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Sweet Daddy Hate 09-17-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch (Post 9986991)
AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.

Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.

Spot on.

duncan_idaho 09-17-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9986994)
Thursday will be the real test for Alex. The Eagles will put up points at home so the offense is going to have kick it into high gear. This is the type of game Alex HAS to show he can win.

Agreed.

BigCatDaddy 09-17-2013 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj (Post 9987081)
Not sure I agree with you a 100% Big Cat. I think this is the best D the Eagles will face. Im not so sure they will put up a lot of points. Also if there is one thing Smith is a master of its the Long Long sustained drives. Even if they dont turn into points. He has been the best the last couple season at Time of possession. Im not sure where all this" He has to show he can win stuff" is coming from. He is 22-6 in his last 28 games including the playoffs. The Qb get s the blame for loses and the glory for wins. Thats just the way it is. KC can dream an dream for an Aaron Rogers type of QB, its just not who he is, but those W's just keep piling up. Keep rollin KC you guys look like a real deal football team, even without the 300yrd passing games everyone wants so bad. Ol Smitty still looks good in Red!!! Happy for you guys.


We'll see, but I get the feeling this week will be the week he can shut up the naysayers such as myself that worry about what happens with the d gives up over 20 points.

The Bad Guy 09-17-2013 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Daddy Hate (Post 9987091)
Spot on.

Every freaking team would be milking clock in that situation with their run game. Every single one.

It's not spot on. It's nowhere close to being on point. It's frankly absurd.

Alex Smiff 09-17-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ayleswbj (Post 9987081)
Not sure I agree with you a 100% Big Cat. I think this is the best D the Eagles will face. Im not so sure they will put up a lot of points. Also if there is one thing Smith is a master of its the Long Long sustained drives. Even if they dont turn into points. He has been the best the last couple season at Time of possession. Im not sure where all this" He has to show he can win stuff" is coming from. He is 22-6 in his last 28 games including the playoffs. The Qb get s the blame for loses and the glory for wins. Thats just the way it is. KC can dream an dream for an Aaron Rogers type of QB, its just not who he is, but those W's just keep piling up. Keep rollin KC you guys look like a real deal football team, even without the 300yrd passing games everyone wants so bad. Ol Smitty still looks good in Red!!! Happy for you guys.

I just hope KC doesn't sign him to a big contract as their long time starter because people will see eventually that he is very limited. Even with all the wins, Harbaugh saw it.

Alex's bread and butter is let the defense set the tone. If they keep the games close...the Chiefs will always be in games. If the D is ordinary. Good luck. It's not a knock on the guy, it's just not who he is. Fanboys have a hard time accepting that.

Marcellus 09-17-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9987134)
Every freaking team would be milking clock in that situation with their run game. Every single one.

It's not spot on. It's nowhere close to being on point. It's frankly absurd.

80 yard TD drive in the 3rd quarter. JC had 2 carries for 3 yards on that drive.

While JC is crucial the offense, it seems maybe the QB is doing work as well.

Bearcat 09-17-2013 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs (Post 9986934)
Seems the extremes are a fabrication altogether though. No one is saying you or anyone has to "go all in" and pronounce Alex is the savior of KC... that he is elite and will be exceptional for the next 10 years. No one is saying any of that... can you at least recognize and appreciate that much? Most of the pro-Alex guys are only really suggesting that it is wrong to label him as a Cassell and that KC can't be successful with him. You may not be black or white in your intent, but your posts have all definitely favored the pessimistic view... and definitely comes off as an axe to grind VS a simple pat on the back, and keep doing well, Alex.

We're going in circles... I've posted the stats. 2010 Cassel and 2011 Smith are almost identical statistically, and their career stats are just as eerily similar. 2012 Smith had a better rating because his completion percentage was up, but there wasn't a huge difference in projected yardage/TDs/etc. Really, the only significant difference is the win over the Saints in the playoffs, and that yes, Smith continued to improve while Cassel didn't (granted, the 49ers were a better team, but whatever).

I do see it as an upgrade so far... better pocket presence, doesn't curl up into the fetal position at the first sign of trouble, etc... but, being efficient in the first two games while throwing for less than 6 yards per completion doesn't make him significantly better than the 2010 Cassel who had a 27/7 TD/INT ratio and only fumbled twice.

Of course Smith is an upgrade from last season, which isn't saying much, and he has shown more flashes of potential... but, that's it for now. The numbers don't lie. He'll be given a few opportunities this year to possibly win high scoring games (maybe in both of the next two games) and he'll go up against Peyton Manning twice. Of course, he doesn't have to win all of them by throwing for 600 yards and 8 touchdowns, but what he does will go a lot further in determining if he can take it to the next level than talking about the past while he was on a different team with different coaches, etc.

