Well considering both of our T’s are over 30 and coming off serious injuries, teams will still be expecting us to take a T early anyways.

We draft 31. Not fooling anyone. Has no impact on F/A tackle signings either.

GM'S do this all the time - even when its clearly obvious what they are doing.

If Veach listed LB along with DL and OL, I’m going to assume Zaven Collins is in play should he make it to 31.

After what happened with Breeland Speaks, Veach looks at metrics/ SPARQ heroes more often on Defense

They need a SLB and someone to take over the Mike next year if they get rid of Hitchens.

You do understand that the draft continues beyond 31, no?

Please God let this be true

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Chiefs GM Brett Veach: O-line will include 'blending' veterans with new talent in 2021


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Pretty much everything is in play at 31.

I wouldn't put too much stock in stuff that's said before free agency even starts.

Another guy who might fit the profile for Veach at pass-rusher if we go DL is Jayson Oweh from Penn State.

6'5'' 260 Lbs

Maybe starts as a situational pass-rusher.

I’m talking realistically.

It’s not “putting too much stock” into what he’s saying as much as confirming my belief that he’s a realistic possibility.

If Collins is sitting there at 31, there’s a very good chance he’s BPA. I just had my doubts that they would take a LB there. Now I’m at least thinking they wouldn’t be totally against it.

Not really. He said multiple times they HOPEfor them to be back by camp...not they expect them.

I know it’s semantics, but I think that’s an important distinction.
Seems Veach agrees with me...me n Veach against the world.

Just me n my Veach

He also talked about OT's and CB's, in general.

Nothing he said translates to any one individual player, at all.

ROFL

You really think that secrets need to be kept for top flight players beyond the first?

This whole idea of the NFL draft being so secretive is a joke.

We were in 2 LB (or less) sets well over 60% of the time and 1 lb on the field about a quarter of the time.

I’ve also heard Hitchens could be a June 1st cut.

Veach also indicated that the dates were given to him as the expected return by the medical staff.

So it sounded stronger than hope to me.

[QUOTE=BossChief;15568187]We were in 2 LB (or less) sets well over 60% of the time and 1 lb on the field about a quarter of the time.[/quote[

I'm fully aware of that. I've been saying it for months when people go on incessantly about drafting another LB.

We'll see. I highly doubt it.

There is no hope. He's lying.

Why would Spags cut the guy who he trusts with relaying the play call?

Because it's Madden. We're just going to replace everybody in the draft. It's foolproof.

And I don’t disagree with taking a LB like Collins at 31 if he’s BPA. He can start at SLB in the base set and be depth in his first year in the nickel sets.

I acknowledged that in my original post.

And I never said it does.

All I'm saying is that nothing he said today suggest Collins is on the table.

IF he's not just engaging in coach/GM speak, which he likely is, it suggests a LB might be on the table.

I get what you're saying about it being a possibility but them taking Collins was a possibility BEFORE today. Nothing he said changes Collins' status at all.

Ironically, I think you’re reading way too much into my comment.

I’m not saying anything like that.

I feel like we attack the OL/DL in the draft and then sign a guy like Tyrell Williams to be our second WR option and someone like KJ Wright to replace Wilson

I'd be perfectly fine with that.

This is what you said:

"I just had my doubts that they would take a LB there. Now I’m at least thinking they wouldn’t be totally against it."

If LB was on the table today, it was on the table yesterday. Nothing changed today. That's all I'm saying.

You shouldn't have had doubts about them taking a LB. I see why his public statements convinced you and that's great but nothing changed in Veach's thought process.

JFC you’ve been a little touchy lately about LB’s dude LMAO

I obviously thought Collins was a possibility before today, but as I said “I had my doubts” that they’d take one at 31 given other needs and positional value.

Between the updates on Fisher/Schwartz and him listing LB as a need or something they’re looking for, it just confirmed that it’s in play for me.

That’s all I’m saying.

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Do you know something I don't know?!

;)

Not touchy at all. Just pointing out that you really shouldn't have any doubts when it comes to this front office.

All today was was a teaser. They've probably been thinking about LB candidates since the Super Bowl ended, if not before.

I'm glad you got your confirmation though. ;)

That’s not the kind of doubt I’m referring to.

I have full confidence in this front office regardless of this.

But given positional value, investing a 2nd last year, and other needs (especially OT), I wasn’t sure if it was a realistic possibility at 31.

I don’t put that much stock into what Veach said, but for now I’m going to assume that Collins is a legitimate possibility like I already was (despite my doubts).

Fair enough.

Veach has been very straight forward in these pressers in the past about what they’re looking for in the draft and FA. Go back and watch these pressers from the last 2 offseasons.

