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kccrow 03-22-2019 09:59 AM

With the 65th pick, the Arizona Cardinals select Jaylon Ferguson, DE, Louisiana Tech


The Cards finally do something to address their anemic pass rush. Ferguson lacks run-stopping ability but he does one thing really well and that's get pressure.

Mother****erJones 03-22-2019 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174101)
And I just don't see the 'fluid' side of that statement. He's big, for sure. But I watched him pretty closely during the CB drills and I didn't see a guy who's hips turned nearly as well as I'd like.

And during SEC play (who cares about non-con) he would follow up a nice play by being turned around by smaller, quicker WRs. Let's say we lose Fuller and manage to keep Ward and Breeland, I think we're gonna have a hard time with timing offenses at that point because I think both Williams and Ward will struggle with the same kind of player.

And he looked suuuuper grabby. That's something that becomes an even bigger problem at the next level when these guys have spent years learning how to use their feet to break a press (and coaches have spent hours figuring out how to scheme them into space). I think he'll have penalty issues, especially in the near term.

Like I said, I'd have probably taken him anyway with that Rams pick because I also see a decent fallback option if he doesn't develop his technique to deal with some of those issues. But I'm not crushed by having to take Jones instead.

It’s been awhile since I watch his tape, but when I saw him he looked like he moved well. I have to go back to my notes. I didn’t get to the combine drills. I have it all recorded. I understand the “grabby” but KC has some really good coaching that I think can minimize that now.


That said, this is why Veach is moving up. Because he’s not taking a ****ing center at 29 when we have huge needs on defense at all 3 levels

kccrow 03-22-2019 10:03 AM

I like Dre'Mont Jones and feel like he's a value at 63. I feel as though Omenihu is a monster reach at 61 though, but it's very Veach-like based on what I saw from him last year.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14174115)
It’s been awhile since I watch his tape, but when I saw him he looked like he moved well. I have to go back to my notes. I didn’t get to the combine drills. I have it all recorded. I understand the “grabby” but KC has some really good coaching that I think can minimize that now.


That said, this is why Veach is moving up. Because he’s not taking a ****ing center at 29 when we have huge needs on defense at all 3 levels

I'd kill a nun to turn that 49ers 2nd into a mid-2nd this year if the draft fell like this.

If I could've added Bradbury, Walker, Omenihu and Jones from this draft...phew, that would've been sweet.

It would probably end up costing the 3rd rounder, but if I could give up a 3rd and next years 49ers 2nd to get a mid-2nd in this year's draft and a 4th, I'd probably do that. I just don't know that you're pulling that off.

Mother****erJones 03-22-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174119)
I'd kill a nun to turn that 49ers 2nd into a mid-2nd this year if the draft fell like this.

If I could've added Bradbury, Walker, Omenihu and Jones from this draft...phew, that would've been sweet.

It would probably end up costing the 3rd rounder, but if I could give up a 3rd and next years 49ers 2nd to get a mid-2nd in this year's draft and a 4th, I'd probably do that. I just don't know that you're pulling that off.

And my problem still remains in the secondary. Breeland, Fuller and Ward just ain’t going to cut it. Honey Badger needs a good running mate. I like Watts but I’m not banking on that.

So I probably would’ve went Rapp at 29. If the board looks like that, I hope Veach moves back. You could crush this draft in rounds 2-3

htismaqe 03-22-2019 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14174100)
O.city can **** off.

This is a given.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14174125)
And my problem still remains in the secondary. Breeland, Fuller and Ward just ain’t going to cut it. Honey Badger needs a good running mate. I like Watts but I’m not banking on that.

So I probably would’ve went Rapp at 29. If the board looks like that, I hope Veach moves back. You could crush this draft in rounds 2-3

But if I go Rapp at 29, I'm probably still going McCoy at 61. And to be honest, I was gambling a little that Gardner-Johnson would fall to 61. CGJ might be my favorite running mate alongside Mathieu in this draft. He's a true single-high who can move down into the slot if needed. You could swing a true Cover 0 there with him and Mathieu and be in pretty good shape when the situation called for it.

I think the emphasis we've seen on run defense w/ Okafor and trading Ford suggests that we are looking at the DL to do more in the run game rather than relying on box safeties coming up and finishing plays. Especially with Mathieu also being a damn good downhill safety. So with the second safety position I'm looking for a rangy sort of player that I think can play a true CF.

A) I think CGJ would be outstanding in that regard but B) I thought that if I lost him, I don't mind seeing what we have in Lucas and Watts there. Lucas was at his best when he was seeing deep coverage assignments and as he gets a little more experience, I think his raw athleticism will shine through even better.

I think we're in better shape back there than many do. We have a couple of solid complementary coverage safety prospects in Lucas and Watts who I think can get the job done well.

htismaqe 03-22-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174135)
But if I go Rapp at 29, I'm probably still going McCoy at 61. And to be honest, I was gambling a little that Gardner-Johnson would fall to 61. CGJ might be my favorite running mate alongside Mathieu in this draft. He's a true single-high who can move down into the slot if needed. You could swing a true Cover 0 there with him and Mathieu and be in pretty good shape when the situation called for it.

