You know there retort is going to be it wasn't in the playoffs.or the Rams Secondary was garbage.

So that logic should extend to Lamar also, right?

It is shocking...KC's grime is more contained. Tourists in KC don't have to worry about a bags of shit pretending to squeegee their windows outside of an Art Museum or the "Black Hebrew Nation" talking shit and yelling at everybody on the Plaza. Baltimore is a gross city that's lazily ran by criminals.

I can see that. I've just never seen Marty ball beat a QB anywhere close to Mahomes. Throw in the fact we've got a top 2-3 defense ourselves.

Rivalries built on respect are kind of boring, TBH. The blood feud that created the old Chiefs Raiders bar brawls is so much more entertaining. Pure, unadulterated hatred is where it’s at for rivalries.

Sadly, not much of that around any more.

No surprise there. I would imagine folks from Cincinnati, Kentucky and Kansas City, Kansas have more in common than with those of us from deepest, darkest Maryland. Flyover solidarity.

Chiefs fatigue. Happens to opposing fans & talking heads when you're a dynasty in the NFL. :) The Ravens are perceived by some of those talking heads as having the best "overal team" in the league this season. That's gotten quite a bit of traction since Burrow, Stroud & Allen are no longer in the running or in the headlines. Ravens do have a good roster... and it helps that they've beaten good teams this season. If Ravens victory predictions rev up PM II & co, then I'm all for it. Most of the talking heads picked the Bills.....

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Marty-ball had a horrific record in the postseason. The record against elite quarterbacks in the postseason was worse.

And like a fly to a bag of shit, I know you've been waiting for your opportunity to trash Baltimore. Go off, king.

Is Dalvin Cook washed?

Did anyone see him play much last week? I heard he looked pretty good. Him, Edwards, Hill and Jackson will be a tough little stable of RBs to deal with.

You: I'm not blaming it on injuries
Also you: has a full list injuries...

Ozzie Newsome (the GM that ran the organization for decades) came from the Marty tree. They're built to play physical and they prioritize veterans over rookies. Defense was supposed to be a weak point this year because of all the cast offs but that wound up working to their advantage beacause the D-coordinator runs a complicated scheme that you can only get away with if you've got speed at linebacker and savy veteran play. This is the classic power football Marty team matched up against a top shelf franchise QB. The fact that these dumbass baltimore fans can't understand why this is a problem is galling.

Availability is a thing. Cant win if you cant play.

Baltimore does a great job of trashing itself

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

It's like all Ravens fans 'forgot' what happened this off-season.

The Ravens THEMSELVES weren't even sure they wanted to commit to Lamar long term. You don't let a QB 'shop himself around' if this is 'the guy' and everything is dictated on him going forward.

Odd reference to make in response. I think I would have chosen differently.

Oh you already have built in excuses got it.

The old school videos of Chiefs/Raiders games are kind of horrifying, lol.... looks like they played an entirely different sport back then that wasn't so much focused on winning football games as it was trying to cripple your opponent.

Calm down? I'm chill as can be.

Nobody cares about your Steelers rivalry. We're winning super bowls over here.

It's hard to have a rivalry when you beat everyone

Thanks Chi town,,,,,, I think!!LMAO

Are you trying to deflect from the reality of how much pressure is on Baltimore this game?

Sure.

Lamar has ZERO Super Bowl appearances and ZERO Lombardi's at age 27.

Agreed.

So what exactly are we arguing about?

The 1970 Ben Davidson spearing of Len Dawson while he was on the ground during a game that had Title implications was kind of the boiling point in an already bitter rivalry. The Raiders were pissed that the Chiefs had beaten them in the AFC CG in Oakland to go the SB the year before.

Username checks out haha. The analog to that in the AFC North if Steelers/Bengals. Bad blood, cheap shots, OH/PA rivalry. Most seemed to agree it was not a good time.

Then there are the sad rivalries like Ravens/Browns. They are just perpetually furious at what the Ravens became and it's very one sided.

They aren't excuses. If you guys beat the Chiefs on Sunday, you will have earned it and deserve your flowers. Beating the Chiefs in the playoffs in this era is a major accomplishment, regardless of us having a down year. And I'm sure most of us here would agree that you earned it and were the better team that day, if it happens.

But the pressure is on you guys. You have the team to go all the way. There's no guarantee when you'll be back in the AFCCG. And you have to beat the weakest Chiefs team in 6 years to get there. The pressure is all on the Ravens.

This is a very entertaining read.

I'm a proud Virginian and I've got stakes with both the Redskins and the Chiefs. I will THOROUGHLY enjoy hearing the Tomahawk Chop serenade these baltimore fans and I hope it reminds a lot of these front-runners of the time they use to root for a team that wasn't an expansion franchise in RFK.

And maybe even more desperate than Bills fans to convince us they're amazing (and they were desperate.... granted, most of them were simply incoherent where as this is a far more passive aggressive spamming vibe.

Imagine having a rivalry with a team that hasnt won a playoff game in 7 years

If the Ravens beat the Chiefs on Sunday and it doesn't require OT, they will have accomplished something that nobody else has.

