Spiller turning into a weapon seems so unlikely based on his previous NFL experience that I am almost willing to bet it happens.

He's about to beat this league down like his pregnant girlfriend.

I'm stoked. I might have to buy a jersey.

His third year was fairly good but after that he fell off a cliff

He has 3 seasons that he played all 16 games 3 seasons he missed only 1 game and like five seasons that he missed 5 or more games. Last year he missed partial and a full game do to concussion like symptoms from the Indy Colts game.

2015 he played a full season. The problem is all quarterbacks are subject to injury so it really doesn't matter the odds of him getting hurt at some point are up there so our backup must be prepared and Mahomes very well could be that guy.

Jaye Howard, DJ, Allen Bailey, Mauga/JML were all starters who were out because of injury. That's 4/7 front 7 players out and the 5th player (Justin Houston) clearly not anywhere near healthy as normal.

The defense holding an elite offense out of the end zone and keeping the game in reach until the end was a fantastic job for what we had.

It is the QB's job to score points and carry the team when the game is close and the season is on the line.

:clap:

A little louder for the morons in the back who can't seem to figure this out..

Spiller hasn't been healthy for a full 16 game season since 2012. He played 15 games in 2013. That's 4 full seasons ago.

He had 113 yards in 2015 and 36 yards in 2016. Expecting him to stay healthy is a huge risk, especially at age 30.

Beside all of that, he has 12 career rushing TD's and hasn't scored a TD since 2013 when he scored all of 2.

Even a good run defense could allow a ton of rushing yards to the Steelers last year. We are talking about arguably the top RB in the game and a top 5 elite Oline.

The Chiefs D did more than hold its own in that playoff game. By allowing all of 16 points and neutralizing Big Ben, no matter how many yards on the ground they allowed, they exceeded the expectations as far as I'm concerned.

Alex Smith was his usual conservative and clearly limited QB and that was the difference in the end.

This x 100.

What's the last time "the savior" Smith has been healthy for season. And how many times of his 12 years has he completed a full season?

He's a huge reliability and risk at the most important position in today's NFL...

With out question... You're a pillow bitting reerun if you debate otherwise...

Spiller is a RB.

Smith is a QB.

You know this, right?

Oh man. That's cool...

I watched the game a couple of times on the coaches' film and I can say that Alex left a ton of plays on the field that night. Not just missing Hill wide open but numerous intermediate routes that were wide open. It was a really really poor performance by Alex. Despite the Steelers controlling the clock because of our run D, I still believe Alex was the main reason we lost.

You, like many here, are buying into the moronic media-driven suggestion that football is anything but a TEAM game.

Hi slurpy!

Bell can run 178 yards all he wants to as our D is holding his team to a mere 18 points.

Yet you're here for ALEX ONLY

Jesus.

So what? Take that somewhere else.

I meant Witzmann.

We're only kind enough of screwed at WR unless Hill goes down, then yes we would be.

Bray in my opinion is a fair 3rd option.

You guys need a nice little Smith/Reek article to regroup?

http://www.chiefs.com/news/article-2...c-8d79d697fc61

Why don't you try out to be the Chiefs QB? I mean, if the job were given to you, no one could ever rationally become pissed off at you for underperforming because football is a TEAM game...so if the team loses because you are incapable of throwing TD's, it isn't your fault...it's the TEAM's fault!!! Do it, Sandy!!!!

Sandy Cheeks: QBOTF

Is this still the training camp thread?

Really Hill with a baby and nobody on here cracked a joke about him punching the baby..disappointed in everyone of you

Apparently not.
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Really wish they would.

This has turned into a full time job for you hasn't it ?!?!

This shit is getting old. **** !!!

I'm definitely going plan things out better next year but I'm wanting to go annually to TC. I'd like to stay a few days during the week and after practice do some river fishing. If I can find a spot on the Kansas side I won't need a Mo license.


Next year will be better with Patrick Mahomes II getting first team & majority of the reps. So it's going be worth it even more so.

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Nagy said it takes up to 3 years to learn the offense...Mahomes has practiced for one week...

I'm excited about Mahomes potential...but jeez. Do you really think Reid is throwing the whole playbook at him?...more like 1/20th at best.

People need to scale back a bit...he's not going to be ready for a while. He couldn't even run a huddle a few weeks ago... There is more complexity/nuances to this than just arm talent...

I have no reason to scale it back he was impressive in practice yesterday and no reason to think he isn't catching on. He can ramble out plays and and building confidence. He has all the confidence in the world.

Yes he has a lot to work on but it's a commitment every year to learn and get better.

He is going play or he will not play that's how this season is going go nobody knows but I believe he will be ready if it just so happens this year.

Nagy also said he is unbreakable the Chiefs have not made him break he is solid as a rock he can handle it.

He might be able to fill in for Smith, for a game, at some point because of injury...later in the year.

If he were to start...#1 he would have an extremely limited grasp of Andy's WCO. #2 After a start or two, DC's would be able take away what he's doing...due to these limitations/tendencies. It would handicap what Reid does when creating game plans.

