It would have been a much more effective episode if the writers would have developed Micchone instead of her being some brooding background figure the past season. Make the viewers care a little.

Yep. They finally melted the ice on her a tad last episode, just so they could talk about sacrificing her this one. Lazy.

that's correct and i think that is why some people feel that the Governor's storyline doesn't make much sense. In the comic books the Governor is a outright villain. On the TV show, the governor is a creep. He has been softened a bit because he did things in the comics that wouldn't (couldn't?) be aired on TV. The Governor asked for Michonne and we know Ricks answer will be no, just as the answer would be no if he asked for Judith.

No is the answer that the Governor wants to hear. Demanding Rick turn over Judith would have resulted in a more definite no. Oh well, we can see where this is headed. I just wish the writers for TWD would stop telegraphing where the plot is headed.

Anyone read Rise of the Governor? It explains why when Andrea asked him what his real name is he is hesitant to say what it is.

I wonder if they are setting this up to give Michonne a little bit of the treatment she got in the comics.

Can someone explain why the better plan isn't just to move on and find somewhere else to fortify your group? I get that it wouldn't be easy, with a baby and a one legged man. But the remaining members are basically hardened killers at this point. I realize you'd lose the dramatic aspect, but they haven't convinced me why the prison is a place you just can't leave. The fencing and the high lookouts are obviously a plus, but it's such a big place to try to secure.....

I thought the scene was intense, and well acted.

The Maggie/Glen thing seemed way out of place.

Well in the comics they do move on, but not really by choice.

Can you put the reason the leave in the comic into a spoiler?

I don't think they did a good job of developing the psychological and emotional damage that occurred between Glen/Maggie as a result of the Woodbury experience. The scene would have had a lot more power if they'd really put a significant amount of angst and trauma into the relationship. As it was, it just seemed like a gratuitous sex scene.

You've got part of that wrong.

I miss Rick's badassness. He's getting weak.

Woah. I totally disagree. He went in there, pretended like he was considering the Governor's offer, then came out of the meeting and prepared his people for war, basically doing the exact same thing the governor did.

He's using fear to manipulate his group and overcome their weaknesses. To me, he's getting more cynical and pragmatic, not weaker.

Finally caught up on this half of the season, watched 5 episodes last night. I expected them to be bad seeing the reactions in this thread, but I liked em all. The episode with crazy Morgan was I thought one of the best of the whole series. Funny how that works, they stop trying to juggle 200 characters and focus on 3 or 4 and look what happens. And I think that episode's going to be foreshadowing for a lot. Morgan didn't shoot his wife and his son died. An episode a week or two ago Andrea didn't stab the governor. This week didn't follow Merle's advice and attack him at the meeting. That's going to come back and bite them (probably literally). Like Morgan said, 'don't ever say sorry'.

And yeah, can we trade crazy Morgan for Andrea? Please?

The governor doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me - I mean, he says he could have killed them all when he attacked the prison. And now he wants to meet them...so he can kill them all. Okay, that makes sense. Uhh, not at all. But I like David Morrissey's performance so much that at the same time I don't really care that the actions of his character make no sense.