They should have been. With the talent they have and I include Baker in that. They're just like the Cowboys, lots of talent s*** coaching. It's cool you don't have to agree but this is one of those times when history will prove me right.

Painted into a corner? Uh, nah.

Just say anything else. Don't be a dumbass.

LMAO

You sound just like everybody on CP that tried to tell me Carr would be really good. You’re not the only person that’s ever been right about a QB despite what you think.

I’ll be waiting for the bump because I’m even more certain that you are wrong. Baker will never be anything more than an average QB at best. He’ll never be anywhere close to top 5. I’d bet my life on it.

As usual he put his foot in his mouth. I agree, he shouldn't have said anything. But obj is the type of drama queen who can blow that up into baker being a terrible teammate. It's lose lose. Again, the biggest culprit was Dorsey pairing an explosive locker room cancer like obj with totally inexperienced coaches and leaders.

It was Hog Farmer. And mother****er HAD to be trolling. He kept going until he was out of the Canadian league ROFL. A lot like that ****ing jumping jack thing he did in the fitness thread.

Nobody commits harder to a troll than Hog.

I don't know if Mayfield is any more or less talented than any other starting QB out there but what I do know is the guy has absolutely no idea how to be a professional. I don't know that any coach would be able to deal with all the ping pong balls bouncing around in his head.

If I had to put money on it, he's going to end up like Jeff George. Probably piddle around on a few teams at 9-7, 10-6 at best. Sneak into the playoffs a time or two. Then torpedo his own career because he's an asswipe.

FYP

Jeff George 2.0

Don't forget the Rams. And the Jags defense.

Lol. What?

Baker Mayfield is an epic douche. He's WAY more of a douche than 99% of this board.

Chris, I love ya, but if you're an Oklahoma fan (I don't know if you are or not) you gotta just admit it, dude. You're really letting your love for one of your players blind you to the truth. No, don't even try spinning it as, "Well, yeah, he's hatable to most of the NFL and their fans, but I'll tell you what, I guarantee if you were an NFL player there's no guy you'd want more in your foxhole than Baker Mayfield..."

Yeah there is. You can be fiercely competitive and protective of your teammates and also not be a flaming douche to the outside world. We happen to have a QB like that. Maybe you've heard of him. It IS possible to do that.

Baker's a ****ing turd.

I'm not an Oklahoma fan. As a matter of fact, I hate the whole damned state after being stationed there in the army. It's the armpit of America.

He's not Mahomes, in any way.

Mahomes was groomed for this his whole life. He knows exactly what to say and what's appropriate.

Baker's different, and I kind of like his rough edges. I kind of like that he just says what's on his mind. Sometimes that'll get you in trouble.

It's all good, y'all can think what you want, I'm not going to change your minds and you're not going to change mine.

If he flames out, I'll admit I was wrong.

I don't think he will.

I'm an OU fan and knew Baker wouldn't amount to shit. The ouck was puzzling as hell.

Mayfield has more Progressive commercials than he does wins

The Browns drafted a potentially very good young QB, they drafted and signed good players on both sides of the ball, and then added a superstar WR in OBJ.

But the Browns gotta Browns, and they did the most Browns thing ever by hiring a HC who had never even spent an entire season as a coordinator. Kitchens was the absolute worst choice, and that's exactly why the Browns hired him. Instead of making a football decision, a decision that took the big picture of what they were trying to build into consideration, they somehow let themselves be bullied by a rookie QB, and chose a HC that they thought would make him happy.

I am convinced that Paul Brown must have made a deal with the devil, somehow dooming all professional football teams from Ohio. But the city of Cleveland kinda deserves it. They like to think they have great fans, but those great fans couldn't get a vote passed for a new stadium. The Browns played in the worst stadium in the NFL, the Mistake by the Lake, and they basically forced their team to move.

Then their former team goes on to win a couple of Super Bowls in a new city. What a kick in the nuts. If the fans had worked to get the new stadium approved, those Championships would belong to Cleveland. Instead, they only approve a new stadium after they force their beloved team out of the city.

If they don't fire Kitchens after this season, they deserve to keep losing. But, this is also the Browns we are talking about, and they didn't fire Hue Jackson when his record was something like 1-31.



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Chris coming off douchier than Baker is this thread.

Is that even possible?!?!?!