That stuff is going to happen tho

Okay, and? That doesn't mean they get carte blanche to be completely worthless. Worthy isn't even rookie season Hardman at this point and Suamataia isn't fit for the active roster.

Maybe. But he's been basically a 50% catch rate receiver so far, and today he went 1-4. Don't remember every miss, except the drop on the short out and the deep shot that was thrown oob, but it doesn't look like he's improving either. Maybe if they take some of the pressure off he'll relax and get better.

Worthy targets per game

3
4
4
6
8
8
2
4

3 of his 5 TDs came in September.

Kid is going backwards.

He should have 10 TDs to be honest. Very easily. Maybe a dozen

You really can’t think of a reason his targets shot up and then went back down?

Remember, Worthy missed a lot of OTAs & I think that has hampered the connection between Mahomes and Worthy. NOT blaming either but just need more practice and get into a groove with each other. Need to take more shots in the first half of games. If it gets picked off big deal be just like a punt. The reward is fear and that will help with the run game and open up the offense.

I think had Worthy not been hurt and missing OTAs we would have a better connection. Mahomes also has to put the ball in field of play for him to have a chance to come down with it.

It’s disappointing considering the injuries to our receivers and the snaps he’s playing.

He reminds me a lot of Mecole (but it’s still way too early to make that judgement call).

He was slowly ramping up his workload even before Rice got hurt. He and Hopkins could not be more different players, so if you're trying to insinuate that Hopkins is taking all his targets that's bupkis. If he was developing properly he'd be ramping up right about now to at least a semi reliable 3rd option in the offense. He isn't, though.

It's November and you're talking about June OTAs.

Yeah, I think more time in the offseason together would have been beneficial. Am I wrong?

Yes. A week of practice in shorts is not the difference between having chemistry and not having chemistry 6 months later.

If any other QB made the throw Mahomes made when he missed Worthy for a long TD... they'd be getting absolutely roasted everywhere for it.

Do you happen to have access to his snap counts or routes run? Does that correlate with his target fluctuations?

Can he not be a slot receiver? I feel like with his speed he should be able to kill it on slants and quick hitches

ya the 3 time has earned that type of respect

34-3
44-4
37-4
45-4
56-6
42-8
38-8
58-2
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Mahomes makes the throw he should to a wide open Worthy and he scores then we are all praising him and are not taking about this

That Buccaneers game is insane. After he ****ed up the deep shot and the end around Pat pretty much ignored him.

Worthy is getting open deep pretty much every game. It's only a matter of time for him and Mahomes to come together.

Mecole had arguably a better first year. :shrug:

Did he get hurt? Didn’t hear an update during the broadcast

Yeah, I glanced at that earlier. Hard to rationalize.

He realistically should have scored in about every game this year. That's something

Because it's the kind of shit someone like 493rd says.

"Oh no if these guys don't improve this is a terrible draft class."

Cool story, bro.

I think that could be because the offense was so much better back then.

I mean, okay. Gotta be something. Worthy came to us supposedly a better WR from the get-go, so I'll buy that excuse at this point.

It was. They played with their hair on fire. Now they dink/dunk with an occasional deep ball that Mahomes isn’t hitting well.

Once Pat and him get on the same page, it’s lights out for everyone else.

I have a feeling they are going to have a huge game next week.

X has to be itching to show Buffalo they should have never passed on him and allowed KC to have him.

It certainly will be a cool story if the Chiefs are forced to rely on these guys in January and they can't come through.

Especially Suamataia. What is that, 3 times now this season Morris has had to exit a game due to his knee? Started in preseason and it's flared up a couple times this season.

Sorry our rookies aren't playing like All Pros yet.

Have you tried e-mailing Brett or Andy about it? They might need to be told they need to get these rookies to start playing good football.

I'd settle for any sign that they're developing, at all. Or just sent to the inactive list in Kingsleys case.

For the record I already suggested we perma inactive Sua the rest of the season. It’s hard to get ****ing first round rookie OTs to play well as it is let alone guys in the late 2nd. So just see what next year brings before we set our hair on fire maybe?

And as for Worthy, I think it’s absolutely ****ing ridiculous that your primary assessment of his play so far is “Man, he might be a bust”

Again, that’s 493rd kind of shit

That's not what I said though? I said he's struggling to develop chemistry with Mahomes and he seems to be regressing as the season goes on.

Kingsley looked absolutely terrible. Has a ton of work to just be competent. Still has a big ceiling, but we are seeing the floor right now.

That was some Jordan Black type shit.

Gotta figure it out before playing Pittsburgh or they will have to scheme a predictable game plan. I think we can decisively beat Buffalo as is, but our real threat is Pittsburgh.

Should have had a long TD today. Worthy is doing fine

Tyreek became a great route runner while in KC. I don't see more than straight line speed out of Worthy so far. Anything is possible and I hope he develops. There are just so few 160 lb WR in the league that you can count on.

