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tk13 08-14-2018 08:54 PM

Mondesi now has the highest slugging percentage on the team. 3 steals tonight too. Now has 15 SB in 38 games.

BWillie 08-14-2018 08:55 PM

Kyle ****ing Isbel

188 ABs
.356 Avg
.994 OPS
6 HR
23 SB

Currently in Lexington, where Melendez (.790 OPS), Pratto (.707 OPS) and Matias (.853 OPS) are.

SPchief 08-14-2018 08:57 PM

Mondesi may turn out to be pretty good

'Hamas' Jenkins 08-14-2018 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 13674884)
Why did the people in charge of building/acquiring the Lambo hand it to Matheny?

Two reasons:

1) Mozeliak didn't build the Lambo, Jeff Luhnow did. See what Houston is doing right now for another example of his acumen. He was second in command and left after 2011, getting the Houston job

2) DeWitt was a huge personal fan of Matheny because of his spiritual beliefs and a dumbass letter he wrote to parents of the Little League team he coached (his only prior coaching experience, FWIW), which later became a book called, I shit you not, The Matheny Manifesto.

Once Luhnow left the farm system began to dry up, and with Matheny's attrition of the bullpen and horrible tactical management, the window they had from 2012-2015 closed after Taveras died and Mozeliak couldn't restock the farm with talent that had elite-level upside. He's too risk averse, which led to the team being stocked with high floor, low ceiling types. With that said, there is still enough talent to compete for a Wild Card spot, and it's pretty obvious that has been the case since shitcanning Matheny, as the Cardinals have gone on a tear. As I mentioned earlier, Matheny also propagated a toxic clubhouse culture and repeatedly overused or misused players. He beat the desk for Greg Holland, which cost the team 14 million dollars, a draft pick, and probably 3-5 games alone. On top of that, his coaches were terrible (John Mabry's firing has completely changed the hitting philosophy of the team for the better, and strikeout numbers have plummeted), but he wouldn't replace them.

At the time of the hire people gave the Cardinals the benefit of the doubt because everything they touched turned to gold. They were a model baseball franchise. But then Pujols left (and if he stayed, he would have declined all the same), Matheny got repeatedly depantsed in the playoffs, and the window shut.

2013: WS appearance
2014: NLCS appearance
2015: NLDS appearance
2016: 2nd place, missed playoffs
2017: 3rd place, missed playoffs
2018: 4th place at time of firing, .500 record.

I'll say this about Ibanez: there was a time when people thought Matheny was a progressive hire because he could related to young players, being in his early 40's and a player of some note. Caveat emptor.

BWillie 08-14-2018 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPchief (Post 13674895)
Mondesi may turn out to be pretty good

Looks like he has the highest slug pct on the active team right now

Bufkin 08-14-2018 09:29 PM

Thank God we brought Boyer back on the 25 man roster.

Sure-Oz 08-14-2018 10:16 PM

@FlannyMLB: Jorge Lopez will be called up and start tomorrow night.

@FlannyMLB: Ned said a corresponding move to make room for Lopez will be made tomorrow.

Prison Bitch 08-14-2018 10:51 PM

I bet I know what that move is after tonites debacle

Prison Bitch 08-14-2018 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 13674842)
It is absolutely, incontrovertibly true. He ****ed around with Taveras so much that Mozeliak had to trade Allen Craig just to get him to play him. He ruined the arms and careers of Kevin Siegrist, Seth Maness, and Trevor Rosenthal. He played favorites, preferring shitty veterans that attended his Bible study group over superior, younger options.

The 2011 system had these guys in it

Matt Adams
Matt Carpenter
Allen Craig
Lance Lynn
Shelby Miller
Trevor Rosenthal
Kevin Siegrist
Carlos Martinez
Tommy Pham
Oscar Taveras

Then add Freese, Jaime Garcia, Wainwright, Yadi, Matt Holliday, and Beltran on it.

He had a team filled with elite veteran talent and about 110 fWAR just in those guys I listed above that weren't even regular players yet.

He was absolutely handed a Lambo.


