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ChiefsCountry 02-10-2009 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477684)
What teams have actually done that successfully? Go from a 2-14 team drafting a QB to a SB contender with that QB. I just can't think of any that have done it.
Pittsburgh
Dallas
Indianapolis

OnTheWarpath15 02-10-2009 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477684)
What teams have actually done that successfully? Go from a 2-14 team drafting a QB to a SB contender with that QB. I just can't think of any that have done it.
Why does it have to be 2-14?

Pittsburgh was 6-10 the year before they drafted Roethlisberger.

The Giants were 4-12 the year before they drafted Eli.

Indy was 3-13 the year before they drafted Peyton.

The last 3 SB winners, and you can't think of any?

dirk digler 02-10-2009 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477674)
You really have no idea what the spread actually is, do you?

The 2-minute offense is not necessarily a true spread offense.

And FWIW, "when it matters most" usually means when you're desperate to get points to win/tie a game. You don't go to this crap for an entire game.
From wikipedia:

The spread offense begins with a no-huddle approach with the quarterback in the shotgun formation much of the time. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets (some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen). The object of the spread offense is to open up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field (a "horizontal stretch") to cover everyone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tteStadium.jpg

Basileus777 02-10-2009 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5477676)
You get your QB first then fix the rest.
Considering the only other players worth taking with the 3rd pick are defensive players, his logic makes no sense. We can put talent around our QB with other picks and future first rounders.

SAUTO 02-10-2009 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5477692)
From wikipedia:

The spread offense begins with a no-huddle approach with the quarterback in the shotgun formation much of the time. The fundamental nature of the spread offense involves spreading the field horizontally using 3, 4, and even 5-receiver sets (some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen). The object of the spread offense is to open up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game to exploit, as the defense is forced to spread itself thin across the field (a "horizontal stretch") to cover everyone.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tteStadium.jpg
sounds like most teams' 2 minute offense to me

Just Passin' By 02-10-2009 07:41 PM
I'm not able to post links yet, so this will have to do:

This is from a Boston Globe column on December 12, 2007. The writer was Mike Reiss:

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Of the team's 484 pass attempts this season, a whopping 359 have come out of the shotgun (74 percent).

Of the team's 865 total offensive plays, not including penalties, 421 have come out of the 'gun (49 percent).
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It does to the opposition, however, because the Patriots have turned to the shotgun to turn games into what can look like target practice. Sunday's win over the Steelers was the latest example.

The Patriots utilized the shotgun 38 times out of 55 total plays (not including penalties), and turned to it almost exclusively at the decisive point of the game in the third quarter.
It's not 100%, but it's a lot, and it's been very successful.

dirk digler 02-10-2009 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5477697)
I'm not able to post links yet, so this will have to do:

This is from a Boston Globe column on December 12, 2007. The writer was Mike Reiss:





It's not 100%, but it's a lot, and it's been very successful.
Yep. It helps though to have a great QB like Brady with 2 very good WR's with Moss and Welker

doomy3 02-10-2009 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5477697)
I'm not able to post links yet, so this will have to do:

This is from a Boston Globe column on December 12, 2007. The writer was Mike Reiss:





It's not 100%, but it's a lot, and it's been very successful.

Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can say the Pats haven't been using a variation of the spread for awhile now.

prhom 02-10-2009 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5477691)
Why does it have to be 2-14?

Pittsburgh was 6-10 the year before they drafted Roethlisberger.

The Giants were 4-12 the year before they drafted Eli.

Indy was 3-13 the year before they drafted Peyton.

The last 3 SB winners, and you can't think of any?
Okay, you (and Chiefscountry) have a good point. I didn't think those teams were that bad before drafting those QBs. My mistake. However, let's not use 2-14 then. How about winning 2 out of 25? I'm surprised that's not an NFL record for futility.

Just Passin' By 02-10-2009 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5477702)
Yeah, I'm not sure how anyone can say the Pats haven't been using a variation of the spread for awhile now.
Well, Belichick and Meyers are friends, and Belichick spent time studying what Meyers is doing down in Florida before this season.

DaneMcCloud 02-10-2009 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477669)
It's only important if the rest of the team is worth a sh**... I'm saying you shouldn't worry too much about that until you have the other major problems fixed.
ROFL

RustShack 02-10-2009 07:50 PM
Stafford/Sanchez likely wouldn't start for us next year anyways... you continue to upgrade the roster and build around them. No one is expecting Super Bowl or even Playoffs next year. If your homer ass is, die in a fire before your disappointed.

ChiefsCountry 02-10-2009 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by prhom (Post 5477704)
Okay, you (and Chiefscountry) have a good point. I didn't think those teams were that bad before drafting those QBs. My mistake. However, let's not use 2-14 then. How about winning 2 out of 25? I'm surprised that's not an NFL record for futility.
Dallas sucked before they took Aikman and sucked with him. Pittsburgh blew balls before they got Bradshaw as well. Colts sucked before and with Manning.

ChiefsCountry 02-10-2009 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5477705)
Well, Belichick and Meyers are friends, and Belichick spent time studying what Meyers is doing down in Florida before this season.
Its Meyer not Meyers.

Mecca 02-10-2009 07:54 PM
Give me Tom Brady, Randy Moss, Wes Welker and a competent line and I'll show you that you can successfully run any offense.

And for the other guy you do know that the best lines in the league are largely built out of the 1st round yes?


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