This isnt college where he can just throw bombs all game and live or die by it...it's too advanced, schematically, for that and the players/coordinators are too good. I think I read that he struggled against zone coverage...

He's not ready...both technically nor in experience. He's 21 years old. Watching Smith for a year is about as good of a mentor as he could ask for...there are things he needs to still learn at this level. There is a game inside the game...

Good God people I am as pumped about Mahomes as anyone but he isn't the best choice right now.

Let the kid sit for a year FFS.

A voice of reason.

This

Then Alex needs to stay healthy and do his job with the offense so we don't have to worry about it, but nobody can guarantee that won't happen.

Smith to the Superbowl!

I didn't say he is the best choice right now. Alex Smith is the starter and Mahomes is working on being his backup and that is a big possibility right now so as backup he has to be ready to go in a game.



What ever get a God damn first round quarterback that is kicking ass in camp but **** me to get excited for it.

That's not how this shit works or how Reid teaches this stuff to players. He throws the entire playbook at them. Doesn't matter who it is. Smith, Bray, Daniel, Murray... all the same. They have to learn it. It's the FAMILIARITY and instant command that takes years to learn.

As unrealistic as it sounds Smith has a better shot then Mahomes does. Unless you plan to defy all of NFL history.

People get so defensive when you mess with their 47 years of failure... Mahomes threatens their love of playoff gaffes. So expect push back when you talk about playoff success vs meaningless regular season games...

Remember, Brady was done at Camarohead...

Yeah it's very unrealistic... Smith has no shot regardless of how loaded the team is. He fails at the basics of throws and reads. See the many Pittsburg game gifs floating around. He isn't going to change into a NFL QB overnight.

That's funny...

You are being ridiculous.

Mahomes looks like he will be really really good at some point but don't push the issue. Week 1 Smith will be the best option. If that changes later in the year then so be it.

Smith is going to play this season to keep his job or loose it one way or another. Not sure why that's not good enough for you guys.

Are wins a QB stat now?

according to actual performance statistics Mahomes would have to be better than the 21st best QB in the league to be a better option then smith.

If my group of 22 people at work did over 2000 functional audits, but I only contributed 18 of them, do i still get credit for 2000 functional audits at work?

You, Sandy, and TigerUpper**** will only use the team bullshit when it suits you.

Horseshit...Andy is not throwing a telephone sized playbook at Mahomes, one week into camp. There is nothing game-plan specific at this point...they are still just trying to get him to grasp the terminology and be able to repeat it. Think about trying to do that with 80,000 people screaming, you cant hear shit and only have 40 seconds to break huddle and make sight adjustments....and still dont have a strong grasp of the plays.

I really think people, here, have no idea how hard being a professional QB is. It takes nearly every QB a season or two to acclimate to the learning curve...let alone one that didn't run a huddle or take snaps from center.

It can ruin a rookie..as along with just the technical aspects of it...you also have media tearing you apart if you make a mistake.

Because 4 years of Alex Smith is 5 years too many.

And, no, the 5 wasn't a typo.

Doesn't matter one way or another. It's a transition year. Smith isn't a leader in January....

This is a year basically to get Mahomes ready for '18....

Daniel Jeremiah says Smitty will probably be here for 2 or more seasons and want Mahomes to sit

This man is preaching the truth.

I have no expectations for a Super Bowl this year no matter who the quarterback is. I want Mahomes to be as ready as possible for the chance he gets to play this year and nobody on Chiefs Planet can tell me he absolutely won't play.


So I have good reason to be excited for the possibility Patrick kicks ass enough to get on the playing field this year because I've all ready seen glimps of his potential in practice and can't see his body of work unfold in Preseaon taking over the backup job that Tyler Bray is pretending to have.

You guys want Tyler Bray to play this year if Alex goes down GOOD ****ING GOD HELP US.

Whoever Daniel Jeremiah is can **** himself. Stop wasting talent on Smith.

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Mic @MicJohnson
Replying to @Jacobs71
Just heard this... Incredible

Tom Brady has only lost 1 home game against an afc opponent in the last ten years

Former scout of Andy Reid in Philly and an NFL Insider

How many quarterbacks throw 65 times a game every week in college?

No, dipshit. You're a ****ing idiot.

Mahomes gets the ENTIRE playbook. Every rookie does. As soon as they walk into the Arrowhead facility.

They're told to study it and learn it.

They don't get pages at a time. They don't go to school and grade each play.

Mahomes has probably read and learned (maybe not memorized, but has studied) EVERY PLAY in that damn book.

I'm not dismissing shit about the difficulty of being a starting QB. If anything, you're treating Mahomes and other new QBs/players like they're shit chucking apes. If Mahomes were FORCED to start, yes, the number of plays and options he'd be running would be reduced to the stuff he's handling the best. But to say he's only been fed and taken through 1/20th of the material through an entire offseason?

You're the moron who doesn't know dickshit about being an NFL QB, asshole. Not me.

Is this the training camp thread? Mods, it seems to me you have a couple of choices: lock this piece of shit thread and start a different thread for each day of camp, or start thread banning the pile of idiots that cannot stay on topic.