The Cubs are the "Lambo"

RippedmyFlesh 08-14-2018 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanT (Post 13674612)
Me, too. I've been a big fan of his ever since we acquired him as a 28 year-old from the M's, with his manager there, Lou Piniella, saying he would be good for us as long as he got at bats and some baseball-analytics types condemning him even before he got his chance with us. He went from an OPS of .630 in 156 plate appearances with the M's in 2000 to an OPS of .847 in twice the number of plate appearances with the Royals in 2001 and followed that up with OPS's of .873 and .799 with the Royals in 2002 and 2003, respectively. When he came back to the Royals in 2014, he gave an amazing speech to the players convincing them that they were on the cusp of greatness. https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ouse/15314435/

I'm a yankee fan and he only played 1 year here but he is one of my all time favorite players. I think he would be a great manager. Always thought he was one of the most professional classy players I have ever seen let alone how clutch he was. His stats were deceiving with the yankees he was money when it mattered.

At 40 he hit .240 19 hr 62 rbi and finished 24th in mvp voting. The 3rd highest of his career. In 02 sweeney hit 340 24 86 and finished 20th. So some writers also saw what a bad ass he was that year with the yankees.

tk13 08-14-2018 11:24 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per <a href="https://twitter.com/EliasSports?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@EliasSports</a>, only 6 players in MLB history younger than Adalberto Mondesi (23 years, 18 days) recorded 4 hits &amp; 3 steals in a game. 3 are Hall of Famers (Ty Cobb, Luis Aparicio, Tim Raines).</p>&mdash; Dave Holtzman (@DHoltzy) <a href="https://twitter.com/DHoltzy/status/1029592983845384192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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suzzer99 08-15-2018 01:58 AM

Does his first name change every month?

Al Bundy 08-15-2018 03:58 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That Alcides Escobar plate appearance triggered another $75,000 bonus. It’s the 13th PA bonus he’s collected this year, totaling $975,000. That’s in addition to his $2.5 million base salary. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Royals?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Royals</a></p>&mdash; Craig Brown (@CraigBrown_BP) <a href="https://twitter.com/CraigBrown_BP/status/1029560522298073088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Al Bundy 08-15-2018 04:03 AM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Matt Strahm as a starter: 13.1 IP, 1.35 ERA, 18 Ks. In relief: 30.2 IP, 2.64 ERA, 27 Ks. He is 13 months removed from a surgery that can require 18 months for a full recovery.</p>&mdash; Dennis Lin (@dennistlin) <a href="https://twitter.com/dennistlin/status/1029586691944665089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 15, 2018</a></blockquote>
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duncan_idaho 08-15-2018 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13674978)
The Cubs are the "Lambo"


They are now. They started being that in 2014/2015.

In 2012, when Matheny took over the defending World Champs, Theo Epstein was about 3 months into the job and just restarting the rebuild process. The Cubs weren’t good until 2015 and their farm system didn’t reach elite levels until 2014.

Matheny took over a team with an established, elite hitter (Holliday), one of the 2-3 best catchers in baseball (Molina), a legitimate ace starter (Wainwright), several good emerging young players (Allen Craig, David Freese, Lance Lynn, Jaime Garcia, Jon Jay) and a top 5-10 farm system at the outset of 2012 that became the top farm system as the season wore on.

It also was a team that was able to attract Carlos Beltran in free agency.

Matheny won a lot of games early because of what he inherited, but he also burned through several young arms (he’s a great example of bullpen abuse - not just overusing guys in actual games, but also of “getting them hot” multiple times in a game, which is just as damaging), he struggled with young players who were not part of his clique (Wong, Tavares, Shelby Miller, Carlos Martinez have all had difficulties with him), and FA goodwill dried up.

The Cubs surpassed the Cardinals in 2016, but up to that point, the Cardinals were the stronger organization.

Matheny’s ineptness in so many key phases of managing (clubhouse, player development, bullpen) is a key part of the Cardinals’ fall.

Mozeliak owns a big part of their decline, too. But Matheny owns a huge portion of it.


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