That's a fair point. But let's be real about something. McNabb was a pretty good QB, but he's no Aaron Rodgers. I wonder how well Reid would do with Rodgers as his QB. And aside from McNabb, he has not had great talent to work with.

I believe that Holmgren is responsible for the development of Favre, Brunell and Hasselbeck.

you want to argue that anyone can with Aaron Rodgers but the fact is McCarthy had to actually develop him

Rodgers was the guy that fell in the draft because 23 teams had a knock on him that he would bust out of the NFL like similar QBs did in the same college offense, his hands were small, etc.

Rodgers sat behind a hall of fame QB and McCarthy was able to mold him into what he wanted, who nobody gave a shit about because nobody ever thought he could follow in Brett Favre's footsteps. Aaron Rodgers had to win all those Farve lovers in that culture over.

Meanwhile, Andy Reid couldnt win the big one with his NUMBER 2 OVERALL QB HE HAD FOR A DECADE. There was like 5 QBs Reid could have taken and he nailed it between McNabb as he was 1 of 2 QBs even successful from that draft. And Reid still couldnt win it with him with about a 10 year window, and one of the best DC's in the NFL.

I like Reid, but to say McCarthy is worse than Reid is laughable. Reid has always had the better talent in a longer window and couldnt win what McCarthy did. They did everything in Philly for Reid and McNabb short of stealing the Lombardi Trophy and bringing it to Philly.

McNabb was still an inaccurate QB in Philly.

Reid's offense is a passer friendly offense, and you just need to be a decent QB to succeed.

The Eagles went to 4 NFC Championships and a SB on the strength of Jim Johnson's defense.

the last 10 posts that were arguing for Reid was because of "making McNabb look good" so which is it

making the #2 overall pick look good or making the #24 overall pick that fell in the draft look good and win the super bowl?

that was my point why McCarthy is coach above Reid. lol

The whole argument was "list of coaches better than Reid"

Sorter listed them. Someone said McCarthy is not better. They are wrong. I'm arguing why he is.

And then you went on to list some shitty QBs.

Bono LMAO

A 75.4 QB rating is good?

Jeff Garcia had always been a good QB.

Michael Vick was a big wet fart in Philly.

Vick has always been vastly overrated.

He did, however, have his one true good season at QB under Reid, so credit where it is due.

Garcia was 36 and his noodle arm was so bad by the time he got to Philly, he was throwing Tyler Palko long bombs. Michael Vick wasn't a big wet fart in Philly. He had a terrific 2010, a solid enough 2011 (8-8 despite a putrid defense), and for some reason 2012 the entire team went off the rails. His struggles in 2011 were because he was getting knocked around and was supposedly playing with broken ribs.

They had a damn good offense those years too. Their lowest rank in points per game in those season was 11th. They were a pretty well balanced team.

And yet still better than Alex Smith.

Reid is not going to get more out of this guy than Harbaugh did. You are delusional if you believe that.

Yes, enough about the merits of Andy Reid, we need to get back to the task at hand: Alex Smith is a mediocre qb.

What is more?

I think Reid does a fine job of masking deficiencies, while getting the most out of the mediocre abilities of the QBs he coaches.

I think there are coaches who bring out the best with their QBs, while some simply don't get the worst.

Reid is in the latter group.

I think he'll get better numbers from Smith than Harbaugh, but that is simply a function of more attempts.

He'll still get the middle of the pack game manager that Harbaugh got out of him.