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Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9495557)
And he wasn't even that old.


Bottom line, Pats will not over pay for old players unless they are HOF talents (Randy Moss says "**** yeah bitches") but even Randy didn't get overpaid.

I get all that and they've played the game well to avoid cap issues... but, they're rolling dice with Danny. Dude has missed 20 games in the last 2 seasons thanks to injury. There are 'similarities' between him and Welker, but that's about it right now.

Seems like a gamble they could have avoided to me considering how many years Brady likely has left and the price paid for Danny, compared to Wes.

SAUTO 03-14-2013 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wobet selur (Post 9496309)
As opposed to all the rings Chief's players have?? Your post is idiotic.

Follow along dumbass
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Amnorix 03-14-2013 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ponderception (Post 9495805)
Is it like a baseball hat or one of those western big hats?


Well, it's kinda girly to be honest...

http://prettycoolcakes.com/images/Hat-Cake.jpg

Amnorix 03-14-2013 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 9496509)
Seems like a gamble they could have avoided to me considering how many years Brady likely has left and the price paid for Danny, compared to Wes.


Boston sports talk radio is basically taking this position, which certainly does make alot of sense.

Seems like the right answer here is resign Wes for 2-3 years and try to find a bigger outside WR threat to better complement the rest of our talent, not to roll the dice by getting younger but more injury prone...

I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't think I favor this move. I'm not sure that the drops don't have something to do with it. They have to have started wearing on BB.

Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 9496534)
Boston sports talk radio is basically taking this position, which certainly does make alot of sense.

Seems like the right answer here is resign Wes for 2-3 years and try to find a bigger outside WR threat to better complement the rest of our talent, not to roll the dice by getting younger but more injury prone...

I'll be glad to be proven wrong, but I don't think I favor this move. I'm not sure that the drops don't have something to do with it. They have to have started wearing on BB.

I looked briefly yesterday and couldn't find it, but what were the drop #s the last 3 seasons? Is there a link that compares WRs on targets, catches and drops?

Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 06:30 AM

I did find this ... rejoice all you haters of Denver. The Broncos now have 3 of the guys that were in the top 7 of this vaunted category in 2012. Call me crazy, but I'll take the risk with this trio and Manning.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ide-receivers/

They also have this 3-year data that was posted in 2012, so I believe this is 2009-2011 data.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ide-receivers/

So, if I read this right ... from 2009-2011, Welker was #2 in drops (32) behind Marshall (35) and just ahead of White (30).

2009-2012 Welker had:

Targets: 605
Catchable: 496 (not sure how they create that stat)
Receptions: 449
Drops: 47
Yards: 5,119
TDs: 26

Drops 7.7% of the Targets
Drops 9.4% of the Catchable Targets

Through 4 seasons ... that's not incredibly too concerning for me. Some always remember the clutch drops, but quickly forget the amazing catches that he did make. So, when I look at the drops - yes, they're high, but so is everything else in the stats category. Throw 10 nice passes to him, he'll catch 9 of them... sign me up for all that.

The other thing is this - they really relied on Welker more than they should have due to injuries to other players or lack of options in the ground game. So, there was more pressure on him to produce and be the man than there should have been at times, in my opinion.

And, he is certainly worth the 2 Year $12M investment in my opinion.

Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 06:57 AM

And, the Titans owner probably really hates Elway right now... they made the bigger offer to Peyton last year and Welker this year. Oh well.

notorious 03-14-2013 07:30 AM

:hmmm:

Brady just signed a contract for less money. Did he do it to open up money for Welker, only to be stabbed in the back?


This smells bad. LMAO

Rasputin 03-14-2013 07:33 AM

It would be worth the money to pay Wes Welker what ever money he wants just to cock block Peyton Manning and Horseface from getting him.

Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo (Post 9496609)
It would be worth the money to pay Wes Welker what ever money he wants just to cock block Peyton Manning and Horseface from getting him.

Yeah, but they now have 3 guys (Danny, Gronk and Hernandez) that combined for 45 missed starts in the last 2 regular seasons... it's all good though.

Is Lloyd a FA this year? You'd think they would bring him back, but he kinda got lost in the mix last year... but 74 rec / 994 yds wasn't bad.

Chiefshrink 03-14-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 9493409)
Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker has agreed to terms with Denver Broncos.



Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter

Wes Welker lands a two-year, $12 million deal from the Broncos. Demaryius Thomas, Eric Decker, Wes Welker. Have fun, Peyton.

If Geno is not chosen and we end up trading down and then take Tavon Austin then you will hear a big "ohhhhhhhhhh sh********* ! coming from Denver and all the Welker talk gets quieter. Not worried in the least:thumb:

I mean if we can trade down and we do not take Geno we best take the most immediate playmaker on the board that can PUT UP NOW ! And that is Austin !! He is a mini Percy Harvin that is football tough unlike Harvin:thumb:

Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 9496697)
If Geno is not chosen and we end up trading down and then take Tavon Austin then you will hear a big "ohhhhhhhhhh sh********* ! coming from Denver and all the Welker talk gets quieter. Not worried in the least:thumb:

I mean if we can trade down and we do not take Geno we best take the most immediate playmaker on the board that can PUT UP NOW ! And that is Austin !! He is a mini Percy Harvin that is football tough unlike Harvin:thumb:

:spock:

Mile High Mania 03-14-2013 04:36 PM

Figured I'd bump this with all the talk about the new look secondary in KC... should be a few nice battles this season between the teams.

Here's another nugget that I found regarding Welker and something to help counter the talk about "drops". Let the games begin! In the NFL world of pass happy and WR friendly rules ... bring on your multi-million dollar gaggle of new DBs. :p

This past season, 72 of Welker's 118 receptions went for first downs — a staggering 61 percent. Over the past three seasons, no receiver in the league had more yards after the catch than Welker — just more than 1,800 yards worth of work once he had the ball in his hands.


SAUTO 03-20-2013 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9493930)
Except they agreed to restructure that contract already, and the offer has already been offered to Welker as of right now, likely going to be a 3 year 21-27 million offer.


I can also confirm that not only will we (the chiefs) pickup another CB by the end of this frenzy, but I can give you the list of who they want in order.

1. Sean Smith
2. DRC
3. Talib
4. Nnamdi
5. Cason

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Originally Posted by Exoter175 (Post 9493949)
I don't know the specifics of the offer yet, but I don't think he'll walk away from New England unless the offer was right around 7.5-8 per year or higher, and he's too good to get an offer shorter than 3 years.

I've heard a ton of rumors today, probably ones you haven't, but it'll all be the same.

I think overall Amendola was pegged to fill in for Wes Welker if he moved out, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats tossed a tiny contract at Julian Edelman to keep him, Danny doesn't go to the Pats, and signs a new contract with the Rams.

Edit: as for dumervil, it is still in talks but the financing for the most part is done.

Here you go douche. Where are the qualifiers?

listopencil 03-20-2013 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 9517338)
Here you go douche. Where are the qualifiers?

Stop it or he's going to delete his Twitter.


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