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Brock 12-21-2009 11:56 PM
Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.

DaneMcCloud 12-21-2009 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6369219)
Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.
Come on, Dude.

Don't you know that the longer you coach in the NFL, the smarter you become?

I mean, just look at Gunther!

DeezNutz 12-21-2009 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6369209)
Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.
4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.

Reerun_KC 12-21-2009 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6369217)
Um, going through a year with Pioli & Haley puts you back at zero.

Or have you not been paying attention?
I think someone here needs to get Clark Hunt on here and ask him what his expectations where? What limitations or parameters if any did He put on the GM and HC for personnel...

I think that would clear up alot of discussions on here where people think they have everything solved and know what the best thing for the franchise is...

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-22-2009 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6369222)
4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.
I couldn't respond to that post. It just hurt my head too much.

Reerun_KC 12-22-2009 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6369222)
4 years? You're staying with Haley, come hell or high water, for 4 years?

If the team doesn't have a winning record in 4 years, Pioli himself will be in serious danger of losing his job, forget the HC.
Not 4... But Maybe 3...

You can go from the depths of hell to superbowl in 3 years.... You should be able to rebuild your franchise in 3 years with FA and the draft...

Brock 12-22-2009 12:02 AM
The rate this team is going, we're going to have a lot of high draft picks on this team in 3 years.

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2009 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6369226)
Not 4... But Maybe 3...

You can go from the depths of hell to superbowl in 3 years.... You should be able to rebuild your franchise in 3 years with FA and the draft...
Free agency will not exist as we know it in 2010.

And Pioli ****ing screwed the pooch in 2009.

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2009 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6369223)
I think someone here needs to get Clark Hunt on here and ask him what his expectations where? What limitations or parameters if any did He put on the GM and HC for personnel...

I think that would clear up alot of discussions on here where people think they have everything solved and know what the best thing for the franchise is...
His expectations were to hire the biggest name out there, hand him keys to the franchise and look the other way.

Reerun_KC 12-22-2009 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6369228)
Free agency will not exist as we know it in 2010.

And Pioli ****ing screwed the pooch in 2009.
Guess it is time to shut it down... Close up the franchise and just quit.... No need to continue!

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Reerun_KC 12-22-2009 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6369230)
His expectations were to hire the biggest name out there, hand him keys to the franchise and look the other way.
Still would like to have Clark clear this up for us...

DaneMcCloud 12-22-2009 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6369234)
Still would like to have Clark clear this up for us...
Good luck

SPATCH 12-22-2009 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 6369219)
Yeah, it's really logical to think that the light is suddenly going to go on for this bunch of dumbasses.
we need a larger sample size than one ****ing season before we start adorning everyone "dumbasses"

Clark/Pioli/Haley deserve a fair shot at proving themselves and I'm telling you right now that one season is not a fair shot... I'll hear nothing different. Good night everyone (except Dane... **** you Dane)

BossChief 12-22-2009 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy (Post 6369209)
Are we the Raiders? Building a program means having a consistant program. Continuity counts in the NFL. I posted before that the most successful coaches stay in place at least 5 years. If this team does not have a winning record in 4 years then I would fire his ass. Haley has coached with some legendary coaches and knows a hell of alot more than anyone on this board. The difference between bad coasches and successful ones is the ability to get good players by drafting effectively and picking the right FA's to pay. That is what Scott was hired for. You have to know what you have first and that's what this season was about.

Going through a HC change after one year puts you back at zero.
Im willing to give him the same amount of time Herm was. 3 years MAX.

By the middle of the third season, you can tell if you have any shot at winning a championship with said coach.

2 is too little, as if Vermeil was fired after two years for KC or Stl, he would have been total fail in both places. If Coughlin was fired after two years in NY, they most likely wouldn't have won the superbowl.

4 is too long IMHO.

Hard line approaches take time to sink into a roster mentality... as Vermeil and Coughin showed for multiple teams, as have many others. Haleys will be no different.

If we dont start to see something start to come together next year, this question should be asked, but this early is very unfair IMHO.

Brock 12-22-2009 12:08 AM
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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 6369236)
we need a larger sample size than one ****ing season before we start adorning everyone "dumbasses"

Clark/Pioli/Haley deserve a fair shot at proving themselves and I'm telling you right now that one season is not a fair shot... I'll hear nothing different. Good night everyone (except Dane... **** you Dane)
You think Holmgren is going to give Mangini another year?


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