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OnTheWarpath15 12-16-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tooge (Post 6352181)
Well, I am guessing you wont be talking about the FAIL of '09 if he makes a free agent splash or two, lands a known 3-4 defensive coordinator, brings in a QB coach and offensive coordinator, and has a nice draft, then we are sitting with 7 or 8 wins this time next year. My point being that maybe, just maybe, he knows more about football than you or I and maybe, just maybe you will realize that this wasn't the FAIL you thought it was. On the other hand, I could be the one realizing just the opposite. I'm banking he knows more than us.

So, if he does all those things, all is forgiven?

Personally, I'd be asking, "why didn't that happen LAST year?"

A wasted year is a wasted year, regardless of what happens in the future.

What we all expected to be at least a 2-3 year rebuild has just turned to a 3-4 year because we've done nothing but spin our wheels in Year One.

Fish 12-16-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 6352161)
Sorry.

Here is an interesting article about 3-4 DE's.

http://www.nfltouchdown.com/nfls-newest-trend-3-4-des/
NFL’s Newest Trend: 3-4 DE’s


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That is a good article. And I don't deny that with many more teams converting to the 3-4, the 3-4 DE is becoming more important. But the article itself says the Jackson pick was "curious". And that they thought perhaps Hali and Dorsey could have filled that role. And it pains me that they compare Dorsey to Seymour instead of Jackson.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6351982)
Of course you don't. Is that your new excuse? You've used it twice this week alone.

:rolleyes:





You never responded.

Then THIS gem:

I"m aware of all of that shit.
It doesn't change my view at all.

2 guys who landed in a hell of a lot better circumstances, who hit on some nice acquisitions, does not lead me to believe that the GM of our team is a moron who is not doing the right things to succeed in the long run.

Yes I asked for some examples, but it's just not that comperable a scenario.

But I get it: You're just too busy.

LMAO

I"m aware of all of that shit.
It doesn't change my view at all.

2 guys who landed in a hell of a lot better circumstances, who hit on some nice acquisitions, does not lead me to believe that the GM of our team is a moron who is not doing the right things to succeed in the long run.

Yes I asked for some examples, but it's just not that comperable a scenario.

DaneMcCloud 12-16-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352174)
We ALL though that Denver was going to CRASH and BURN.

Uh, NO.

I stated throughout the offseason in several threads that I thought that Denver would at LEAST be 8-8.

Denver is loaded with youthful talent but in addition to that, they signed the largest amount of free-agents in 2009. It definitely worked out for them (AND they have Chicago's pick this draft).

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352174)
Which goes to show that all this hindsight 20-20 crap about all the ****-ups

Again, more HORSESHIT.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352174)
that that were made this off-season are so redamndiculous.
Everybody bitches about the TJ pick.
I don't have that big of a problem with it. I think he's gonna be a BAD ASS.

Based on what, exactly? What have YOU seen that makes you think that Tyson Jackson, a TWO-DOWN player, is going to be a quote "Bad Ass".

Please share.

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352174)
And if that's the case, it's better to have a bad-ass 5 tech, than a bust QB like Sanchez is gonna be.

Gonna be? What does this mean "gonna be"? He's had a few rough games this season, no doubt. But he's picked himself up and fought through it. There's no doubt he'll be a better QB next year than this year, which is the point.

Furthermore, throw Sanchez out of the equation: How about Michael Oher? Percy Harvin? Vontae Davis? Knowshon Moreno? Jeremy Maclin?

Don't you think that ANY or all of these guys would have had an IMMEDIATE and SUBSTANTIAL impact with the third pick overall and if so, why did the genius Pioli not see that?

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352174)
That's my point.
Everbody makes this huge deal about positional value, and they are right, but there just wasn't shit up there. Orakpo looks like a beast next to Henderson, Sure, would he look like that here? I doubt it, but I would have had no problem with, that pick either.
Pioli came out before the season and said that they were going to evaluate this roster first. It was as plain as day that, that's what they were going to do.

You're fool if you believe this. First off, Pioli has 45 of his own guys on this roster, whether it's IR, the practice squad or the final 53. If he needs a year to evaluate the players he brought in ON THE FIELD, he's a ****ing dumbass of epic proportions.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish (Post 6352158)
No, there wasn't a Matt Ryan. However, there was a Mark Sanchez, a B.J. Raji, a Clay Matthews, a Brian Cushing, a Percy Harvin, a Eugene Monroe, etc. available. All of which have become foundational players.

lol.

I'm sure you would have been thrilled to see us take Brian cushing at threeROFL

Sanchez=bust IMO
Monroe=debateable

Percy Harvin at 3!!!!??????ROFL

Clay Mathews!!!?????
AT THREE!!!!???

