None of them were top 5 guys correct? Ron Brace was a good pick for them at the top of the 2nd round.

I know people bring up this under thing all the time but I fully suspect they want to build a pure 3-4 team, now Jackson fits that and that'll leave us needing a nose and Terrance Cody being in next years draft...problem is I'm not sure where any of those other guys fit.

Plus it hurts because when you have to take a NT instead of one of the many playmakers that will be available next year it's frustrating.

I think he's saying that we could have traded down and gotten an extra lineman in addition to a top 10 pick (maybe still getting Jackson in the process).

Jackson isn't even the pick that frustrated me the most, that one you can atleast reason with to understand it.

So what one pissed you off? Magee?

Yea that one I didn't like, I feel like if they wanted another guy to play end, there was a better prospect still available.

I also didn't like some of the later picks I feel like they could have gotten better value for the picks and more pressing positions.

Seymour was taken at 6, but why does that matter? You keep acting as if all drafts are static when they aren't. It's been the problem with your complaints the entire time.

Draft position does matter....your top picks need to be franchise players not role players.

There was not a single "lock" franchise pick available in this draft (remember, that's your assertion about Curry). It's tough to pick what isn't there. Furthermore, in a Patriots-style 3-4 sytem, the defensive linemen are the keys to the defense. They aren't "role players", they're what makes the defense work or fail.

You can keep making the same erroneous comments on thread after thread, but that's never going to make them correct.

he makes a good point that every draft is different and the optimal choice isn't always(usually) available. sure jackson would've been better at 10, butthat wasn't an option. as for Raji, beside the fact he's not the solid high-floor pick Jackson is, i think Tank may have kept them from selecting a NT. I think they want to see what they've got in him first. I really hope he steps up, think he can if he is truly 340 as some have claimed.
i know you wanted gilbert in the third. i sympathize with not understanding a pick, but how many of gilbert's game have you seen? sure he sounds good on paper, but i think it's a little silly to think we know something about these guys that they don't when they've seen every snap he(+Magee)'s ever taken. im gonna assume they had something they didn't like about him we couldn't see.

I saw Gilbert several times.....

When you compare them the only thing you can really give Magee is that he went to Purdue while Gilbert went to San Jose State. Gilbert is a guy who is 3 inches taller, is basically the prototype of a 3-4 end in physical build. He's more naturally athletic, he's played inside and outside productively.

Gilbert won the defensive player of the year award for his conference and led the nation in tackles for loss.

That's just something I will never really understand on how Magee was taken in front of him.

i believe a (large?) portion of their evaluation is based on whether or not they believe a player loves football and will be a hard worker.

we can't evaluate this with most players, perhaps this played into the decision(Magee was commonly known to have high character)

i liked the idea of Gilbert as a prospect, but i just feel blinded to most of the equation. i know discussing prospects it takes away from your point if you admit you don't know everything about a guy, but there is so much to know it's impossible for us to fully evaluate them as teams do. i'm not saying they always make the right decision, just that they make a much more informed decision.

What's laughable is trading for someone because he MIGHT be worth the risk.

Why trade for anyone you're not convinced about?

I'd rather see a baseball player take 3 good cuts and strike out, instead of standing at the plate with the bat on his shoulder because the pitcher MIGHT walk him.

You either have 100% confidence in the guy, or you don't waste a 2nd round pick on him, IMO.

The story on the Detroit trade came from Teicher. I'm no fan of Teicher's, but for him to report those kind of specifics directly on draft day, I'm going to assume he heard it from someone pretty solid. And the source didn't necessarily have to be someone from the KC side. Maybe the Lions let Gunther into the draft room to take their lunch orders and he overheard it.

Peter King didn't report it, but he didn't refute it either. Unlike, say, the Cassel contract story.

It's not conjecture. If the Chiefs were willing to move back that far, they were willing to part with Tyson Jackson. To be there at #20, Jackson would have had to slip past, off the top of my head, Green Bay, Denver twice, and San Diego. There was even talk in Cleveland that the Browns were willing to move down when #5 came up because they had their eye on Jackson and he was gone.

I can't state this for certain, but I've read elsewhere that Kiper's mock the day before the draft had Jackson going #5 and Curry going #3. And then the KC-Jackson talk started and he changed it. His last mock posted at ESPN indicates there might be updates, but it doesn't specifically say if anything was changed.

Regardless, I don't know where it came from that everyone had Jackson going 17-20. Most everything I remember had him going to Denver with their first pick of the two (#12, I think).

Well, what are they supposed to say? "Ehhhh, he's OK, but we really wanted to move back"?

I'm sure they're fine having gotten Jackson, don't get me wrong. But there were numerous reports in the weeks before that draft that Pioli was trying to trade down. Actively working, calling teams, trying to make a deal. A specific draft-day report said they were willing to trade back to a point where Jackson surely would have been gone.

You can question the Teicher story about Detroit, but there's no reason to doubt the numerous stories that Pioli was trying to move down. And that itself doesn't jive with the tunnel-vision type mentality you're suggesting they used, where they just zeroed in on Jackson and didn't care how big a reach he was. If Pioli wanted Jackson that bad, he's not going to move down and risk someone leaping ahead of him.

There must be some reason. Chicago wanted Magee ahead of Gilbert, too.

How so? Because they didn't trade down? ROFL

Like that has ANYTHING AT ALL to do with the "Cassel is either your guy or he isn't" argument.