The funny thing is that Tyreek basically had the same amount of yards at this same point of his rookie year. Difference is he did it in 138 snaps while Worthy has around 400 assuming he played around 50 snaps today.

So he could turn it up just like Tyreek did in the 2nd half of the rookie season. But man, Tyreek flashed so much the start of his rookie year that it was almost undeniable he would eventually be great.

Worthy is a weapon with that speed, he absolutely isn't as good a route runner imo as some suggested coming out. Then again, the coaches seem to think he's improving so what do I know. There does seem a distinct lack of chemistry with Mahomes. I just think Mahomes has got so used to dink and dunk the last couple of years he's a little off on longer balls.

If Worthy is just a slightly better version of MVS it'll be a shame, especially given some of the performances of other guys in that class, but I'd still classify that as a reasonable outcome probably.

He constantly gets open, Mahomes doesn't have the time or ankle to make the accurate throws.

The OL was horrific yesterday and by the time Mahomes tried the deep ball he had taken double digit hits and ankle was already f'ed.

If we can give him an extra second and a semi decent base to throw from then its curtains

Tyreek is a hall of fame talent that worked his ass off learning the position and is built like a brick shit house. There's no reason to compare Tyreek to Worthy other than they are both fast but Tyreek is just different.

Not as impossible of a task as you're making it out to be...Brandon Coleman is the starting rookie left tackle for Washington and he was drafted round 3. Plays like he belongs in the NFL.

Injury status?

He was back in the game after the injury so it probably wasn't that bad. Probably just landed wrong.

Mahomes threw him out of bounds on the deep shot.

I didn't say it's impossible, dipshit.

You can count on one hand those guys drafted in the 2nd round and later in the last 10 years who have that kind of rookie success.

Hell, the only other starting OT beyond the 3rd round I can name who was pretty good as a rookie is David Bakhtiari.

Concerning the deep ball, Mahomes never developed proper chemistry with Hardman or MVS and now he’s struggling to do so with Worthy.

In fact, the only receiver he’s had consistent deep chemistry with in his career is Tyreek.

At this point, we have to come to the realization that it’s a Mahomes issue. His deep ball sucks. For all the little things at the QB he has such a natural feel for, the deep shot just isn’t one of them.

If he ever develops that Russell Wilson/Tom Brady moon ball, the league is truly ****ed.

As far as I know, he had no issues with drops in college.

I had people in the stadium telling me at halftime that worthy is wide open for an easy TD in the first half. I'd bet the film is going to be a topic of conversation with Pat.

Even if he doesn't trust Worthy, he is so wide open, there is going to be no interception.

Getting really annoyed with the “Worthy regressing” and especially the “Worthy connection isn’t there what’s wrong with the kid” propaganda because quite honestly there is an issue with the connection between the two and it ain’t Worthy.

Mahomes missed Worthy on 2 wide open TD’s yesterday. Oh and Mahomes was not under pressure either time when Worthy was open. Two horrible throws man.

This kid is open multiple times every single game man

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I realize Mahomes isn’t going to ever be the best deep ball thrower, and it’s very likely the wind played a big role yesterday, but you gotta give the kid a real chance now. If he ****s it up, then so be it he’d be an MVS again. But you gotta keep it in bounds and out in front of him.

Thats gonna be Worthy’s game in this league. He theoretically should be MVS on steroids. I think they’ll get it down as we go but it seems like the attempts need to go up regardless. One deep shot a game isn’t enough as an entire offense.

Mahomes just kinda gave up after that deep shot.

Maybe he decided the focus should be on moving the chains to get the game back in hand, but man. We are not giving our guy that many opportunities to succeed here if its just 1 deep ball per game.

Damn upon the rewatch it's crazy how badly Worthy had that shit eating white boy beat. And Pat literally throws the ball out of bounds.

Clearly Pat has a level of his game in the deep ball that sucks. But the fact is was indeed better at it years ago when Tyreek was here

The entire team played piss poor yesterday and got Denver’s absolute best coming off a beat down in Baltimore.

Mahomes left 3 wide open TD’s on the board. McDuffie played his worst game of his career, the OL including our 3 stud IOL all got outplayed and out worked and Chris Jones got outplayed the entire 2nd half.

I think the short week with OT on MNF had this team exhausted. I think that they were also looking ahead to Buffalo.

Wentz time wenches. For a down or three

I won’t blame Mahomes for the second one. That was clearly some scramble drill shit and Mahomes would have no way of knowing where Worthy was going to go.

In fact, I might even blame Worthy for appearing to turn outside into the defender with the middle being a complete void.

He wasn’t any better in the past, Tyreek was just different. He made Alex Smith the statistical best deep passer in the NFL in 2017. Alex Smith of all people!

He hurried that throw because he heard footsteps - he had time but the clock in his head was sped up because of all the protection issues.

Yeah I keep coming back to the protection, and I'm starting to believe it.