I'm actually most anxious to see the timing between the young receivers and Smith in the preseason games. I'm looking forward to the future with Mahomes, but we all know Smith is the starter for this season. With all of the speed the Chiefs have on offense, I think they have the chance to be more explosive this season.

Yep this is true. Doesn't matter if you're the first or third stringer you get the entire playbook your offense or defense runs and you have to study it. Whether they have thrown every single play at Mahomes in Training Camp probably not

Funny. As I want to hear all about our players and rookies.... But I don't want to hear a ****ng about Smith or his timing, or basically anything else about him. Only about the impact and future of said rookies and players.

Training camp thread is for what happens in camp and the storylines relating to camp and yes that includes Smitty and Mahomes

Thanks got clarification

and pointed at...

like an ape with no tail...

or a grape with no seed...

oh, wait...

Not cheaters at all.

You're not even worth arguing with about this...Nagy, his ****ing coach, said it take at least 3 years to learn it...but, you know, since you know more than his actual coach....dildo-hump.

Everyone knows Alex Smith is the starter for the season the debate is the training camp battle between Patrick Mahomes II and Tyler Bray and actually there shouldn't be a debate to who is going to win the backup spot. This is relevant to Training Camp how could it not be? The argument is if Mahomes is going be ready or not to play and everyone wants him to sit. Well that's fine but he is proving it in Training Camp by kicking ass and making plays. Tyler Bray not so much. So if Patrick is the backup there is a chance he plays. There is nothing in this post that is derailing the thread. It is on topic. Training Camp battles are underway and the biggest of them all is for the job of backing up Alex Smith.

Cease with logic; you're wasting your breath. In the fantasy world created by the fans of Short-Chuck Cuck, he gets 3 more tries to waste the seasons of his teammates...

...I mean, "lead his team to a Super Bowl(!)" LMAO

I agree with the RealSNR

Everyone is gonna have to eat their words when Smitty takes us to the super bowl

If he does, it won't be because of Smith.

- Mahomers

Learning a playbook doesn't mean, "Okay. Page one. Play one. Spider 2y Banana Buttsex Cow Jackoff Left. Now I practice this until it's completely in my bones. K. Good. Next one...."

ALL of it comes gradually at once. Mahomes knows the entire playbook. He'll know it BETTER next year. And the year after that he'll know it even BETTER, all until he's "proficient" in the eyes of Reid.

This is exactly how Reid has described this shit for years, going all the way back to when we traded for Alex Smith.

Have you ever played football? High school? College? It's pretty common to learn stuff this way.

This

So Mahomes understands the telephone-sized playbook by reading it once...knows exactly what the protections/audibles should be and which X,Y,Z WR alters his route depending on the mixed-coverages a professional DC will throw at him..and how they may disguise them. Gotcha...

You guys are a piece of work...but if it makes you feel better to pretend on a football site..have at it. This is just too ****ing dumb to even debate it further...

You're right. There aren't very many off topic posts at all. :rolleyes: all of the above posts are from the last page.

It might take Mahomes more than 3 years to really feel 100% comfortable with the playbook. And that doesn't even include the speed of the game, nuances of playing in the NFL. He'll be playing long before that though. I don't think you have to worry about that. They didn't draft him to sit for 3 years.

The conversation about it might become insufferable though. I'm not too worried. We're pretty lucky to be in the position we are with Reid. For all of his flaws, he's good at developing players, and he has job security. He's not in a position where he's going to do something stupid with Mahomes for the sake of his job.

Alex Smith played before he had 3 years in the system. Nick Foles played before he had 3 years in the system. Mike Vick played before he had 3 years in the system. Kevin Kolb played before he had 3 years in the system. Donovan Mcnabb played before he had 3 years in the system. Doug Pedersen played before he had 3 years in the system.....

Do you see a running theme here?

It may take 3 years to "master" the entire playbook. But that doesn't exclude anybody from being ready to play.

This

Don't ruin the kid...

Patience is a virtue

Your reading comprehension of SNR's post is atrocious. He didn't say he understands all the nuances of the plays in the playbook or how to make all the reads against different defenses. He explained his position really well.

If he can make plays necessary to win in the playoffs then I'd be down for Alex Smith winning us a Super Bowl. I just want to see him do his part and not take all the credit from the defense and special teams.

I saw him make some nice throws deep in practice so I know he can do it. He just needs to do it in games that would make the difference. I've got a mind to make judgment as I see it when it happens.

I have more faith in Patrick Mahomes II even if it takes us several years but we will get there with him and win than I do with Alex Smith. I don't see it happening but I like to be proved wrong if it's in the Glory of the Chiefs I'm all for it.

I just don't like Alex Smith holding us back anymore than he has. I see he can throw to Tyreek that is going be his bread and butter if he is going help this offense be up to standards that we deserve to see.

It's on Alex Smith not Patrick Mahomes II to take us to the Super Bowl this year. So lets see it happen.

DJ and Tamba and Dustin those guys deserve to go to a Super Bowl. This maybe their last chance.

I don't think anyone's arguing that he could be productive; I think the argument lies within whether or not rushing him could hamper his long term potential growth...