I think the emphasis we've seen on run defense w/ Okafor and trading Ford suggests that we are looking at the DL to do more in the run game rather than relying on box safeties coming up and finishing plays. Especially with Mathieu also being a damn good downhill safety. So with the second safety position I'm looking for a rangy sort of player that I think can play a true CF.

A) I think CGJ would be outstanding in that regard but B) I thought that if I lost him, I don't mind seeing what we have in Lucas and Watts there. Lucas was at his best when he was seeing deep coverage assignments and as he gets a little more experience, I think his raw athleticism will shine through even better.

I think we're in better shape back there than many do. We have a couple of solid complementary coverage safety prospects in Lucas and Watts who I think can get the job done well.

Right now, they don't have enough CB's on the roster to actually play a game. That being said, I don't really have a problem with what you've done. They've got Mahomes, everything else is gravy.

Mother****erJones 03-22-2019 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 14174135)
But if I go Rapp at 29, I'm probably still going McCoy at 61. And to be honest, I was gambling a little that Gardner-Johnson would fall to 61. CGJ might be my favorite running mate alongside Mathieu in this draft. He's a true single-high who can move down into the slot if needed. You could swing a true Cover 0 there with him and Mathieu and be in pretty good shape when the situation called for it.

I think the emphasis we've seen on run defense w/ Okafor and trading Ford suggests that we are looking at the DL to do more in the run game rather than relying on box safeties coming up and finishing plays. Especially with Mathieu also being a damn good downhill safety. So with the second safety position I'm looking for a rangy sort of player that I think can play a true CF.

A) I think CGJ would be outstanding in that regard but B) I thought that if I lost him, I don't mind seeing what we have in Lucas and Watts there. Lucas was at his best when he was seeing deep coverage assignments and as he gets a little more experience, I think his raw athleticism will shine through even better.

I think we're in better shape back there than many do. We have a couple of solid complementary coverage safety prospects in Lucas and Watts who I think can get the job done well.

Big fan of CGJ. He showed a ton of improvement from 2017-2018. I’d be more than happy with him at 29 also because these guys aren’t falling to 61. I just don’t want the scrap heap at corner and safety, so passing on them at 29 leads to that at 61 and 63.

Mother****erJones 03-22-2019 10:37 AM

I also fee Omenihu and Jones are both inside guys. Not a fan of Omenihu at edge/end. He’s more explosive inside.

I’d just feel much better with a Rapp, Jones and someone else.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14174169)
Big fan of CGJ. He showed a ton of improvement from 2017-2018. I’d be more than happy with him at 29 also because these guys aren’t falling to 61. I just don’t want the scrap heap at corner and safety, so passing on them at 29 leads to that at 61 and 63.

It's possible, but unlikely, that the safeties fly off the board like they have in this draft.

We've all had our noses so buried in our books looking at Defense for this team that we've built up some guys, especially at safety, that are probably inflated a bit in our world.

Rapp may be one of those guys, especially if you're looking at him as a 1st rounder. Gardner-Johnson, OTOH, I think was undervalued because I think some team out there will love him as a single-high type who I think really could sneak into the 1st.

It will just be awfully interesting to see how this goes. The amount of safeties flying around in FA could cut either direction. It could either convince teams that they've already committed enough organizational resources to the position to let it slide OR it could convince them that the position is getting expensive enough that they should target it more heavily in the draft.

I'm really intrigued how NFL front offices are going to view safety in this draft. It's an open question, IMO.

chiefscafan 03-22-2019 10:41 AM

The Pittsburgh Steelers select Tre Lamar, ILB, Clemson

The Steelers have never truly recovered from the Ryan Shazier injury. Tre Lamsr is exciting dynamic LB who has major room for growth and can possibly become the new leader of the new Steel Curiain. Excited that he was available this late.

The Franchise 03-22-2019 10:42 AM

Would you have taken Adderely over Bradbury if he was there at 29?

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 14174179)
I also fee Omenihu and Jones are both inside guys. Not a fan of Omenihu at edge/end. He’s more explosive inside.

I’d just feel much better with a Rapp, Jones and someone else.

Worst case scenario is that Omenihu is an excellent long-term SDE for us.

His punch/hands are top-notch. He may never have the bend to be a true LEO as we have come to know them, a guy that can just lean around the tackle to finish the play. But even if that doesn't happen, you put him on that strong side and let him win with technique and I think he's a stud.

Part of my fondness for Omenihu comes from my general disdain for Speaks and distrust of K-Pass.

DJ's left nut 03-22-2019 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 14174187)
Would you have taken Adderely over Bradbury if he was there at 29?

Yes.

Because of the versatility and what he could free up Spags to do with Mathieu. If you're arguing for Rapp, that's how you're doing it (I just like Adderly more).

You could have two almost completely interchangeable safeties who could go into the box or back into coverage on any given snap. Hell, they could slip into short zones or even the slot and free up some interesting blitz possibilities. It really makes it tough to guess how to deploy route combinations or even protections when you don't know who's gonna be going up/back, releasing or running.

I think that's probably what Crow envisions with Thornhill; I simply think Adderly plays with a litte more edge and a brings a little better skill in space. And I think that's what the Rapp fans are envisioning as well, but I don't think Rapp has the agility/fluidity to be a real asset in single-high. If I'm comparing Thornhill to Addrerly I'm comparing Rapp to Abrams.

I think Adderly can be the second swiss army knife back there that opens up a lot of possibilities.


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