Mahomes just does not look like himself since we had to start Donovan Smith and Wanya Morris. I can't believe I miss Eric Fisher right now.

Yeah,

I get that, what I don’t get is he had the whole half of the field to use. Throw the ball more toward back pylon. But I understand him hearing footsteps.

The more frequently i watch other teams, the more I realize that the scramble drill shit really isn't exclusive to us.

Successful teams are all scoring points off those plays. The Lions were doing it with Goff last night. Stroud did it a couple times.

Those plays are a part of the game now. You have to be able to execute them or you're going to struggle.

Mahomes had an easy throw and a clear lane. He needs to hit that ball. And the other deep shot. And the Kelce ball.

He struggled yesterday. A lot.

I think the ankle (and protection issues) really affected him yesterday. Not sure I remember so many bad throws in a single game from Mahomes.

I don’t get all the hate, the kid is young and he’s learning.

You all know he’s going to end up catching a huge 70 yard bomb in the playoffs during a crucial situation, and you’re all going to be slobbering on his nuts when such an event occurs. That’s what happens on this team, because we’re the Chiefs. Then the next week, it’ll be some other heavily criticized player making the game winning play, and we’ll all celebrate in sheer joy. Because… Chiefs.

You’d think most of you would have figured this out by now. ��

2018 Mahomes hits this with ease. He’s playing conservative.

Worthy was wide open and he air mailed it. Could Worrhy have move more to his right to the middle? Yeah. But he was still open and Mahomes plain missed the open shot.

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When you have a bum ankle, you are hesitant to plant hard on it. When you throw off a flat platform without planing the left ankle (for righties), the ball tends to said. Most of his off throws yesterday did just that

Again worthy showed how great he is at getting open. Mahomes has got to start hitting him.

Chiefs will feed the Bills their own shit this week for not drafting Worthy.

BALEE DAT

Mahomes sucks this year.

Whatever. Flame me. It is what it is. And he's been regressing on a yearly basis.

Tired of ignoring the elephant in the room. He needs to be better. Period. Stop blaming protections and WR's and coverages. He ****ing sucks this year.

Doubt it. Deep ball might be the worst part of Mahomes' game.

Odd thread to put this in but fair enough.

OK, that angle tells a different story.

I will lay the blame at Mahomes’ feet there. He’s just gotta grip and rip that one. Worthy is wide open by NFL redzone standards there.

Well, the discussion is about Worthy not being effective.

Sometimes it's Worthy not being effective....but most of the time it's been Mahomes just flat out missing him.

Worthy isn't going to be effective in physical contested catch situations. He wasn't in college either. That's never been his game.

And when Worthy has won in the ways Worthy is supposed to win in, Mahomes has just flat out missed him.

Mahomes has played like shit all but maybe twice all season and im tired of watching everyone else catching strays for it.

He needs to fix his shit. Straight up.

****ing sucks is a bit much.

You what that clip feels like?

It's feels like current version Aaron Rodgers. Like Mahomes was expecting some route adjustment from the receiver so he through it to the open spot on the field, expecting some zin psychic magic adjustment from Worthy. And because Worthy didn't adjust his route to match Mahomes' use of "the Force" ala Kelce, it's a ****ing incompletion.

Quit trying to out think every goddamn thing and put the ball on the receiver.

Why do people say, "Old Mahomes woulda hit that".

You know why? Because Old Mahomes wouldn't try to zin energy every goddamn route and instead just put the ball on the freakin' receiver.

No, it's not. He's playing like a middle range QB right now.

Dudes are out here ripping off 400 yard games and when we get a 250 yard game we're like, "AWW YEAH, the magic is back, baby"

Sucks is a little far I would say Tox, he’s still playing top 10 QB level.

But compared to 2018-2022…. Yeah, it’s annoying.

He’s basically playing Alex Smith ball. Overprotective of the football even though most his turnovers this year I think are because defenses are able to trigger downhill so easily without fear of the explosive play.

Of course he could just do what he did in the playoffs and more or less flip a switch. I’d much prefer see it sooner however.

JuJu and Hollywood would help.

When we're pulling up Bo Nix stat sheets and pretending like they're not similar....mmmm.....

No. Sucks is a fine word. Maybe not one we'd ever want to use for our savior, but it is what it is.

We're more than halfway through the season and he has 12TD's and 9 Int's and has missed on big plays every single week.

It's suck. What makes it frustrating is that it's hard to understand why because we know what he's capable of.

Ok, he sucks compared to what he’s capable of. But you don’t get to 9-0 with genuine suck QB play.

He needs to be better and I have every reason to think he will be when we need it.

I mean fair.

I'm just not gonna spend extra time ripping on Mahomes. Literally all we can do is wait and hope that it gets better.

12TD's and 9 Ints while air mailing TD's on a weekly basis would be total suckage for any QB not named Mahomes.

He's been clutch. And i agree, i think/hope he turns it on when it matters the most.

But i'd bet $2K that Mahomes himself thinks he's been relatively suck this year.