This. If the Chiefs win, it won't be a huge surprise.

The Ravens may win, and they are admittedly the favorite, but everyone is waiting to see whether they can really capitalize on all that potential (I think a lot of people still remember and focus on the 2019 team that was supposedly 'unbeatable' going into the playoffs).

Like Bloody said above, beat the Chiefs and you'll get some flowers.

But if you do, better not choke in the Super Bowl or that narrative on Lamar gonna pop right back up again.

Either way, good luck. I honestly see this as a 50/50 game that could go either way. Neither outcome would surprise me.

People insist that one Super Bowl win will change absolutely everything for Lamar's legacy. Which I don't disagree with. But if we're projecting SBs 10+ years into the future with Mahomes, and Lamar is younger than Mahomes, then Lamar has quite a long time to pick up that SB that will supposedly change what people think about him. Sure, Mahomes has proven he can do it. But the Ravens/Lamar have proven they'll repeatedly put themselves in situations that give them as good of a chance as any.

I didn't think that was even remotely possible until this thread appeared. It's incredible, actually. Damn near impressive...

Chiefs and Ravens yards per play and yards per play allowed are almost identical. Ravens with about a tenth of a yard advantage on both. Difference in records is a function of turnovers. We turned the ball over a ton and didn't get turnovers and the opposite is true for them. Question is, do we think that will hold in the playoffs? If it does, we lose. If it doesn't, my money is on Playoff Pat.

Amazing what hitting on one quarterback in the crapshoot that is the NFL draft does to a fanbase's estimation of themselves.

This comment plays because you don't know whether I'm talking about the Bills or the Chiefs.

Do you think that Lamar's playing style will age well?

Probably your best chance to win the game, IMHO

There is no guarantee Mahomes plays to 45. This is football and injuries do happen. Not saying Mahomea is going to get injured or he isn't on the trajectory to being the GOAT, just saying if he wants that he needs to win a few more Lomabardis. This is in no way playing with House Money. Hell you guys said he's the Michael Jordan of football. In the six championships runs no one ever uttered the words playing with House Money. Anytime Michale stepped on the court in the playoffs the pressure was on because nothing mattered more than winning. When Mike was sick they weren't playing with House Money he was expected to win. When Scottie hurt his back he wasn't playing with House Money he was expected to win. When everyone had the Jazz beating the Bulls they weren't playing with House Money they were expected to win. Only on Planet Chiefs does the "GOAT" get to play with House Money.

Yeah, you guys sure got full of yourselves, all right.

Call me when you have drafted the GOAT.

Crapshoot? LMAO

Our GM moved up to get him because he was gaga about him as player. He wasn't guessing or hoping. He was Mahomes biggest fan before we even had a clue.

He has improved every single year without fail. He has put on more muscle to absorb hits, there are far fewer designed runs, the passing concepts become increasingly advanced, and he has become one of the better QBs in the league at metrics people assume he's terrible at like against the blitz and intermediate throws.

And yet, there's still room for him to grow. He knows how to set his base and maintain proper mechanics but isn't always disciplined. The supporting cast on offense could get better.

Of course, he will always rely on the threat of running to open things up. But it's a misconception that he wins on speed. He wins based on reading leverage of defenders and making them miss. That will age just fine.

So yes, I think there's good reason to believe his game will age well.

He looked good in spots. Kind of a mixed bag. But he hasn't gotten very many snaps either. And they aren't throwing to him for whatever reason, and that's a big part of his effectiveness. Jury's still out, imo.

Lottery. That's what DeCosta calls it. And that's coming from the best drafting front office in the NFL.

I've heard the better analogy is poker where you're making a calculated bet rather than just buying a ticket. Regardless, an educated guess.

All the pressure is on mahomes, brady beat mvp qbs and great defenses, lamar wins a ring we're questioning if mahomes is even the best qb of his generation let alone the greatest qb in nfl history.

Yeah well. We went up and got him, you didn't, and Buffalo didn't think he was worth it.

Guess you all ****ed up.

Lolz

Dude eats pressure and shits Lombardi's.

The Ravens went up and got Lamar at 32. They're doing just fine.

It doesn't really make sense for Chiefs fans in the context of running to another team's message board to convince them how amazing the Chiefs are now... you can just turn on the TV every January/February to find out.

That's the one difference between perceived greatness and actual greatness.... the latter speaks for itself.

Your d isn’t better than phili’s last year

:LOL:

Full disclosure:

If I was just Joe Average Fan with no attachment or in-depth knowledge of either team, I'd probably take the Ravens over the Chiefs, maybe 31-24, hell maybe even 34-20.

However, I just can't unsee the last 5.9 years of Chiefs FB. Therefore, I'm going Chiefs 27 Ravens 24. Give me PMII, TK87, Stone Cold Jones and Andy Reid every time. Is it game time yet? LFG!!!!

Browns/Ravens is a bit sad. Both NFL cities cucked by another city that took their football team. Cleveland wasn't totally emasculated and got to keep their team name. NFL made sure of that because they respected the passion of the Cleveland fanbase. Cleveland went 2 years w/o an NFL team. Baltimore languished 12 seasons w/o an NFL team. Weird to think that the Colts have now played in Indianapolis longer than they played in Baltimore.