If he says they’re going to go heavy on the lines and LB, you should take that at face value.

The kid from hams kinda reminds me of WGJ in some ways.

There’s a pretty long list of dudes Id take over Collins at 32:

WR - Bateman, Marshall, Toney
DE - Rousseau, Paye, maybe Phillips
OT - Jenkins, Mayfield, Cosmi

I think they’ll be able to find a player who can play a starting role right away at that draft slot, who is just as good as Collins at what they do.

If they have a WR, DE or OL available who is graded similarly to Collins, I think it makes sense to spend it on a positional of higher positional value that also has more immediate impact.

He said the draft is deep at OL and LB. You should probably go read the transcript.

Another interesting thing he said was there will likely be a bunch of unexpected cuts coming up that wouldn’t happen in most years. Expanded talking about the second wave of free agency and how it won’t be common. How lots of teams won’t have room to sign guys and there will be good players on the market. Linked “playing with Pat, Andy and the rest” as what he feels will lead a few of those free agents to KC.

He’s a tuned in straight shooter and he kinda had a level of confidence in that observation that’s kinda exciting.

Because that position needs an upgrade.

The only LB currently on the Chiefs that will be here after this year is WGJ. Everyone else will be new.

Cutting Hitchens as a June 1st designation clears 6.5m this year and he can be easily be replaced for probably half that this offseason due to the uniqueness.

If he stays, he will need to take a pay cut.

No. That’s not what he said. If your going to be snarky, at least get it right...

He said OL, WR and CB are the spots that are deep in this draft. CB through the 4th round. He even says earlier in the interview other positions aren’t as deep...indicating those may need addressed earlier. Pretty much exactly what I said in our conversation about drafting a LB early a week or 2 ago. I listed 3 or 4 of the top linebackers I think will be considered in our first 2 picks.

At 24:40 in the video, he says the 3 spots they are looking to upgrade are OL, DL and LB.

“This can go in a lot of different directions based on FA, but the offseason blueprint is to upgrade the offensive and defensive lines and the linebacker position. That doesn’t mean you can’t upgrade elsewhere, but that’s the offseason blueprint.”

He obviously wants a DL that can get pressure without as much blitzing, 2 3 down linebackers for the middle of the defense and he says he’s happy with the secondary shortly after.

Just me and my Veach.

I mean, if a position isn't deep in this draft, that doesn't mean - to me - to make sure you get a player from that position early.

That's the thought process that led to them trading up for and taking Speaks.

This is what he said, as I indicated in paraphrase.

100% pure speculation. Nothing more.

Upgrade does not mean draft, as he DIRECTLY mentions in the next quote:

“This can go in a lot of different directions based on FA, but the offseason blueprint is to upgrade the offensive and defensive lines and the linebacker position. That doesn’t mean you can’t upgrade elsewhere, but that’s the offseason blueprint.”

Boss is a GM in his other life. He's got a direct line to Veach, you know.

The hell are you so butthurt for? All Boss did was point out, accurately, that Veach seems to have put a priority on OL, DL, and LB this off season based on what he said.

Except that he didn't say anything about priority. He talked about depth of the draft.

Boss connecting dots is nothing more than Boss connecting dots.

“This can go in a lot of different directions based on FA, but the offseason blueprint is to upgrade the offensive and defensive lines and the linebacker position. That doesn’t mean you can’t upgrade elsewhere, but that’s the offseason blueprint.”

Thats a pretty clear and concise statement by Veach.

And as for the "butthurt", it isn't coming from me.

It's coming from the people having a ****ing fit of hysteria over a lopsided Super Bowl loss.

From a fanbase that was wondering, many of us after 30 years or more, if we'd ever see the Chiefs in the Super Bowl AT ALL, let alone a year after WINNING ONE.

It's all about perspective.

It's like what happened in the Super Bowl has returned people to 2012 or something. It's pretty ****ing ridiculous if you ask me.

This team WILL address the offensive line. They're probably not going to draft 3 or 4 guys like some people want, nor are they going to replace both starting tackles in one offseason, like other people want, but they sure as shit aren't going to do nothing.

People need to get over it and let the process play out. This team is going to be a perennial contender and people are handwringing like they might not make the ****ing playoffs if they don't throw everything they have at the offensive line.

Did you miss the part about Free Agency, which Boss even mentioned explicitly in his quote but conveniently ignored in his analysis?

I doubt they would cut Hitchens, who handles all of the defensive calls, and go with two inexperienced players at LB.

Gay was always a bit of a project; athletic freak but raw. Now you want to add a rookie and roll with that? I seriously doubt it.