You guys like him, I get it... but, again, you have to understand that we're coming from years and years of retread QBs and years and years of believing it'll be different "this time"... and as much as I'd love for it to be true for the first time in 20 years, as someone who has seen plenty of ~10 win/1 and done seasons, cautious optimism is about the best I can do, and even that's a stretch before the end of the month.

Marcellus 09-17-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9987187)
We're going in circles... I've posted the stats. 2010 Cassel and 2011 Smith are almost identical statistically, and their career stats are just as eerily similar. 2012 Smith had a better rating because his completion percentage was up, but there wasn't a huge difference in projected yardage/TDs/etc. Really, the only significant difference is the win over the Saints in the playoffs, and that yes, Smith continued to improve while Cassel didn't (granted, the 49ers were a better team, but whatever).

2 games into 2010 Cassel had 2 picks 1 TD and 243 passing yards.

If you think Smith is going to project to have the same season this year that Cassel did in 2010, I don't even know what to tell you.

Do you Smith is going to go backwards from here? Being serious.

duncan_idaho 09-17-2013 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 9987187)
You guys like him, I get it... but, again, you have to understand that we're coming from years and years of retread QBs and years and years of believing it'll be different "this time"... and as much as I'd love for it to be true for the first time in 20 years, as someone who has seen plenty of ~10 win/1 and done seasons, cautious optimism is about the best I can do, and even that's a stretch before the end of the month.

Love the whole post, but especially this part.

The Chiefs fanbase has been burned by QBs like Alex Smith time and again. The biggest difference with Smith is that there is MORE evidence about who he really is than probably any other retread guy KC has brought in since DeBerg or Krieg.

Very few people are saying the guy is terrible. But we are more than justified in being cautious about a guy who has been a game manager, mediocre QB in the past, and wanting to see him be MORE than that before he's signed to a lucrative extension.

I'll give Dorsey major credit on not extending him right away. If he doesn't elevate his play and they move on after two years, I'll give Dorsey even more (though I'll point out that they paid an awful lot to get him, ESPECIALLY if they haven't won something significant in that timeframe).

If at the end of 2014, the Chiefs go in a different direction at QB and have won 18 games in 2013 and 2014 without a playoff run or even a divisional crown, the trade is a failure, IMO.

Unless Tyler Bray is the lightning strike and becomes a star, thanks in part to Alex Smith's tutelage. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Baby Lee 09-17-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 9986396)
And to be honest, if you are being honest with yourself

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 9986406)
I'm starting to think you suspect I'm less than honest...

'Maybe it's just me, but for me. . . '

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Jakemall 09-17-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger's Bitch (Post 9986991)
AS has the ability to throw the ball down the field, he just doesn't have the guts to.

He's a chickenshit.

QB's that play as scared as him don't often find success. Yeah, he won't make the big mistake, but he won't go out and win the game for you either. There will be important games when the team needs him to do just that, and it simply won't be happening because he's a coward.

Closing out the game against the cowgirls is a perfect example of this. Jamaal Charles is the real QB of this team.


How many total yards of offense were there? How many yards rushing did Charles have? And HE'S THE QUARTERBACK?

LOL..wow. I don't even know what to say.

NinerDoug 09-17-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9986994)
Thursday will be the real test for Alex. The Eagles will put up points at home so the offense is going to have kick it into high gear. This is the type of game Alex HAS to show he can win.

In 2011 he staged a 20 + point second half comeback, in Philly, to beat the Eagles.

BigCatDaddy 09-17-2013 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by NinerDoug (Post 9987241)
In 2011 he staged a 20 + point second half comeback, in Philly, to beat the Eagles.

This was addressed. He threw for like 5 yards on the game winning drive.

Jakemall 09-17-2013 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Smiff (Post 9987185)
I just hope KC doesn't sign him to a big contract as their long time starter because people will see eventually that he is very limited. Even with all the wins, Harbaugh saw it.

Alex's bread and butter is let the defense set the tone. If they keep the games close...the Chiefs will always be in games. If the D is ordinary. Good luck. It's not a knock on the guy, it's just not who he is. Fanboys have a hard time accepting that.

He means like the Eagles game.

Jakemall 09-17-2013 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 9987244)
This was addressed. He threw for like 5 yards on the game winning drive.

Because a 20+ point comeback requires only 7 points.


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