Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 13906697)

The conspiracy loons always point out the fact that we get called for a lot more penalties than our opponents, never considering the fact the we might actually commit more. By their logic if the penalties aren't even, then that's hard evidence of bias against us. Never considered is the simplest explanation, that we just happen to commit a lot of penalties.

We're way above the league average in almost every category of penalty, and many of these are pre-snap penalties, or other penalties like hands to the face that are not subjective.

The refs are not making our guys false start. They aren't making people jump offside. They don't force people's hands up into facemasks or get people to grab handfuls of receivers' jerseys.

If there's some massive bias here, show it. Show us all these penalties that are BS against us or getting ignored for our opponents. Rarely do you see that, mostly you just hear that it's impossible that a very disciplined team like the Patriots could have a game where they commit few penalties. No evidence, just the claim that they couldn't have done it. But since this is a massive conspiracy in every game, there should be a ton of specific examples of clearly false flags being thrown.

Of course, some things are missed in every game, whether the Chiefs are playing in that game or not. Some things like holding and PI are somewhat subjective. But we largely do not have an argument against the flags we are getting. Every time they show the replay it seems like the DB has an arm around a guy as he's coming out of his break or he's got a handful of jersey or he's in contact before the ball arrives and isn't playing the ball.

We've got a mediocre offensive line that's holding and getting a lot of false starts because they are undisciplined and not very good. We have a secondary that's getting a lot of holding and DPI because they are undisciplined and not very good. This really isn't hard to figure out.

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 13906764)

Some teams get the benefit of the doubt because of star players. It doesn't mean it's a conspiracy to change games.

I also think some refs would rather eat a flag here and there rather than get yelled at an hour by someone like Belichick. That's one of my problems with Andy. Andy rarely loses his cool. Andy should have freaked out about the false starts, but he doesn't. If the tv shows Andy turning all shades of purple arguing about a call, it somewhat forces the announcers to talk about it and make it an issue. Tomlin will occasionally take one for the team and risk a fine , but Andy never will. If your head coach isn't going take a bullet then **** it don't expect anything to change.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13906748)

Add Tyreek’s BS taunting and Peters taking off his helmet on the field yet no call.

That’s 9 examples that these butt****ing morons are ignoring because we got 1 or 2 calls ourselves.

Sounds fair.

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13906809)

And you're missing the most blatant one that wasn't called. Suh's personal foul against Mahomes.

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13906809)

And you're missing the most blatant one that wasn't called. Suh's personal foul against Mahomes.

Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 13906748)

Add Tyreek’s BS taunting and Peters taking off his helmet on the field yet no call.

That’s 9 examples that these butt****ing morons are ignoring because we got 1 or 2 calls ourselves.

Sounds fair.

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 13906818)

Hill's taunting penalty was the correct call, he directly looked at the guy chasing him and taunted him. I don't like it but it was the correct call.

Agree about Peters taking off his helmet and not getting it called. Like I said they need to call the game consistently, which they don't.

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13906821)

Then Peters should have been called for taunting. He pushed his player off of Mahomes and then climbed on top of him....and then had to be pulled off. Whether he was shit talking or not.....that's a ****ing penalty every day of the week. Not called.

Originally Posted by The Pest (Post 13906821)

Then Peters should have been called for taunting. He pushed his player off of Mahomes and then climbed on top of him....and then had to be pulled off. Whether he was shit talking or not.....that's a ****ing penalty every day of the week. Not called.

Originally Posted by gold_and_red (Post 13906802)

I don't believe refs deliberately steer games towards a planned outcome. It is too easy to spill the beans (after retirement) and bring down the NFL. The real issues are
- Game play is just too fast even for a trained eye to catch every detail, no way I am trusting a group of humans to make split second decisions with any consistency
- Rules are highly subject to interpretation
- Defensive penalties resulting in spot fouls or automatic first downs making it too easy to sustain scoring drives, all it takes is one untimely flag
- Timing of the flag for e.g. start of 3rd quarter vs last two minutes
- Plain incompetence aka Jeff Triplette