Mike Edwards back at practice LFG!

Please share what you are smoking. That has to be out of this world stuff.

More like an educated home run.

Skip Bayless enters the chat.

Mahomes has already been there, done that. He's literally the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind Brady and Montana. A loss to the Ravens does not ruin his legacy.

Agreed, I would not expect him to play anywhere near as long as Brady. I'm hoping he can play at a high level to around age 38 like Aaron Rodgers & Drew Brees. That's probably the best case scenario.

I think the goal is to get up there with Montana, who won 4 rings and 16 Playoff games. It seems pretty likely Mahomes will blow past the 16 playoff wins since he already has 13 of them at only 28 years old, but winning rings is VERY hard. If he can get 2 more rings over the next 10 years, I would be very happy to see it.

Not a single GM in football would trade Mahomes for Lamar straight up. Not a single one, not even yours.

This 100000000000%

I'm not sure what we're even talking about.

Chiefs got lucky and hit on Mahomes.
Ravens got lucky and hit on Lamar.
Both have enjoyed great success since then. Whats there to even talk about?

Veach said Mahomes was the best player he's ever seen before he became the starter in 2018. He knew.

And no DeCosta hasn't been better at drafting than Veach the last 4 years, especially considering Veach hasn't had any picks higher than 21.

I do think with the emergence of Likely they should probably just rest Andrews and trade him in the offseason to KC for a 7th round pick or something.

Lamar is a great QB. And the Ravens are doing "fine," if by "fine" you mean a 2-4 playoff record

In actuality, the Chiefs are the ones who are doing just fine.

So we have a couple of Ravens fans coming here seeking validation of how great their team/qb is.

Really? Who's going to question that mahomes is better than lamar? Ravens fans? Dipshit pundits? Get out of here with that nonsense. This is lamar's first afc title game appearance. Mahomes never misses this game. His first year as a starter, he won league mvp and he did it with numbers that are rarely seen. That season could win any season past or future. Lamar's mvps, well he had the best numbers that year.

Mahomes has done nothing but beat top defenses and superstar quarterbacks. He only had two cracks at Brady and I can't fault him for losing either of those games. Coin flip on one and the perfect storm on the other.

I lurked here for over a year before signing up and commenting. Maybe these other fans should too. Get a chance to read this place and understand that takes like this will just invoke eyerolls. We have some dopey posters here but most have a really good grasp on reality. Your post is fantasy. Good lord...

Or a couple of mults...

Their fans aren’t even remotely close to being over it. There’s an active thread on their board right now with Browns fans talking about how the mere sight of the Ravens fills them with sadness (247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/board/105323/Contents/i-hate-the-ratbirds-225823758/?page=1).

Baltimore fans still held animosity toward the Colts at least through 2006 when the Ravens had the one seed and Manning came to Baltimore for the divisional round, but there’s no real hate left there.

For all the complaining the Browns fans do, which I get, they got to keep their colors/history. It’s frankly insulting to many Baltimore people that the Indy team hangs banner for Baltimore Colts achievements. I mentioned this early, but the Ravens have basically coopted the old Colts. There will
be old Colts at the game this Sunday, and they’re inducted in the Ravens Ring of Honor.

May that fate never befall the Chiefs.

Yep, there are no guarantees, but the comparison is between Mahomes and Brady. Brady's totals came from playing until he was 45. Mahomes is 28, so he has many years of potential yet to play out. Mahomes compares very favorably to Brady at the same point in his career. Whether or not Mahomes continues on the same trajectory will be interesting to see, but who else looks capable of doing so?

You guys sure do love making up preposterous hypotheticals that have no chance of ever occurring and aren’t even useful intellectual exercises because they’re so contrived/realistic to make yourselves feel better.

What you Ravens fans don't understand is that we don't care about your team. At all. The Ravens are this year's obstacle between Mahomes and another ring. That's all. The Chiefs don't care who they play, it doesn't matter. If they don't do stupid shit they'll win.

There's no magic plan that's going make a difference for you. There's no matchup to exploit. There's no edge for you to ride to victory.

Now, KC has had a lot of mind numbingly stupid gaffes this season. Maybe they come out and can't catch the ball again, or fumble the game away. It could happen. I wouldn't bet on it.

Mahomes and the bulk of the team are battle hardened from six straight AFCCGs and three Super Bowls.

No, Lamar is not his equal. Nobody is.

The Ravens are the best drafting organization since they came into the league in 96. Starting with their very first draft being first ballot hall of famers Ray Lewis and Jonathan Ogden. They’re an excellent drafting team now, but I’m talking about a much longer sample size than that.

Lolz

I don't need to make myself feel better, winning Super Bowls feels GREAT.

Let’s play your hypothetical game that you like. Say—and I know this is crazy—the Chiefs lose. Then what? It doesn’t matter and still no one is his equal and the Chiefs beat themselves?

And traded up to get that one.

Correct

They had better cbs, and d-line but ravens have better lb and safties. The eagles don't have the ravens dc he's too good.