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smithandrew051 03-28-2018 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13494320)
so the 26th recruit in the nation(Dotson), one of the best PG’s in the country, sits on the bench too? Vick starts over him?



Ranked No. 26 in the ESPN 100, Dotson is one of the best point guards in the country. He averaged 18.8 points and 2.6 steals for Team Charlotte on the Under Armour Association circuit. Dotson is very quick with the ball in his hands and loves to attack the rim off the dribble.

Dotson is the third top-35 prospect to commit to Kansas in the 2018 class, following power forward Silvio De Sousa (No. 28) and center David McCormack (No. 33). Bill Self also has high-level transfers Charlie Moore (California) and Dedric and K.J. Lawson (Memphis) sitting out the 2017-18 season.
Dotson is a true 1 and Vick is more of a 2. I think Moore will start over Dotson initially. Depending on how Dotson meshes with the system, he may take the starting role.

Self rolled with Tharpe over Frank Mason at the point due to Tharpe’s experience in the system. Mason was obviously far more talented.

Moore has a full year of practicing in the system. I would be shocked if he wasn’t starting at the point in the first game of the season.

smithandrew051 03-28-2018 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13494384)
Bill Self's SOP is to play guys who give him the best chance to win. If the raw talent is so elite that it transcends being ****ing clueless on defense, Bill Self will start that player.

It's rare, but it's happened.

Outside of Grimes, and Langford if he comes, I don't think the incoming recruits have enough raw talent.

My other point was that, as far as I know (and I could be wrong), Vick and Dotson play completely different positions.
You’re pretty much spot on. Self didn’t even start Embiid over Tarik Black initially. Embiid is a generational talent and couldn’t even be a day 1 starter over a graduate transfer.

BigRedChief 03-28-2018 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 13494390)
You’re pretty much spot on. Self didn’t even start Embiid over Tarik Black initially. Embiid is a generational talent and couldn’t even be a day 1 starter over a graduate transfer.
Yikes, I’d forgot about Black.

Mr. Plow 03-28-2018 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13494385)
uhhhhh “player shows” means proves to most people
By all means, show me where you said anything about proving they were a better player, at KU, before we got into this discussion.

Fact is, you were basing it all on some high school ranking that means little to nothing. And that's not how Self gives playing time out.


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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13494221)
so McCormack, the 34th ranked recruit in the nation, the one who picked KU over Duke, is going to sit on the bench?
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13494320)
so the 26th recruit in the nation(Dotson), one of the best PG’s in the country, sits on the bench too? Vick starts over him?.

smithandrew051 03-28-2018 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 13494394)
By all means, show me where you said anything about proving they were a better player, at KU, before we got into this discussion.

Fact is, you were basing it all on some high school ranking that means little to nothing. And that's not how Self gives playing time out.
Self gives zero shits about high school rankings. Frank Mason and Devonte Graham have further shown Self (and all of us for that matter) how wrong those can be.

BigRedChief 03-28-2018 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Plow (Post 13494394)
By all means, show me where you said anything about proving they were a better player, at KU, before we got into this discussion.
l just quoted myself where l did. This is a pointless conversation. I’m not interested in “winning” this conversation.

Mr. Plow 03-28-2018 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 13494396)
l just quoted myself where l did. This is a pointless conversation. I’m not interested in “winning” this conversation.
Yes, you said that after the discussion started.

Pants 03-28-2018 10:45 PM
I like these kids quite a bit.


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BWillie 03-28-2018 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Prison Bitch (Post 13494169)
Doke, Dotson, Grimes and Lawson are virtual locks.


I don't know that Vick or Newman return. If either does he starts. If both, Grimes to bench.
Dont count out Charlie Moore. Dont know when the last time Self started a freshman PG

smithandrew051 03-28-2018 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 13494406)
Dont count out Charlie Moore. Dont know when the last time Self started a freshman PG
He hasn’t. The order has gone:

Aaron Miles (junior) ‘04
Aaron Miles (senior) ‘05
Russell Robinson (sophomore ‘06)
Russell Robinson (junior ‘07)
Russell Robinson (senior ‘08)
Sherron Collins (junior ‘09)
Sherron Collins (senior ‘10)
Tyshawn Taylor (junior ‘11)
Tyshawn Taylor (senior ‘12)
Elijah Johnson (senior ‘13)
Naadir Tharpe (junior ‘14)
Frank Mason (sophomore ‘15)
Frank Mason (junior ‘16)
Frank Mason (senior ‘17)
Devonte Graham (senior ‘18)

sedated 03-29-2018 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 13494407)
He hasn’t. The order has gone:
Kinda tough to say because Self has been a "2 combo guard" guy, and Tyshawn started as a freshman (alongside Sherron)

smithandrew051 03-29-2018 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 13494509)
Kinda tough to say because Self has been a "2 combo guard" guy, and Tyshawn started as a freshman (alongside Sherron)
That’s true. And Mario started alongside Russell in ‘06.

If either Vick or Newman come back, they’ll start at the 2. The lead guard IMO will be Moore at first though. That could change by the end of the non con.

Another likely scenario is that both Vick and Newman leave with Langford signing with Indiana. In that case, I would guess that we either go big and start KJ Lawson or go small and start Dotson alongside Moore. Both have their benefits.

Lzen 03-29-2018 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 13493181)
I know Bill Self's coaching occasionally comes under fire on here, but these links/discussion truly highlight the phenomenal job he did against Duke. We truly have one of the best, ya'll.

http://pickandpop.net/2018/03/how-ka...cked-off-duke/
That's pretty good stuff. When KCC was all concerned about Duke's zone I said I was not too worried. Self's teams know how to attack a zone. This just proves that. Of course, the execution could have been much better on several of those examples.

Lzen 03-29-2018 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 13493914)
Would almost rather see Newman stay a year and take another run at a FF with Doke and Silvio. I don't know precisely nothing about Langford, but I assume he'll be a one-and-done.
Langford looks to be a Helluva player, definitely a one and done. But yeah, I agree with you. Would love to see Newman stay another year.

Lzen 03-29-2018 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pants (Post 13494404)
I like these kids quite a bit.


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Good stuff. I was especially impressed by McCormack. Seems to be a very mature young man.


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