Falling apart at the seams and Pittsburgh just keeps on winning ugh.

I really doubt LaRussa leaves Rosenthal in to give up the winning run especially after throwing 30 consecutive fastballs

LaRussa being a bonehead at times has no relevance to Matheny, who is a completely incompetent manager.

Expecting too much is just another way of setting yourself up for disappointment. :Poke:

It's just not realistic to win the WS every year. DJ nut says every season is a failure unless you win the WS. Do we all have to go down that path?

He doesn't actually even care about the WS, which I find exceedingly bizarre. He measures absolute success by pennants, but even then he doesn't expect it every year. He thought (and rightly so) that the Cardinals should have won the pennant last year once they got in a 3-1 situation, but he wasn't expecting a WS appearance from an 88 win team.

It's easy to say that you're asking too much, but are you really? The Cardinals have a really, really good roster and yet they are completely incapable of coming from behind to win and their strategic decisions are almost universally moronic.

I'm not upset when the team loses. I'm upset when the team loses because Rob Johnson calls 29 straight fastballs when his pitcher has an elite changeup, and then Matheny brings in our second worst reliever in a one run game in the top of the 9th.

Yeah, I'm pissed at Rosenthal too, but physical mistakes happen. Baseball is hard. I don't constantly rage on Kozma because he's not the dumbass running himself out there every day, and he plays hard.

Similarly, I rage on Matheny because he leaves Lynn in too long when he's gassed and then goes to Choate rather than Siegrist. Lineup decisions could be made intelligently by almost every poster on this board.

No one here can hit Michael Blazek, but almost everyone could understand that the Cubs batters can easier than Mujica.

I truly hope Matheny is fired at the end of this year. This hire is on Mo for hiring an individual who had ZERO experience. Baseball is like a game of chess and you need a damn chessmaster as a coach. Matheny is just like Herm- a player's coach that doesn't know how to play chess.

I disagree. I don't think the manager has that much of a direct impact on the game beyond pitching changes in the later innings. The manager's job is to sit the tone in the clubhouse, try to create some chemistry. Thats where they earn their money, make a difference.

You can't fire Matheny after this season. He was within one game of the World Series last year. Had the best record in baseball most of the year and will probably make the playoffs.

Do you really think that anyone worth a shit as a manager would take the job if the last one was fired with a W/L record like that? Come on man.......

We are not the Yankees in the 70's. Just who do you think we could get to manage next year?

I understand what you're saying, but the team is below .500 over the last 2.5 months despite being first in the NL in runs created and third in the ML in xFIP.

Perhaps, instead of worrying about who we could get (Ron Warner has earned a shot) you might focus on who could possibly be worse. Bobby Valentine, I guess, and Dusty Baker.

There is no need to worry about who we could get. This team could tank. Quit on the manager and he will still be back next year. This get rid of the manager after two years is a pipe dream.

Especially when the performance of the team doesn't warrant his firing. He makes boneheaded moves. WTF were you thinking moves? But Larussa is going into the HOF and he did those bonehead moves all the time.

I was no fan of La Russa, but he also had Dave Duncan walking through that door. That made a huge difference.

I will also say this: with the exception of the unconscionable and unforgivable stupidity of Game 5 of the 2011 WS La Russa was pretty damned masterful in those playoffs. He yanked Carpenter early in Game 2 against Philly when he had nothing, and did the same thing repeatedly in the NLCS when buffoons like Garcia and Jackson couldn't get out of the third inning without running into trouble. You could accuse him of overmanaging, but he didn't leave an ineffective starter out their to get his ass kicked, no matter who it was.

Matheny tries to chase wins for his starters and is always about eight steps too slow in making a pitching change.

Matt Holliday:

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God bitch. We should have scored four runs in that inning and scored one.

The ways this team finds to **** up or find awful luck is just astounding.

All you can do is shake your head at this point. This is unreal.

Our relievers cannot throw strikes.