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O.city 10-20-2022 12:26 PM
It's just to easy to find them later.

That's the issue. If you're a SB contender, you likely have really good players elsewhere and to stay a contender, you aren't gonna be able to sign them all. So take a guy that you could actually get some value out of as a DE or a WR or whatever spot that's hard to find later in the draft.

The other issue is a first round pick is someone you hope you can give a second contract to. If the RB hits, you aren't likely gonna wanna pay him anyway.

suzzer99 10-20-2022 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by CatfishBob2 (Post 16543517)
Using CEH as evidence against picking RBs in the first is smooth-brained logic. He was over drafted based off his measurables alone. First round RB's should be of a certain size/speed, with outstanding production in college
Vision would be nice too, and any actual RB instincts.

suzzer99 10-20-2022 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16543580)
It's just to easy to find them later.

That's the issue. If you're a SB contender, you likely have really good players elsewhere and to stay a contender, you aren't gonna be able to sign them all. So take a guy that you could actually get some value out of as a DE or a WR or whatever spot that's hard to find later in the draft.

The other issue is a first round pick is someone you hope you can give a second contract to. If the RB hits, you aren't likely gonna wanna pay him anyway.
Not with RBs where you can safely plan to use them for 5 years then let them walk. Or even trade them to some stupid team like the Texans.

Another argument is it's going to be tough to find a pro-bowl-level DE at #32. But you should be able to find a pro-bowl RB at #32 easily (if you don't screw the pooch).

O.city 10-20-2022 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16543601)
Not with RBs where you can safely plan to use them for 5 years then let them walk. Or even trade them to some stupid team like the Texans.

Another argument is it's going to be tough to find a pro-bowl-level DE at #32. But you should be able to find a pro-bowl RB at #32 easily (if you don't screw the pooch).
Take a G then or a CB.

Just dont' take a RB in the first round. Ever.

Warpaint69 10-20-2022 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16542715)
CEH hasn't lived up to my expectations but there is still football to be played. He has done some good things but the big thing is for him to hit the hole and that shouldn't be hard behind this line. I'm not giving up on him even if I curbed my expectations. I just expected him play above his rookie season and hasn't happened yet. I think they need to work harder at establishing the run because our book end tackles suck in pass protection but better at run blocking. Keep rotating the backs Keep them fresh for the playoffs. I want to save McKinnon as much as possible for playoffs.
He's a turd

O.city 10-20-2022 12:33 PM
CEH played on an offense with NFL dudes everywhere around him. The QB, the WRs etc.

He just never translated to the NFL.

Hammock Parties 10-20-2022 12:33 PM
EB called out clyde

almost time to kick his ass down the road

Sofa King 10-20-2022 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16543614)
EB called out clyde

almost time to kick his ass down the road
When?

Hammock Parties 10-20-2022 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16543615)
When?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OC Eric Bieniemy on the running game: &quot;We&#39;ve left a lot of yards. We&#39;ve left a lot of rushing yards and passing yards. . . It just goes back to going back to the basics. . . We have to make sure we maximize the opportunities presented by running the football.&quot;</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1583139872885260290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New World Order 10-20-2022 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16543620)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OC Eric Bieniemy on the running game: &quot;We&#39;ve left a lot of yards. We&#39;ve left a lot of rushing yards and passing yards. . . It just goes back to going back to the basics. . . We have to make sure we maximize the opportunities presented by running the football.&quot;</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1583139872885260290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
So he basically called out everyone.

Sofa King 10-20-2022 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 16543623)
So he basically called out everyone.
Seems like he tried to call out the RB's as a whole but soften the blow by saying both running and passing.

Ken Bone 10-20-2022 12:41 PM
I wish we had EB in his prime, he was a much better RB than CEH. I think it's time to move on from CEH.

htismaqe 10-20-2022 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16543634)
Seems like he tried to call out the RB's as a whole but soften the blow by saying both running and passing.
That's how I read it.

CatfishBob2 10-20-2022 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 16543580)
It's just to easy to find them later.

That's the issue. If you're a SB contender, you likely have really good players elsewhere and to stay a contender, you aren't gonna be able to sign them all. So take a guy that you could actually get some value out of as a DE or a WR or whatever spot that's hard to find later in the draft.

The other issue is a first round pick is someone you hope you can give a second contract to. If the RB hits, you aren't likely gonna wanna pay him anyway.

The odds are very low that you can find a Christian McCaffrey in the later rounds

PAChiefsGuy 10-20-2022 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16543620)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> OC Eric Bieniemy on the running game: &quot;We&#39;ve left a lot of yards. We&#39;ve left a lot of rushing yards and passing yards. . . It just goes back to going back to the basics. . . We have to make sure we maximize the opportunities presented by running the football.&quot;</p>&mdash; Charles Goldman (@goldmctNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/goldmctNFL/status/1583139872885260290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 20, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Words are nice but I'd like to see some action. This is getting ridiculous. CEH clearly isn't the answer at RB. He's too slow and doesn't have the ability to break many tackles other than a few plays here and there.

Move on from CEH and give his carries to Pacheco and McKinnon.


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