Do we need to get better at LB? Well, sure. But right now Hitchens is important.

DE is a bigger need, in my opinion, and will need to be addressed early if you're looking for year one impact.

Yep.

This team (and head coach going even further back) has a history of slow-rolling rookies at certain positions. There are certain things just aren't going to realistically happen.

So he speculated on 3 or 4 of the LBs the Chiefs may look at early in the draft? I really dont see this egregious wrong he's apparently commiting here. Just speculation based on what Veach said.

Well, I don't view it as "egregious" so there's that.

It's BossChief. He likes sometimes to pretend he knows more than the rest of us. So he gets some ribbing for that and even though this time it's me, it's not often me.

When he says things like "Just me and my Veach" that invites criticism...and laughter. :D

Also, I don't have a beef with Boss either. He and I are actually good and we've had quite a few private chats.

I'm totally with him on the Corey Linsley train. I think that would be the best move of the offseason by far (considering we can't afford Williams, who Boss wanted as well).

I like Hitchens alot. They need to have Gay take over and maybe grab another LB somewhere. If one of the top one in the first falls to 31 that they think can be a 3 down dude, go for it.

Otherwise, they need investments at DE and on the OL.

I think we need to look at a LB in the mid rounds if an athletic one with size is there because Neimann is a big liability unless it’s 3rd and long.

As for FA, Veach is just guessing. Nobody can know for sure how the cards will fall but I do think there will be opportunity in that 2nd wave a FA.

Linsley probably isn’t happening. That guy will probably be one of the first FA’s signed and I bet he’ll get north of $13 million AAV

Many pundits have suggested Reiter will get $10M AAV or more. Maybe the Chiefs are ready to play in that market to get an upgrade?

Jamin Davis.

See I don’t get the love for Linsley? I think it’s too much of a focus on the Super Bowl, which is ironic bc Reiter really wasn’t that bad.

Speaking of, Reiter has been serviceable. He’s most certainly not a big problem like Wylie. If we can get him back at a fair deal I’d say do it. If not? Who cares? This draft is very good at C. We could definitely get a quality C in rd 2.

IMO if we’re going to be spending big money it needs to be for a pass rusher. That was a big problem last year and I don’t see it getting any better without another force opposite of Clark.

And yeah if we draft a DE rd 1 that will be fine, but I think that’s the underlying problem. But hey I’m still of the opinion that LT is on the table in round 1. The value at that position looks to be as good as any draft I’ve ever seen.

I honestly don't see them going into the season with a rookie starting on the offensive line. They could take a tackle but I imagine he'd be a backup.

As for center, Reiter was adequate, sure. Linsley is a clear upgrade though, and if the price differential is $3M AAV on $10M plus, I'm taking Linsley without hesitation. It's all about market price.

Now if Reiter wants to come back at say $6M AAV, then that's a completely different discussion. And as with OT, I don't see them starting the season with a rookie starting at center.

Hope everyone doesn’t jump off the cliff when they bring back Wylie.

He’s right though. Wylie is fine at G, you just don’t want him to EVER play T again.

He's "fine" at guard. I don't think he's necessarily good, but with a billion dollar QB and weapons and such, people need to get accustomed to having to make due somewhere.

G seems to be where this front office wants to do that at

Wylie is always the one getting his ass beat no matter where he plays. I see it at least twice every game I watch.

It’s bizarre that people don’t see that

No GM is perfect.

Nobody is saying he’s an All-Pro at G or even good, but he’s serviceable and if he’s your worst starter on the OL (at G), you’re doing alright.

To be clear, I don’t think Wylie should even be a starter. Ideally, he’s your first G off the bench.

I think Rankin is a better fit at guard than he is tackle.

LDT, Allegretti, Rankin and Wylie. Add in Osemele on a one year deal and I think you’re good at guard.

I would quite like to see Jarrad Davis from the Lions bought in a LB. Makes sense as a cheap low risk high reward option who is a former 1st round pick.

ROFL

You’re an idiot. Let me guess, you know better than Veach and Burkholder?

You'll buy anything won't ya? I have some beach property in Arizona you might be interested in.

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I think Fisher will be on PUP. Probably a mid season return and that would be 9 months

I'd be somewhat suprised if Hitchens were to be let go.

This is where I’m at. We need to find a LT for the first 6 weeks.

Willie Gay was still lost half the time by the end of the season, no way they trust him enough yet to let Hitchens go.

Carl Lawson should be free agent numero uno they target.

Put him on the current defense, add a few draftees and it's good to go.

Wow Kyle Van Noy just got released. Not sure how much he’ll cost but I’d take a look