather is outside.

As for the Royals, unless something dramatic happens, they'll fall back to their steady state of sucking and being the KCK Royals will be funny to hear about.

White has said all along the proposal has not been transparent and there were too many questions unanswered and he didn't want it to go to vote because of this. The teams also want Frank white to take the criticism of inactivity rather than the teams take responsibility for lack of transparency. (They even used Mrs Glass for their PR lol)

If the teams had a reasonable plan with real answers then I have no doubt White would have been on board.

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