Hammock Parties 12-16-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352218)

Sanchez=bust IMO

How can you call Sanchez a bust when you sit here and say we all need to have patience with the shit in Kansas City?

DaneMcCloud 12-16-2009 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352209)
I"m aware of all of that shit.
It doesn't change my view at all.

2 guys who landed in a hell of a lot better circumstances, who hit on some nice acquisitions, does not lead me to believe that the GM of our team is a moron who is not doing the right things to succeed in the long run.

Yes I asked for some examples, but it's just not that comperable a scenario.

Oh, this is just complete and utter ****ing BULLSHIT.

Atlanta was 3-13 the year prior. Denver was 8-8, traded their QB and had issues with Marshall AND a poor defense.

You look more foolish with each and every post.

I thought you were leaving forever because of the "hate farm" around here?

WTF happened?

DaneMcCloud 12-16-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352218)
lol.

I'm sure you would have been thrilled to see us take Brian cushing at threeROFL

Sanchez=bust IMO
Monroe=debateable

Percy Harvin at 3!!!!??????ROFL

Clay Mathews!!!?????
AT THREE!!!!???

You're ****ing dumb.

Plain and simple.

Smokin' crack again?

beach tribe 12-16-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6352216)
Uh, NO.

I stated throughout the offseason in several threads that I thought that Denver would at LEAST be 8-8.

Denver is loaded with youthful talent but in addition to that, they signed the largest amount of free-agents in 2009. It definitely worked out for them (AND they have Chicago's pick this draft).



Again, more HORSESHIT.



Based on what, exactly? What have YOU seen that makes you think that Tyson Jackson, a TWO-DOWN player, is going to be a quote "Bad Ass".

Please share.



Gonna be? What does this mean "gonna be"? He's had a few rough games this season, no doubt. But he's picked himself up and fought through it. There's no doubt he'll be a better QB next year than this year, which is the point.

Furthermore, throw Sanchez out of the equation: How about Michael Oher? Percy Harvin? Vontae Davis? Knowshon Moreno? Jeremy Maclin?

Don't you think that ANY or all of these guys would have had an IMMEDIATE and SUBSTANTIAL impact with the third pick overall and if so, why did the genius Pioli not see that?



You're fool if you believe this. First off, Pioli has 45 of his own guys on this roster, whether it's IR, the practice squad or the final 53. If he needs a year to evaluate the players he brought in ON THE FIELD, he's a ****ing dumbass of epic proportions.

Ahh.
And exactly the reaction I expected. That was easy.

ALL of this hate stems from the Sanchez love afair you have, and how bitter you have been since we passed on him, and got Cassel.

Pull his balls out of your mouth. He's going to amount to JACK.

OnTheWarpath15 12-16-2009 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs (Post 6352225)
How can you call Sanchez a bust when you sit here and say we all need to have patience with the shit in Kansas City?

5th year vets deserve more patience than rookies.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6352231)
You're ****ing dumb.

Plain and simple.

Smokin' crack again?

Obviously because of what I said about Sanchez.

This place along with you would have lost their ****in mind if we would have taken any of those guys with the #3 overall.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6352236)
5th year vets deserve more patience than rookies.

I've got no love for Cassel.
I think He'll make a great back up to whomever we get.

beach tribe 12-16-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6352227)
Oh, this is just complete and utter ****ing BULLSHIT.

Atlanta was 3-13 the year prior. Denver was 8-8, traded their QB and had issues with Marshall AND a poor defense.

You look more foolish with each and every post.

I thought you were leaving forever because of the "hate farm" around here?

WTF happened?

I just can't get enough of watching you lose your cool.

OnTheWarpath15 12-16-2009 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 6352239)
Obviously because of what I said about Sanchez.

This place along with you would have lost their ****in mind if we would have taken any of those guys with the #3 overall.

Possibly.

And we'd probably be eating crow right now, happy we acquired a playmaker with the 3rd overall pick instead of a goddamn complimentary player.

tooge 12-16-2009 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6352199)
So, if he does all those things, all is forgiven?

Personally, I'd be asking, "why didn't that happen LAST year?"

A wasted year is a wasted year, regardless of what happens in the future.

What we all expected to be at least a 2-3 year rebuild has just turned to a 3-4 year because we've done nothing but spin our wheels in Year One.

Have you ever heard the phrase "dont look a gift horse in the mouth?" You are killin me here. If Pioli does all those things and we are looking at a possible playoff chase, you should somply be happy we are headed in the right direction and realizing that maybe he knew what he was doing the year before by evaluating what he had. I guess we aren't gonna agree on this one. I hope I am right, or, I hope Pioli is right.


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